I am absolutely livid that Apple doesn't offer a sanctioned downgrade path back to iOS3.
I also experienced the slowdown disaster - it became so bad that I missed about 70% of my incoming calls. Imagine trying to swipe the slider that is utterly unresponsive, while you see an important client calling through - repeatedly.
To make matters worse, it also killed my WiFi.
I'm in the same boat as Landnsea - I'm locked into a contract without an upgrade available in the near future.
As added salt in the wound, when I took it to the local Genius Bar, my support tech's response was simply "Wow, that's the worst I've seen yet." Yet he refused to downgrade it to iOS3. The store manager also refused to fix it, but graciously offered me a new 3G replacement - running iOS3!! wtf??!?! - for $300.
%^&$ that.
In the end, I opted for the total reset and lost ALL of my application data. The phone's performance is acceptable once more, but I'm beyond furious.
This really feels personal, because I'm a loyal Apple user with SEVEN macs - including two mac pros and 3 MBP's - between my home and business. I've literally personally converted at least 20 people into mac users over the last 15 or so years, but suffice it to say, my next phone is certainly not going to be an iPhone.
Instead, I find myself on a rabid anti-Apple crusade for the first time since using a mac in 1991. Between this shit experience and the antenna/proximity sensor issues of the new hardware, I'm waging a grass-roots campaign and warning potential buyers off of Apple's celphones. I've already convinced three people not to buy.
Clean up your act Apple. You've gone from one of the best, to going straight into the toilet.
I did find that if I leave 2 to 3 GB free on the phone it is better. It is not nearly as good as iOS 3 but at least the phone is generally useable
I haven't had a performance difference between a full and empty iOS device. Since they don't use vRAM and I assume the OS is partitioned anyway what would be the reason media storage free space on NAND would help with performance?
It's obvious the 3G isn't a priority anymore at Apple.
I've been through a number of firmware updates on my 3G, enough to know that it'll often make it slower, so I decided to wait on 4.0 and I'm glad I did based on what I'm hearing.
Even on 3.1.3 the notes app and SMS app have never been fast, but over time they've slowed and slowed. Rebooting (hard and soft) sometimes helps, but it eventually slows back down again. Probably a limitation of the technology available at the time, the 3G is just not what it used to be on any OS, and I wonder if it'll happen to the 3GS in a year as well.
I'm sure Apple felt obligated to update the 3G since it is still a relatively new phone, and don't want to be encumbered by old hardware, but they could've done a better job.
my wife and I both have the 3g, but not for long...
Sorry Apple we aren't upgrading to a flawed designed iphone 4 either...
what are we doing?
We are going to T-mobile!
Why?
Because I have an iPad wifi, and hardly use the internet on my iphone anymore AND I don't want another 2 yr contract with AT&T!
Why T-mobile?
I bought two Motorola E8's used off ebay for $70 for both, and we are going on a MONTH to MONTH plan! unlimited minutes for $79. Our iPhone bill was $191!!!
It's a phone period, all we need it to do is make calls, not surf the internet incredibly slowly, or crash, or anything else.
I'm sure I can find something else to do with the extra $100+ a month!
Yes, I'll keep my 3 other household Macs, yes I still love Apple, but until they come out with something better (or even Android does) for a reasonable amount of money monthly... who needs the headaches?
my wife and I both have the 3g, but not for long...
Sorry Apple we aren't upgrading to a flawed designed iphone 4 either...
what are we doing?
We are going to T-mobile!
Why?
Because I have an iPad wifi, and hardly use the internet on my iphone anymore AND I don't want another 2 yr contract with AT&T!
Why T-mobile?
I bought two Motorola E8's used off ebay for $70 for both, and we are going on a MONTH to MONTH plan! unlimited minutes for $79. Our iPhone bill was $191!!!
It's a phone period, all we need it to do is make calls, not surf the internet incredibly slowly, or crash, or anything else.
I'm sure I can find something else to do with the extra $100+ a month!
Yes, I'll keep my 3 other household Macs, yes I still love Apple, but until they come out with something better (or even Android does) for a reasonable amount of money monthly... who needs the headaches?
I have a 3g and will upgrade to the ip4 the moment my contracts let me. I love my iPhone. But there is nothing wrong with being pragmatic and facing up to the realities. Some people use their iPhones for calls only in which case I personally would buy a something smaller and cheaper.
Hopefully this issue also makes Apple aware that they need a proper downgrade process in place, but I doubt it.
Yes, but I'd rather they fixed ios4. Not because I need multitasking and folders, but because I can't upgrade mM calendar unless I run ios4.
On a different note - do people here actively use multitasking? Or do you just forget that its there and occasionally spend a minute or two closing apps? Whenever I use my wife's 3gs I don't really notice any difference.
I have both a 3G phone and a 2G iPod that have felt the effects of updating. I find it interesting how all the Mac news sites (AI included) waited until the WSJ did a report to mention anything. I've seen lots of antenna stories in the past month, but nothing about a lot of users with debilitated devices.
I suspect that a great deal of unhappy upgraders are tinkerers, jailbreakers and the like, or just plain smart-ass know-it-alls too "knowledgeable" to follow simple instructions and exercise a little patience during crucial processes like OS upgrades.
Yes, but I'd rather they fixed ios4. Not because I need multitasking and folders, but because I can't upgrade mM calendar unless I run ios4.
I didn?t state it, but I meant it be above and beyond fixing iOS 4.0 on the 3G.
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On a different note - do people here actively use multitasking?
I do. Besides the staples of the Phone, Safari, Mail, and iPod apps I recently purchased TomTom. I didn?t see the need when it first came out but with the new multitasking APIs it allows me to run everything else while still getting directions that come in over faded music even when not in the app. The arrow in the Menu Bar shows me that an app is currently using the GPS.
The beauty of Apple?s setup is that items aren?t simply running in the background if they are built right. They do what they need to do and then close, and I think it?s only the needed processes that are running.
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Or do you just forget that its there and occasionally spend a minute or two closing apps? Whenever I use my wife's 3gs I don't really notice any difference.
Based on the first sentence I would say you think that the double-tapping of the Home Button shows you all the apps (4 at a time) currently running in the background. This is not the case. This is simply the Fast App Switcher that lets you get back to your most recently used app in chronological order going left to right.
One or more of these app might still have a process or processes running but chances are there is not. You can verify this system apps function by restarting your iPhone and then going back into Fast App Switching. All the apps you had in there previously will still be there in the same order before you power cycled.
Three thingsI I wish that Apple would do with to make the double-tap more friendly:
Add a badge to the apps in Fast App Switching (and on the Home Screen) that indicate that a process is still running
Allow the icons in Fast App Switching to slide into view in portrait mode.
Bring consistency back to the iPod controller in iOS 4.0. When the screen is locked and you double-tap the Home Button the controller is on top, like it?s always been, but if you are in the phone in any way you not only have to do the first initial steps to access the iPod controls but also have extra steps to take. You double-tap the Home Button and then slide the icons to the right to reveal a crammed iPod controls that are at the base of the display instead of toward the top and spread out in a way that is easy to access quickly, accurately and naturally.
PS: Some may not have noticed that the new audio background process allows apps to use the native iPod controls you can access outside the iPod app. For example, if you access Fast App Switching and then swipe to the right you?ll see the icon for your preferred 3rd-party audio player, not the iPod and be able to control it from there. That I like!
I want to express my disappointment as well. Besides the slowness, short battery life, and overheating, I found that a few of my favorite games and apps would shut down abruptly in between processes or while switching stages, etc. My Papago! GPS navigation app is also useless too because it's too slow. I'm getting the iPhone 4 if it would solve this problem, but it won't be available in my country for at least another 3-4 months... I very angry that I can't do anything and have to continue to bare to use my once-favorite iPhone for that long. Apple needs to fix this problem quick!
I haven't had a performance difference between a full and empty iOS device. Since they don't use vRAM and I assume the OS is partitioned anyway what would be the reason media storage free space on NAND would help with performance?
I dont understand it either, but the slowness and lag have lessened, and it is particularly noticeable when typing (e.g., texting).
Sorry Apple we aren't upgrading to a flawed designed iphone 4 either...
How do you know it's flawed? A bunch of online hyperbole?
You can get an iPhone 4 risk free for 30 days right now. No costs to cancel, return or break contract. Seems silly to abandon a platform you like because of a bunch of nonsensical ranting on the internet.
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Yes, I'll keep my 3 other household Macs, yes I still love Apple, but until they come out with something better (or even Android does) for a reasonable amount of money monthly... who needs the headaches?
I'm curious, what do you think the cheapest plan for the iPhone is? How much a month?
The whole iOS 4/iPhone 4.0 is Apple's Vista. Apple should have NEVER allowed the 3G to updrade to the iOS 4.
Not.
iOS4 is functioning on my 3G and I intend to keep it. One has to realize the 3G's 128Mb of RAM is a significantly-limiting factor, so like those running a PC with limited RAM, rebooting more often helps to "clear things out". Thus I shut my iPhone down at least every other night and usually nightly so it's freshly booted each morning. Doing that, it works just fine. Oh, did I mention it's jailbroken too? So not only does it work, it multitasks. I'm quite happy with iOS4 and it works well enough on my 3G that I've delayed ordering an iPhone 4. Yes, it's that good.
Some "EPIC FAIL". I suggest the fail is your post.
iOS4 is functioning on my 3G and I intend to keep it. One has to realize the 3G's 128Mb of RAM is a significantly-limiting factor, so like those running a PC with limited RAM, rebooting more often helps to "clear things out". Thus I shut my iPhone down at least every other night and usually nightly so it's freshly booted each morning. Doing that, it works just fine. Oh, did I mention it's jailbroken too? So not only does it work, it multitasks. I'm quite happy with iOS4 and it works well enough on my 3G that I've delayed ordering an iPhone 4. Yes, it's that good.
Some "EPIC FAIL". I suggest the fail is your post.
Here is the thing though - Apple said that the 3G could not take full advantage of some aspects of iOS 4 because of the hardware limitations (e.g., multi-tasking). I knew that, and fully accepted that, as I was really only looking for folders and a unified inbox. However, by making that statement and putting those constraints on the iOS, the clear implication is that everything else will be fine, and that the iOS would run fine.
It does not apparently run fine on quite a few 3G iPhones, and this is a problem.
I am absolutely livid that Apple doesn't offer a sanctioned downgrade path back to iOS3.
I also experienced the slowdown disaster - it became so bad that I missed about 70% of my incoming calls. Imagine trying to swipe the slider that is utterly unresponsive, while you see an important client calling through - repeatedly.
To make matters worse, it also killed my WiFi.
I'm in the same boat as Landnsea - I'm locked into a contract without an upgrade available in the near future.
As added salt in the wound, when I took it to the local Genius Bar, my support tech's response was simply "Wow, that's the worst I've seen yet." Yet he refused to downgrade it to iOS3. The store manager also refused to fix it, but graciously offered me a new 3G replacement - running iOS3!! wtf??!?! - for $300.
%^&$ that.
In the end, I opted for the total reset and lost ALL of my application data. The phone's performance is acceptable once more, but I'm beyond furious.
This really feels personal, because I'm a loyal Apple user with SEVEN macs - including two mac pros and 3 MBP's - between my home and business. I've literally personally converted at least 20 people into mac users over the last 15 or so years, but suffice it to say, my next phone is certainly not going to be an iPhone.
Instead, I find myself on a rabid anti-Apple crusade for the first time since using a mac in 1991. Between this shit experience and the antenna/proximity sensor issues of the new hardware, I'm waging a grass-roots campaign and warning potential buyers off of Apple's celphones. I've already convinced three people not to buy.
Clean up your act Apple. You've gone from one of the best, to going straight into the toilet.
You should email this to Steve Jobs.
Edit: For anyone who wants to speed up their 3G and doesn't mind jailbreaking, take a look at this link.
Woohoo! I have encountered both the performance issue and the battery lasting less than a day even on standby issue. I hope they work it out. I would actually be fine with just an "official" OS 3 downgrade path, but fixed OS 4 would be good too.
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Just google it. I downgraded my 3g successfully after the ios4 upgrade slowed it to a painful crawl.
Hopefully this issue also makes Apple aware that they need a proper downgrade process in place, but I doubt it.
I also experienced the slowdown disaster - it became so bad that I missed about 70% of my incoming calls. Imagine trying to swipe the slider that is utterly unresponsive, while you see an important client calling through - repeatedly.
To make matters worse, it also killed my WiFi.
I'm in the same boat as Landnsea - I'm locked into a contract without an upgrade available in the near future.
As added salt in the wound, when I took it to the local Genius Bar, my support tech's response was simply "Wow, that's the worst I've seen yet."
%^&$ that.
In the end, I opted for the total reset and lost ALL of my application data. The phone's performance is acceptable once more, but I'm beyond furious.
This really feels personal, because I'm a loyal Apple user with SEVEN macs - including two mac pros and 3 MBP's - between my home and business. I've literally personally converted at least 20 people into mac users over the last 15 or so years, but suffice it to say, my next phone is certainly not going to be an iPhone.
Instead, I find myself on a rabid anti-Apple crusade for the first time since using a mac in 1991. Between this shit experience and the antenna/proximity sensor issues of the new hardware, I'm waging a grass-roots campaign and warning potential buyers off of Apple's celphones. I've already convinced three people not to buy.
Clean up your act Apple. You've gone from one of the best, to going straight into the toilet.
Same here. On the 3G a major disappointment, on the 3GS couldn't be happier.
I did find that if I leave 2 to 3 GB free on the phone it is better. It is not nearly as good as iOS 3 but at least the phone is generally useable
I did find that if I leave 2 to 3 GB free on the phone it is better. It is not nearly as good as iOS 3 but at least the phone is generally useable
I haven't had a performance difference between a full and empty iOS device. Since they don't use vRAM and I assume the OS is partitioned anyway what would be the reason media storage free space on NAND would help with performance?
I've been through a number of firmware updates on my 3G, enough to know that it'll often make it slower, so I decided to wait on 4.0 and I'm glad I did based on what I'm hearing.
Even on 3.1.3 the notes app and SMS app have never been fast, but over time they've slowed and slowed. Rebooting (hard and soft) sometimes helps, but it eventually slows back down again. Probably a limitation of the technology available at the time, the 3G is just not what it used to be on any OS, and I wonder if it'll happen to the 3GS in a year as well.
I'm sure Apple felt obligated to update the 3G since it is still a relatively new phone, and don't want to be encumbered by old hardware, but they could've done a better job.
Sorry Apple we aren't upgrading to a flawed designed iphone 4 either...
what are we doing?
We are going to T-mobile!
Why?
Because I have an iPad wifi, and hardly use the internet on my iphone anymore AND I don't want another 2 yr contract with AT&T!
Why T-mobile?
I bought two Motorola E8's used off ebay for $70 for both, and we are going on a MONTH to MONTH plan! unlimited minutes for $79. Our iPhone bill was $191!!!
It's a phone period, all we need it to do is make calls, not surf the internet incredibly slowly, or crash, or anything else.
I'm sure I can find something else to do with the extra $100+ a month!
Yes, I'll keep my 3 other household Macs, yes I still love Apple, but until they come out with something better (or even Android does) for a reasonable amount of money monthly... who needs the headaches?
my wife and I both have the 3g, but not for long...
Sorry Apple we aren't upgrading to a flawed designed iphone 4 either...
what are we doing?
We are going to T-mobile!
Why?
Because I have an iPad wifi, and hardly use the internet on my iphone anymore AND I don't want another 2 yr contract with AT&T!
Why T-mobile?
I bought two Motorola E8's used off ebay for $70 for both, and we are going on a MONTH to MONTH plan! unlimited minutes for $79. Our iPhone bill was $191!!!
It's a phone period, all we need it to do is make calls, not surf the internet incredibly slowly, or crash, or anything else.
I'm sure I can find something else to do with the extra $100+ a month!
Yes, I'll keep my 3 other household Macs, yes I still love Apple, but until they come out with something better (or even Android does) for a reasonable amount of money monthly... who needs the headaches?
I have a 3g and will upgrade to the ip4 the moment my contracts let me. I love my iPhone. But there is nothing wrong with being pragmatic and facing up to the realities. Some people use their iPhones for calls only in which case I personally would buy a something smaller and cheaper.
Hopefully this issue also makes Apple aware that they need a proper downgrade process in place, but I doubt it.
Yes, but I'd rather they fixed ios4. Not because I need multitasking and folders, but because I can't upgrade mM calendar unless I run ios4.
On a different note - do people here actively use multitasking? Or do you just forget that its there and occasionally spend a minute or two closing apps? Whenever I use my wife's 3gs I don't really notice any difference.
I suspect that a great deal of unhappy upgraders are tinkerers, jailbreakers and the like, or just plain smart-ass know-it-alls too "knowledgeable" to follow simple instructions and exercise a little patience during crucial processes like OS upgrades.
Damn, talk about a "sweeping a generalisation"!
Yes, but I'd rather they fixed ios4. Not because I need multitasking and folders, but because I can't upgrade mM calendar unless I run ios4.
I didn?t state it, but I meant it be above and beyond fixing iOS 4.0 on the 3G.
On a different note - do people here actively use multitasking?
I do. Besides the staples of the Phone, Safari, Mail, and iPod apps I recently purchased TomTom. I didn?t see the need when it first came out but with the new multitasking APIs it allows me to run everything else while still getting directions that come in over faded music even when not in the app. The arrow in the Menu Bar shows me that an app is currently using the GPS.
The beauty of Apple?s setup is that items aren?t simply running in the background if they are built right. They do what they need to do and then close, and I think it?s only the needed processes that are running.
Or do you just forget that its there and occasionally spend a minute or two closing apps? Whenever I use my wife's 3gs I don't really notice any difference.
Based on the first sentence I would say you think that the double-tapping of the Home Button shows you all the apps (4 at a time) currently running in the background. This is not the case. This is simply the Fast App Switcher that lets you get back to your most recently used app in chronological order going left to right.
One or more of these app might still have a process or processes running but chances are there is not. You can verify this system apps function by restarting your iPhone and then going back into Fast App Switching. All the apps you had in there previously will still be there in the same order before you power cycled.
Three thingsI I wish that Apple would do with to make the double-tap more friendly:
- Add a badge to the apps in Fast App Switching (and on the Home Screen) that indicate that a process is still running
- Allow the icons in Fast App Switching to slide into view in portrait mode.
- Bring consistency back to the iPod controller in iOS 4.0. When the screen is locked and you double-tap the Home Button the controller is on top, like it?s always been, but if you are in the phone in any way you not only have to do the first initial steps to access the iPod controls but also have extra steps to take. You double-tap the Home Button and then slide the icons to the right to reveal a crammed iPod controls that are at the base of the display instead of toward the top and spread out in a way that is easy to access quickly, accurately and naturally.
PS: Some may not have noticed that the new audio background process allows apps to use the native iPod controls you can access outside the iPod app. For example, if you access Fast App Switching and then swipe to the right you?ll see the icon for your preferred 3rd-party audio player, not the iPod and be able to control it from there. That I like!I haven't had a performance difference between a full and empty iOS device. Since they don't use vRAM and I assume the OS is partitioned anyway what would be the reason media storage free space on NAND would help with performance?
I dont understand it either, but the slowness and lag have lessened, and it is particularly noticeable when typing (e.g., texting).
In the end, I opted for the total reset and lost ALL of my application data. The phone's performance is acceptable once more, but I'm beyond furious.
Why didn't your backup restore?
IOS4 does not work well on iphone 3g. slow and power draining faster...
I found a solution in the comments at another site.
Go to settings/general/home button/ spotlight search. uncheck all of the options, then restart your phone.
I tried it and it worked! performance was almost back to pre iOS4 levels, even after I rechecked most of the spotlight items.
I recommend trying this before doing anything more radical.
Sorry Apple we aren't upgrading to a flawed designed iphone 4 either...
How do you know it's flawed? A bunch of online hyperbole?
You can get an iPhone 4 risk free for 30 days right now. No costs to cancel, return or break contract. Seems silly to abandon a platform you like because of a bunch of nonsensical ranting on the internet.
Yes, I'll keep my 3 other household Macs, yes I still love Apple, but until they come out with something better (or even Android does) for a reasonable amount of money monthly... who needs the headaches?
I'm curious, what do you think the cheapest plan for the iPhone is? How much a month?
iPhone 3G + iOS 4 = EPIC FAIL
The whole iOS 4/iPhone 4.0 is Apple's Vista. Apple should have NEVER allowed the 3G to updrade to the iOS 4.
Not.
iOS4 is functioning on my 3G and I intend to keep it. One has to realize the 3G's 128Mb of RAM is a significantly-limiting factor, so like those running a PC with limited RAM, rebooting more often helps to "clear things out". Thus I shut my iPhone down at least every other night and usually nightly so it's freshly booted each morning. Doing that, it works just fine. Oh, did I mention it's jailbroken too? So not only does it work, it multitasks. I'm quite happy with iOS4 and it works well enough on my 3G that I've delayed ordering an iPhone 4. Yes, it's that good.
Some "EPIC FAIL". I suggest the fail is your post.
Not.
iOS4 is functioning on my 3G and I intend to keep it. One has to realize the 3G's 128Mb of RAM is a significantly-limiting factor, so like those running a PC with limited RAM, rebooting more often helps to "clear things out". Thus I shut my iPhone down at least every other night and usually nightly so it's freshly booted each morning. Doing that, it works just fine. Oh, did I mention it's jailbroken too? So not only does it work, it multitasks. I'm quite happy with iOS4 and it works well enough on my 3G that I've delayed ordering an iPhone 4. Yes, it's that good.
Some "EPIC FAIL". I suggest the fail is your post.
Here is the thing though - Apple said that the 3G could not take full advantage of some aspects of iOS 4 because of the hardware limitations (e.g., multi-tasking). I knew that, and fully accepted that, as I was really only looking for folders and a unified inbox. However, by making that statement and putting those constraints on the iOS, the clear implication is that everything else will be fine, and that the iOS would run fine.
It does not apparently run fine on quite a few 3G iPhones, and this is a problem.
I am absolutely livid that Apple doesn't offer a sanctioned downgrade path back to iOS3.
I also experienced the slowdown disaster - it became so bad that I missed about 70% of my incoming calls. Imagine trying to swipe the slider that is utterly unresponsive, while you see an important client calling through - repeatedly.
To make matters worse, it also killed my WiFi.
I'm in the same boat as Landnsea - I'm locked into a contract without an upgrade available in the near future.
As added salt in the wound, when I took it to the local Genius Bar, my support tech's response was simply "Wow, that's the worst I've seen yet."
%^&$ that.
In the end, I opted for the total reset and lost ALL of my application data. The phone's performance is acceptable once more, but I'm beyond furious.
This really feels personal, because I'm a loyal Apple user with SEVEN macs - including two mac pros and 3 MBP's - between my home and business. I've literally personally converted at least 20 people into mac users over the last 15 or so years, but suffice it to say, my next phone is certainly not going to be an iPhone.
Instead, I find myself on a rabid anti-Apple crusade for the first time since using a mac in 1991. Between this shit experience and the antenna/proximity sensor issues of the new hardware, I'm waging a grass-roots campaign and warning potential buyers off of Apple's celphones. I've already convinced three people not to buy.
Clean up your act Apple. You've gone from one of the best, to going straight into the toilet.
You should email this to Steve Jobs.
Edit: For anyone who wants to speed up their 3G and doesn't mind jailbreaking, take a look at this link.
http://modmyi.com/forums/file-mods/6...h-daemons.html
I did this for my iPhone 2G on 3.1.2 and it really helped a lot.