It's just been released here in my country too .. not Norway but on the list. We've got good networks and it's a non issue. Everyone I know has been trying it out in stores, at home, at work and there's been no problems. The antenna responds to touch but the main observation is the iP4 has better reception overall, holding and making more calls than it's predecessor.
Unless AT&T step it up, Apple may almost be tempted to think twice about releasing the next iPhone first where the network is still a work-in-progress.
I love my iPhone since I got the first one in 2007. But I hate AT&T for keeping us hostage.
It is a known fact that US mobile carriers are always behind in everything. Internet is slow in US compared to other countries. If it was not for Apple, there will be no company in US to compete with Asians and Europeans in Mobile phone technology.
Americans are deceived into believing we are the best. The fact is that we are not. Only in America are mobile phone users charged at both ends of a phone call. In other countries, the originator of a call gets charged.
Americans are suckers to the media, which are just propaganda vehicle for corporations and the ruling elite. Yes, Norwegians are smarter. They are smart enough to provide free education and free healthcare. These alone say it all.
America is only best at war and destruction.
Got it... free stuff is always good, corporations are always bad.
That's the point. Its not that America's network sucks. Its that AT&T sucks. The evidence that Apple needs to move to other carriers in addition to AT&T keeps piling up.
shadash, it's all the carriers in the US suck - not just ATT, as witnessed by the mixed coverage reporting for all. The FCC washed their hands of any real control over development (unlike Europe, where they actually got together and tried to agree on something (well the French disagreed on principle at first, but they were coaxed into it) - which resulted in a carrier system where the carriers actually have a level playing field on which to compete, unlike the US where not only do they use different carrier technologies (GSM/CDMA) but they also use different frequency assignments (ATT/TMobile on GSM, Sprint/Nextel/Verizon on CDMA). The FCC refused to establish any reasonable standards and allowed everyone to build networks that were mutually incompatible.
This little 'proclamation' is all good and well, but given that it clearly states that, "Apple will launch the new iPhone 4 in Norway tomorrow", I find the timing rather interesting (to say the least).
Suggestion: Wait and see actual user/consumer reactions to the device before placing too much credence on publications that might possibly have an 'agenda' -
First of all, you do know that it is possible to move beyond the border of your own country, right? Maybe not all Americans are aware of this. As it is in Europe it is quite easy and in many cases short distances. Think of it as moving from one state to another if that helps ;-)
iPhone 4 has been out in the United Kingdom for about a month, separated from Norway by a relatively short distance of sea. They sell through several carriers, and even unlocked and not associated with any carriers. I personally know people that have travelled from Norway (where I live) to London on UK launch date to get an iPhone 4. Also there are a lot of grey market activity for new Apple products in Norway. At ridiculous prices, yes but people buy anyway. Thus there were several thousand iPhone 4's in Norway prior to official launch.
For journalists of the largest newspaper in Norway to get their hands on one is in no way a stretch.
And also, it is true. I was the one who sent this tip to AI
shadash, it's all the carriers in the US suck - not just ATT, as witnessed by the mixed coverage reporting for all. The FCC washed their hands of any real control over development (unlike Europe, where they actually got together and tried to agree on something (well the French disagreed on principle at first, but they were coaxed into it) - which resulted in a carrier system where the carriers actually have a level playing field on which to compete, unlike the US where not only do they use different carrier technologies (GSM/CDMA) but they also use different frequency assignments (ATT/TMobile on GSM, Sprint/Nextel/Verizon on CDMA). The FCC refused to establish any reasonable standards and allowed everyone to build networks that were mutually incompatible.
Plus there's also the general problem that it's widely accepted that the infrastructure in the US is basically crumbling. When US outsiders are saying everything is falling apart people should be annoyed about that rather than (in some threads) a complete denial of reality.
shadash, it's all the carriers in the US suck - not just ATT, as witnessed by the mixed coverage reporting for all. The FCC washed their hands of any real control over development (unlike Europe, where they actually got together and tried to agree on something (well the French disagreed on principle at first, but they were coaxed into it) - which resulted in a carrier system where the carriers actually have a level playing field on which to compete, unlike the US where not only do they use different carrier technologies (GSM/CDMA) but they also use different frequency assignments (ATT/TMobile on GSM, Sprint/Nextel/Verizon on CDMA). The FCC refused to establish any reasonable standards and allowed everyone to build networks that were mutually incompatible.
All European regulators have embraced the US-style technology neutral spectrum auction in the last 3-4 years. Right now, European regulators are deciding how to take back the 900 GSM spectrum and then auction it out again on technology neutral basis.
Take a look at the 3G expansion band auction --- by definition 3G expansion should be WCDMA/HSDPA/LTE only. Guess what European regulators decided to do technology neutral auctions.
If bureaucrats were able to figure out LTE vs. Wimax in 2007 --- they won't be in low paying government jobs, they would be silicon valley billionaires.
Level playing for carriers to gouge you --- that's the European system. Norway had the most outrageous iphone plan in 2008 --- the result of having 2 national carriers. France made all kinds of simlocking laws and killed the iphone exclusive --- the only problem is that all 3 French carriers were nailed for price fixing several years ago. Sure you can have the iphone on any carrier in France --- but all 3 carriers are going to screw you.
All European regulators have embraced the US-style technology neutral spectrum auction in the last 3-4 years. Right now, European regulators are deciding how to take back the 900 GSM spectrum and then auction it out again on technology neutral basis.
I highly doubt you checked all 50 European countries' regulators. They're not auctioning it off in Norway, and I see other European countries are expanding their GSM 900 allocations (Poland). I think you are wrong otherwise please provide some sources.
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Level playing for carriers to gouge you --- that's the European system. Norway had the most outrageous iphone plan in 2008 --- the result of having 2 national carriers. France made all kinds of simlocking laws and killed the iphone exclusive --- the only problem is that all 3 French carriers were nailed for price fixing several years ago. Sure you can have the iphone on any carrier in France --- but all 3 carriers are going to screw you.
Norway has three GSM networks and one CDMA. Telenor and Netcom have full 3G networks, NetworkNorway is upgrading their EDGE network to 3G, and finally ICE has a CDMA network using the old NMT-network frequencies.
Just to share some information with regards to 'Antennagate'.
In Singapore, iPhone 4 launched over midnight (00:00hrs) of 30th July. Singapore, together with Hong Kong are the 2nd country to launch in this 2nd round, after Australia (New Zealand launch delayed).
Over the past 3 days, thousands of iPhone 4 have been snapped up throughout Singapore via its 3 telcos - SingTel, M1 and StarHub.
In the most popular forum within the nation, there are very few reports of facing 'antennagate' issue while most are reporting either not a single drop of signal bars, or drop of 1-2 bars. Overall, most reported that even when dropped to a single signal bar, phone calls do not get drop and 3G data still functional.
In short, the situation in Singapore seems to mirror what's reported in Norway as well as Australia. iPhone 4's antennagate issue is almost non-existence or of insignificant concern as what the US media has hyped so much about.
That leads most to think - is it a telco problem all along and Apple (Steve Jobs) is just doing its largest business partner a flavor by covering it up or blurring the vision that it's AT&T network (Cell Infra) that's screwing US consumers?
A side note: Singapore is ranked among the cheapest Data Plan in a recent report/article that I came across.
That ranking was hardly accurate, they didn't adjust properly for currency values or relative incomes.
What would be interesting is how much people have to work to pay for their data plans. A high income country will have more "expensive" plans if you don't adjust them to reflect that.
One Euro is more "expensive" than a US Dollar, but only for people that don't get paid in Euros!
Just to share some information with regards to 'Antennagate'.
In Singapore, iPhone 4 launched over midnight (00:00hrs) of 30th July. Singapore, together with Hong Kong are the 2nd country to launch in this 2nd round, after Australia (New Zealand launch delayed).
Over the past 3 days, thousands of iPhone 4 have been snapped up throughout Singapore via its 3 telcos - SingTel, M1 and StarHub.
In the most popular forum within the nation, there are very few reports of facing 'antennagate' issue while most are reporting either not a single drop of signal bars, or drop of 1-2 bars. Overall, most reported that even when dropped to a single signal bar, phone calls do not get drop and 3G data still functional.
In short, the situation in Singapore seems to mirror what's reported in Norway as well as Australia. iPhone 4's antennagate issue is almost non-existence or of insignificant concern as what the US media has hyped so much about.
That leads most to think - is it a telco problem all along and Apple (Steve Jobs) is just doing its largest business partner a flavor by covering it up or blurring the vision that it's AT&T network (Cell Infra) that's screwing US consumers?
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Unless AT&T step it up, Apple may almost be tempted to think twice about releasing the next iPhone first where the network is still a work-in-progress.
I've seen and experienced the problem here in the United States. So the issue is real. We all agree AT&T sucks and Jobs admitted to the problem.
Because now you know your phone is still the very best in the business.
I love my iPhone since I got the first one in 2007. But I hate AT&T for keeping us hostage.
It is a known fact that US mobile carriers are always behind in everything. Internet is slow in US compared to other countries. If it was not for Apple, there will be no company in US to compete with Asians and Europeans in Mobile phone technology.
Americans are deceived into believing we are the best. The fact is that we are not. Only in America are mobile phone users charged at both ends of a phone call. In other countries, the originator of a call gets charged.
Americans are suckers to the media, which are just propaganda vehicle for corporations and the ruling elite. Yes, Norwegians are smarter. They are smart enough to provide free education and free healthcare. These alone say it all.
America is only best at war and destruction.
Got it... free stuff is always good, corporations are always bad.
[The Norwegian] roadways are amazing with some automobile tunnels through mountains that are over 23km long.
This might explain why they are more noted for their sprinters than climbers in cycling. If they made them go over the mountains, who knows...
That's the point. Its not that America's network sucks. Its that AT&T sucks. The evidence that Apple needs to move to other carriers in addition to AT&T keeps piling up.
shadash, it's all the carriers in the US suck - not just ATT, as witnessed by the mixed coverage reporting for all. The FCC washed their hands of any real control over development (unlike Europe, where they actually got together and tried to agree on something (well the French disagreed on principle at first, but they were coaxed into it) - which resulted in a carrier system where the carriers actually have a level playing field on which to compete, unlike the US where not only do they use different carrier technologies (GSM/CDMA) but they also use different frequency assignments (ATT/TMobile on GSM, Sprint/Nextel/Verizon on CDMA). The FCC refused to establish any reasonable standards and allowed everyone to build networks that were mutually incompatible.
This little 'proclamation' is all good and well, but given that it clearly states that, "Apple will launch the new iPhone 4 in Norway tomorrow", I find the timing rather interesting (to say the least).
Suggestion: Wait and see actual user/consumer reactions to the device before placing too much credence on publications that might possibly have an 'agenda' -
First of all, you do know that it is possible to move beyond the border of your own country, right? Maybe not all Americans are aware of this. As it is in Europe it is quite easy and in many cases short distances. Think of it as moving from one state to another if that helps ;-)
iPhone 4 has been out in the United Kingdom for about a month, separated from Norway by a relatively short distance of sea. They sell through several carriers, and even unlocked and not associated with any carriers. I personally know people that have travelled from Norway (where I live) to London on UK launch date to get an iPhone 4. Also there are a lot of grey market activity for new Apple products in Norway. At ridiculous prices, yes but people buy anyway. Thus there were several thousand iPhone 4's in Norway prior to official launch.
For journalists of the largest newspaper in Norway to get their hands on one is in no way a stretch.
And also, it is true. I was the one who sent this tip to AI
shadash, it's all the carriers in the US suck - not just ATT, as witnessed by the mixed coverage reporting for all. The FCC washed their hands of any real control over development (unlike Europe, where they actually got together and tried to agree on something (well the French disagreed on principle at first, but they were coaxed into it) - which resulted in a carrier system where the carriers actually have a level playing field on which to compete, unlike the US where not only do they use different carrier technologies (GSM/CDMA) but they also use different frequency assignments (ATT/TMobile on GSM, Sprint/Nextel/Verizon on CDMA). The FCC refused to establish any reasonable standards and allowed everyone to build networks that were mutually incompatible.
Plus there's also the general problem that it's widely accepted that the infrastructure in the US is basically crumbling. When US outsiders are saying everything is falling apart people should be annoyed about that rather than (in some threads) a complete denial of reality.
shadash, it's all the carriers in the US suck - not just ATT, as witnessed by the mixed coverage reporting for all. The FCC washed their hands of any real control over development (unlike Europe, where they actually got together and tried to agree on something (well the French disagreed on principle at first, but they were coaxed into it) - which resulted in a carrier system where the carriers actually have a level playing field on which to compete, unlike the US where not only do they use different carrier technologies (GSM/CDMA) but they also use different frequency assignments (ATT/TMobile on GSM, Sprint/Nextel/Verizon on CDMA). The FCC refused to establish any reasonable standards and allowed everyone to build networks that were mutually incompatible.
All European regulators have embraced the US-style technology neutral spectrum auction in the last 3-4 years. Right now, European regulators are deciding how to take back the 900 GSM spectrum and then auction it out again on technology neutral basis.
Take a look at the 3G expansion band auction --- by definition 3G expansion should be WCDMA/HSDPA/LTE only. Guess what European regulators decided to do technology neutral auctions.
http://www.dailywireless.org/2007/05...pean-strategy/
If bureaucrats were able to figure out LTE vs. Wimax in 2007 --- they won't be in low paying government jobs, they would be silicon valley billionaires.
Level playing for carriers to gouge you --- that's the European system. Norway had the most outrageous iphone plan in 2008 --- the result of having 2 national carriers. France made all kinds of simlocking laws and killed the iphone exclusive --- the only problem is that all 3 French carriers were nailed for price fixing several years ago. Sure you can have the iphone on any carrier in France --- but all 3 carriers are going to screw you.
All European regulators have embraced the US-style technology neutral spectrum auction in the last 3-4 years. Right now, European regulators are deciding how to take back the 900 GSM spectrum and then auction it out again on technology neutral basis.
I highly doubt you checked all 50 European countries' regulators. They're not auctioning it off in Norway, and I see other European countries are expanding their GSM 900 allocations (Poland). I think you are wrong otherwise please provide some sources.
Level playing for carriers to gouge you --- that's the European system. Norway had the most outrageous iphone plan in 2008 --- the result of having 2 national carriers. France made all kinds of simlocking laws and killed the iphone exclusive --- the only problem is that all 3 French carriers were nailed for price fixing several years ago. Sure you can have the iphone on any carrier in France --- but all 3 carriers are going to screw you.
Norway has three GSM networks and one CDMA. Telenor and Netcom have full 3G networks, NetworkNorway is upgrading their EDGE network to 3G, and finally ICE has a CDMA network using the old NMT-network frequencies.
In Singapore, iPhone 4 launched over midnight (00:00hrs) of 30th July. Singapore, together with Hong Kong are the 2nd country to launch in this 2nd round, after Australia (New Zealand launch delayed).
Over the past 3 days, thousands of iPhone 4 have been snapped up throughout Singapore via its 3 telcos - SingTel, M1 and StarHub.
In the most popular forum within the nation, there are very few reports of facing 'antennagate' issue while most are reporting either not a single drop of signal bars, or drop of 1-2 bars. Overall, most reported that even when dropped to a single signal bar, phone calls do not get drop and 3G data still functional.
In short, the situation in Singapore seems to mirror what's reported in Norway as well as Australia. iPhone 4's antennagate issue is almost non-existence or of insignificant concern as what the US media has hyped so much about.
That leads most to think - is it a telco problem all along and Apple (Steve Jobs) is just doing its largest business partner a flavor by covering it up or blurring the vision that it's AT&T network (Cell Infra) that's screwing US consumers?
The most popular forum in Singapore is the HardwareZone forum.
It's now under maintenance but once it's up, just head over and take a look at all the postings about iPhone 4.
A side note: Singapore is ranked among the cheapest Data Plan in a recent report/article that I came across.
That ranking was hardly accurate, they didn't adjust properly for currency values or relative incomes.
What would be interesting is how much people have to work to pay for their data plans. A high income country will have more "expensive" plans if you don't adjust them to reflect that.
One Euro is more "expensive" than a US Dollar, but only for people that don't get paid in Euros!
Just to share some information with regards to 'Antennagate'.
In Singapore, iPhone 4 launched over midnight (00:00hrs) of 30th July. Singapore, together with Hong Kong are the 2nd country to launch in this 2nd round, after Australia (New Zealand launch delayed).
Over the past 3 days, thousands of iPhone 4 have been snapped up throughout Singapore via its 3 telcos - SingTel, M1 and StarHub.
In the most popular forum within the nation, there are very few reports of facing 'antennagate' issue while most are reporting either not a single drop of signal bars, or drop of 1-2 bars. Overall, most reported that even when dropped to a single signal bar, phone calls do not get drop and 3G data still functional.
In short, the situation in Singapore seems to mirror what's reported in Norway as well as Australia. iPhone 4's antennagate issue is almost non-existence or of insignificant concern as what the US media has hyped so much about.
That leads most to think - is it a telco problem all along and Apple (Steve Jobs) is just doing its largest business partner a flavor by covering it up or blurring the vision that it's AT&T network (Cell Infra) that's screwing US consumers?
interesting.... thanks for that!