News Corp considers news organization devoted to iPad, other tablets

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  • Reply 21 of 43
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
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    Originally Posted by addicted44 View Post


    You should read Gruber's take on this.



    Its quite clear Apple allows subscriptions (there are several apps doing subscription), but SI was doing something with linking the iTunes accounts, that Apple wasn't happy about.



    Unfortunately, its more muddied waters. Apple has full bases, and 0 outs. They need to fix their App Store policies and will get the walk-off grandslam.



    Unfortunately, they keep seeming to ignore the huge, and growing problem the App Store is.



    (I know a lot will say that its successful, but I would argue the App Store is successful despite itself. Mainly because the rest of the Apple eco-system is so strong (i.e. Hardware and ease of use).



    Based on what?



    I'm curious how people think that they can make simple, unsupported comments like that and think that they will be taken seriously.



    Apple has shown that the App Store works. Developers are making lots of money. Customers are happy (for the most part). The only problem is a bit of whining from lazy developers who don't care to meet Apple's rules.



    And as more problem with the Android app store appear (only a few million sets of private information sent to China, after all), Apple's decisions look better over time, not worse.
  • Reply 22 of 43
    chronsterchronster Posts: 1,894member
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    Originally Posted by Rot'nApple View Post


    NBC? Do you trust NBC? With the likes of Matt Lauer of the Today Show, or Ed Schultz, Keith Olbermann et al of MSNBC, NBC News like Chuck Todd or Brian Williams... NBC = Nose Brown Company because everywhere you look their news personalities have their head so far up Obama's Ass!



    Yeah, FOX Blows... that is blows the competition out of the water when it comes to a numbers game regarding ratings! From the Orlando Sentinel...



    Look everyone, yet another person to bring up msnbc as a means to defend Fox News.



    BTW, don't try to sell us on the validity of Fox News based on their numbers. That's such an idiotic argument. Fox News' propagandist bullshit is as clear as day. It's really sad how many people believe their nonsense.



    Also, calling the other news networks liberal is stupid as well (just sayin, because that's usually where this conversation goes.) Compared to Fox News, all news networks ARE liberal, but that's just because Fox is so far right.
  • Reply 23 of 43
    chronsterchronster Posts: 1,894member
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    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post


    Hey don't insult conservatives, many of them do have brains! Call it "America's far right wingnut view point network"



    Point taken. I'm a Ron Paul supporter myself, but I guess that makes me more of a libertarian than a conservative. I always thought being conservative meant being against war, and occupation of countries we have no business being in. The money we could save if we changed to isolationism could eliminate social security (pay everyone back what they put in, then just end it) and get us out of this massive deficit, not to mention create jobs if we put it back into our own system somehow.



    I'm getting a little off topic lol
  • Reply 24 of 43
    arlomediaarlomedia Posts: 271member
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    Originally Posted by sheff View Post


    Why do you need a separate division for iPad and how would iPad "transform journalism". All you really need is to have engineers and editors that are familiar with technology to transition journalism over to a new medium. Journalism is independent of technology really, you can have good/bad reporting on any medium.



    Just what I was thinking. Seems like a duplication of resources to have a separate unit gathering the same news for a different format. In fact the format's only significantly different if you compare it to print -- compared to a desktop web browser it's a nice upgrade but pretty much the same.
  • Reply 25 of 43
    oxygenhoseoxygenhose Posts: 236member
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    Originally Posted by AppleZilla View Post


    Propaganda Corp would not be my first choice for 'news.'



    Well obviously you were not paying attention this week. Almost every media outlet was calling them 'racist' over the Sherrod case... when they were the only chain that wasn't being racist in reporting the story. I don't watch TV news, but seems a little fishy that all the supposed "fair" media is constantly printing quiet retractions, burying stories after their initial slant proves false, and now public on-air apologies to the "hated, biased" Fox?



    A lot of trolls make judgements on bias, and vilify something their too lazy to learn about... That would be you AppleZilla. Shouldn't you be a PC guy? We Mac users are supposed to be better than that.



    As for Fox and paid iPad/iPhone apps the more the better. You don't have to buy what you don't like, but only a fool would discourage an attempt by a large media company to offer products for us. I'm not sure how the model exactly works but one of the largest (if not the) media content revenue generators for iTunes is Rush Limbaugh. And having the Wall Street Journal create dedicated, serious iPad content would be a very good thing for the Apple platform.
  • Reply 26 of 43
    oxygenhoseoxygenhose Posts: 236member
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    Originally Posted by ElmCityWeb View Post


    It would be a good move on News Corp's part to move on this endeavor asap. In 5-10 years when the iPad is in million of more households there's only going to be so many companies on top of the list of best iPad news/magazine providers.



    That said, Fox News is a joke.



    Totally agreed... up until the end, when you lost me with the obligatory party Democrat "Heil Hitler" at the end. Must say a prayer to protect from the devil, I guess? All seems rather lemming-like, medeival peasant minded... mustn't upset the devil... only unquestioning faith in the 'good of the church' can protect you. However your initial point is very valid and logical for this reality we share, just the jackboots... they make the people not in your club a little uneasy, and the scuff up the floor something horrible.
  • Reply 27 of 43
    n1954679n1954679 Posts: 16member
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    Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post


    But I guess you would trust CNBC and Keith Olbermann huh?



    No but I would trust the BBC, and Australia's ABC among others. Who needs news Corp
  • Reply 28 of 43
    plovellplovell Posts: 826member
    Rupert Murdoch's number one goal is making money. Political influence comes a close second but it's second. Accept it as fact. If you don't, read his history and then come back to the discussion. Of course, political influence (#2) is very often a facilitator to making money (#1) so it can be hard to separate them.



    As an example, "The Times", the venerable English newspaper, has recently set up a paywall for online users. In a month or so the traffic decreased 85% but they say this is good because they get better quality readers. Well, maybe.



    "The Times" is the quintessential Conservative newspaper in Britain. The "Daily Telegraph" is a close second. And Britain has just elected a Conservative government, headed by the new Prime Minister David Cameron. But when he visits the U.S. there are "complaints" that he visits more with Democrats than with Republicans.



    Truth is that a British Conservative government, dealing with wars and bad budgets and fiscal crises as bad as those in the U.S. (smaller in absolute numbers, larger in relative terms) does in fact have more in common with the Democrats, even though he's raising taxes and cutting spending. The position of the U.S. Republicans is very, very far to the right of any government in Europe. The Tea Party folks will have none of this, of course, but the facts are plain. Subscribe to Rupert's "Times" paywall and read for yourselves - it's the most right-wing of the main-line press. Or read the still-free Telegraph for a similar-but-not-identical view. Beyond that you're into the territory of fringe groups of some kind or another. Note: readers of a certain age might notice the parallels between present British Conservatives and "Eisenhower Republicans". They would be quite correct.



    That leaves the current U.S. GOP way out on the Right. That is sad, and also true. The only political parties in Europe with positions similar to the GOP are the right-wing fringes. There are NO main-stream parties in Europe, either in government or opposition, that have the general agenda of the GOP.



    I'd like to have an Eisenhower Republican party that I could vote for. Please, can we have that?



    flame - > /dev/null
  • Reply 29 of 43
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    Originally Posted by oxygenhose View Post


    Totally agreed... up until the end, when you lost me with the obligatory party Democrat "Heil Hitler" at the end. Must say a prayer to protect from the devil, I guess? All seems rather lemming-like, medeival peasant minded.



    So we must be lemmings, Nazis or medieval peasants to think or say that Fox News is a joke? Does that make you feel better about what you watch?



    Great comment above comparing European politics to American politics. Some people in the US - especially the "global warming is an Al Gore-inspired hoax" and "national healthcare sucks" crowd - somehow believe that their views are shared by other (ultra) right wingers around the developed world. It ain't so, Joe.
  • Reply 30 of 43
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    Good old Rupert, you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours
  • Reply 31 of 43
    asciiascii Posts: 5,936member
    Newspapers, TV and radio have traditionally been entirely separate companies so in a sense the web was the exception in that it was often just a division of existing companies. What he is proposing with the iPad is a more serious approach.



    As for the App Store being in trouble I would have to disagree - it is a resounding success. But what it needs is some fundamental GUI insight about how to display and navigate very large data sets. That could send it in to the stratosphere.
  • Reply 32 of 43
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    Originally Posted by chronster View Post


    Look everyone, yet another person to bring up msnbc as a means to defend Fox News.



    BTW, don't try to sell us on the validity of Fox News based on their numbers. That's such an idiotic argument. Fox News' propagandist bullshit is as clear as day. It's really sad how many people believe their nonsense.



    Also, calling the other news networks liberal is stupid as well (just sayin, because that's usually where this conversation goes.) Compared to Fox News, all news networks ARE liberal, but that's just because Fox is so far right.



    FOX News

    WSJ (editorial div.)



    Vs.



    NBC

    CBS

    ABC

    PBS

    CNN

    CNBC

    MSNBC (sorry to throw this in)

    NPR

    New York Times

    Washington Post

    plus hundreds of other outlets.



    A reasonable person could just easily say, the other networks are so liberal it makes FOX look conservative. At the end of the day I know a slant when I see one -from both sides!. Lets just say its nice to have competing views in this wonderful country we live in.
  • Reply 33 of 43
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    Originally Posted by Multimedia View Post


    I don't trust Rupert to deliver objective information after what he's done with FOX.



    You are a full of sh*t liberal showing your objectivity.



    You prefer the fake media instead.



  • Reply 34 of 43
    chronsterchronster Posts: 1,894member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ForceQuit View Post


    FOX News

    WSJ (editorial div.)



    Vs.



    NBC

    CBS

    ABC

    PBS

    CNN

    CNBC

    MSNBC (sorry to throw this in)

    NPR

    New York Times

    Washington Post

    plus hundreds of other outlets.



    A reasonable person could just easily say, the other networks are so liberal it makes FOX look conservative. At the end of the day I know a slant when I see one -from both sides!. Lets just say its nice to have competing views in this wonderful country we live in.



    I have no problem with competing views. I do have a problem with spreading misinformation lol



    The funny thing is though, I literally get ALL my news from the internet now. I rarely watch news on TV. Youtube of all places is turning out to be a great way to cut through the controlled bs here in America, and really see what's happening. It's amazing how many stories are ran on foreign channels that in the US would make headlines, but instead we barely hear a peep.
  • Reply 35 of 43
    chronsterchronster Posts: 1,894member
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    Originally Posted by Orangeoutsider View Post


    You are a full of sh*t liberal showing your objectivity.



    You prefer the fake media instead.







    I see comments like these all the time nowadays. If you actually prefer to have your opinions formed for you, then good for you, but just because someone doesn't trust Fox News, it doesn't automatically make them some far left loon.



    This is what's wrong with the country now. There's a constant "left vs right" paradigm driven into the minds of everyone so we remain arguing and fighting, and distracted. It's ridiculous that a discussion about a supposed NEWS channel always turns political. What does that tell you? In fact, what does it tell you that because he doesn't trust Fox News, you automatically called him a "full of shit liberal"???
  • Reply 36 of 43
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chronster View Post


    I have no problem with competing views. I do have a problem with spreading misinformation lol



    The funny thing is though, I literally get ALL my news from the internet now. I rarely watch news on TV. Youtube of all places is turning out to be a great way to cut through the controlled bs here in America, and really see what's happening. It's amazing how many stories are ran on foreign channels that in the US would make headlines, but instead we barely hear a peep.



    Believe me, they all spread misinformation, either wittingly or unwittingly. The thing is, most of us only watch those sources that tend to validate our preconceived views. The real trick is to go to other sites for alternative viewpoints.



    Agree on the internet and foreign news sources.
  • Reply 37 of 43
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    Originally Posted by addicted44 View Post


    You should read Gruber's take on this.



    If you've read any comment from Apple there's no need to read Gruber. His blog never deviates from the Steve Jobs party line.
  • Reply 38 of 43
    My WSJ was delivered soaking wet today! Saturday's edition is one of my fav's because the content is a little more 'fun.' Cars, wine, travel, movies, books, etc. Had to send my GF our the local convenience store to get another one! In the rain no less.



    I'll probably wait for the second gen. iPad before changing my sub. to online only b/c of the likelihood of a camera for FaceTime/Scanning UPC codes and the like. And the possible use of the iPhone 4's high res screen.



    This is when I will convert to a paid online/iPad version. And all my Mags for that matter.



    Best.



    PS. I balance the WSJ editorial bent with listening to the Diane Rehms' Podcast from NPR while on my daily runs.



    We probably should all avoid Fox News and MSNBC irrespective of our individual political leanings.



    Hannity is looking more and more like Lou Costello, Keith Obberman is one cheeseburger away from a stroke, Chris Matthews looks more and more like Charles Nelson-Riley with his constantly wet lower lip...and Glenn Beck is just a self-righteous prig/buffoon of the first order! Put them in a room together and they would look and sound like the caricatures they have become. George will is just plain 'dialed out!'



    PSS. I recommend Fareed Zakaria on CNN as the best as far as TV news is concerned! FYI: Video Podcasts available. http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/f...eo/id285714206 Oh and Bill Maher on HBO!



    PSSS. Sorry for being off topic a bit!
  • Reply 39 of 43
    justflybobjustflybob Posts: 1,337member
    Great!



    More news with less facts.



    And you get to pay them for the privilege.



    Awesome. Just awesome.
  • Reply 40 of 43
    justflybobjustflybob Posts: 1,337member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Orangeoutsider View Post


    You are a full of sh*t liberal showing your objectivity.



    You prefer the fake media instead.







    Being liberal, conservative, or neither has little to do with objectivity.



    I have no idea of what you mean by "fake media", unless you are referring to the paper mache object my granddaughter made for me last Christmas. I still have no idea exactly what it is supposed to be, but it is colorful.



    News Corp owns an astounding amount of media of all types, and Rupert Murdoch is on record as saying he does so not only to make money, but to push his own agenda and beliefs, rather than staying neutral. Once upon a time the integrity of all news media was based on that simple tenant - being a neutral observer of the story you are reporting.



    He was able to create this empire by either ignoring or changing any laws designed to prevent such an empire. Once upon a time a single company could not own a newspaper, TV station or affiliate, and a radio station in any given media market.



    There were, and still are, good reasons to keep it that way. What's that great line in a recent song? "When they own the information, oh they can bend it all they want."



    My comments are not about politics, as YMMV. It is more about control and money. It is rather about getting to the real facts in any situation. Unfortunately, there is a lot of money to be made on "Breaking News", which I detest.



    I have seen far too many ""breaking news" stories get almost everything wrong and yet the inaccurate version is what many people choose to believe - even after the story is corrected and the somewhat more accurate facts are presented. And I wholly agree with the other poster(s) that have suggested you tune into other sources outside your local new affiliate if you want some semblance of the facts.



    But there is a reason that other free countries keep the empire-preventing laws in place. There is also a reason those same countries call their news personalities "news readers". They effectively curtail the celebrity status of their news people and hold true to the idea that a news media darling cannot stay objective.
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