Yep. Showed up at 11AM, just getting it up and running now, but I am posting from it. Haven't really stretched it yet, but it exudes the feeling of being pretty darn speedy. I got an 8core/2.4ghz because most of my work is multicore optimized. Quite a step up from the white poly core2duo 1.8 macbook I've been using.
Please show us where you can get a name brand 12 core system of equivalent quality for much less.
The problem is people who insist on comparing a 12 core professional Xeon machine to a Dell Inspiron i7.
I went to the Boxx Technology site and built an 8520 SERIES as close as I could get to the Mac 12 core. The Boxx was $200 more. The Mac price includes Applecare to match the Boxx 3 year warranty. I have both Mac Pros and Boxx computers in my facility. They are of similar quality and performance - and price. I had to convince some higher ups of this fact since they always wanted me to buy Windows systems. They were fine paying for a Boxx but complained about the cost of a Mac until I showed them it was a wash.
I have a friend/colleague who professes (and he is a university professor as well) that he to can get a better configuration that Apple offers for significantly less.
The last time I talked to him was in response to a problem he was having with his hackintosh. He couldn't call Apple of course so he called me after spending a day and a half troubleshooting his great machine.
Naturally, I couldn't help but rub it in that he would have saved himself a lot more by getting a Mac in the first place. When I asked him did he ever consider how much time/resources/money he has wasted building, supporting and servicing his hack, to which he responded that it didn't really cost him anything because of his position at the university.
Fortunately, he doesn't teach economics. Unfortunately, he has tenure.
I'm an independent and a middle-of-the-roader, but I have to say regarding your professor colleague - THAT is a socialist mentality. Obviously, most universities don't pay tenured faculty on a piecework basis, but he can't possibly justify the time wasted instead of working, messing with his hack rather than making any productive contribution to his school.
And we wonder why annual undergraduate college costs are now shooting upwards of $50,000 a year.
I'm an independent and a middle-of-the-roader, but I have to say regarding your professor colleague - THAT is a socialist mentality. Obviously, most universities don't pay tenured faculty on a piecework basis, but he can't possibly justify the time wasted instead of working, messing with his hack rather than making any productive contribution to his school.
And we wonder why annual undergraduate college costs are now shooting upwards of $50,000 a year.
Still, don't most universities provide Macs to professors that request them? I think the Hackintosh was just an effort to make a point, which clearly failed.
I went to the Boxx Technology site and built an 8520 SERIES as close as I could get to the Mac 12 core. The Boxx was $200 more. The Mac price includes Applecare to match the Boxx 3 year warranty. I have both Mac Pros and Boxx computers in my facility. They are of similar quality and performance - and price. I had to convince some higher ups of this fact since they always wanted me to buy Windows systems. They were fine paying for a Boxx but complained about the cost of a Mac until I showed them it was a wash.
I also have several Boxx computers. They are fine machines, but NO ONE beats their customer support. I had NVidia problems on a card they installed, over the few weeks I was sorting out the problem they sent me three different high end video cards and new memory until we finally discovered it was a bad display port cable and totally something that should be my fault. They still paid for all the overnight shipping and were simply the best support team I have ever encountered. I will buy all my PCs from them.
That said, my new 12core macpro arrives on Wednesday.
I received my new Mac Pro on Friday. Extremely excited but quickly frustrated.
I have a Windows workstation set up with three LCD monitors. The Mac Pro is to replace the PC. The strange problem happens when I tried to plug in all three monitors to the Mac Pro. Any monitor connected to the DVI port cannot be detected while the two mini display ports are plugged in. As soon as I unplug one of the monitors connected to any of the MDP, the monitor connected to DVI starts working!
I tried all sorts of combinations. Basically, any LCD connected to the DVI port cannot be detected by Mac Pro when two MDPs are also connected. The problem goes away when unplugging any of the MDP. How bizarre! Any idea what the problem is?
I received my new Mac Pro on Friday. Extremely excited but quickly frustrated.
I have a Windows workstation set up with three LCD monitors. The Mac Pro is to replace the PC. The strange problem happens when I tried to plug in all three monitors to the Mac Pro. Any monitor connected to the DVI port cannot be detected while the two mini display ports are plugged in. As soon as I unplug one of the monitors connected to any of the MDP, the monitor connected to DVI starts working!
I tried all sorts of combinations. Basically, any LCD connected to the DVI port cannot be detected by Mac Pro when two MDPs are also connected. The problem goes away when unplugging any of the MDP. How bizarre! Any idea what the problem is?
I had precisely this same problem, I spec'd the machine with two cards, so I moved one of the displays to the other which seems to have temporarily solved the problem, but I smell a driver bug. Time to call Apple?
I had precisely this same problem, I spec'd the machine with two cards, so I moved one of the displays to the other which seems to have temporarily solved the problem, but I smell a driver bug. Time to call Apple?
BG
Thanks for the confirmation, BG. That's quite "ensuring" about the new Mac Pro.
I just called Apple technical support. And they send me this article, basically saying "we told you so" that there are strings attached when they say the Mac Pro supports three monitors.
I had precisely this same problem, I spec'd the machine with two cards, so I moved one of the displays to the other which seems to have temporarily solved the problem, but I smell a driver bug. Time to call Apple?
BG
Got my Mac Pro last Thursday (hurray for 2 day shipping!) Up and running with 7TB inside, but externally, either of two Buffalo TB drives, using FW800, cause immediate panic crashes. The same drives, on my iMac (running the same 10.6.4), work fine with FW800. My Seagate TB drive works fine on the Mac Pro (w FW800). Also, the Buffalo drives work fine with USB connections. Apple is involved and expects to get back to me in a week. I've tried 32 bit and Safety boot with no success.
Thanks for the confirmation, BG. That's quite "ensuring" about the new Mac Pro.
I just called Apple technical support. And they send me this article, basically saying "we told you so" that there are strings attached when they say the Mac Pro supports three monitors.
1) buy two new Mini Displayport to Dual-link DVI adaptors, which would cost me $200, because mini display port to DVI adaptor would not do.
2) add another graphic card, $250,
3) get some new Apple monitors, >$1000
Or the fourth choice: return it and buy a Windows workstation instead. I know it's a bit childish, but it's really pissing me off.
Yeah. That's a very odd thing. I only need vanilla dvi so it doesn't burn me but i'd be pissed off too if i were you. Though that being said, i've never in my life been pissed off enough to return to windows. Heh.
I also have several Boxx computers. They are fine machines, but NO ONE beats their customer support.
True that! I had a bad hard drive in a Boxx system. Of course at first we didn't know that and they helped me do various weird attempts to get XP to snap out of it and boot the sucker. Eventually I had to give up and try a reinstall. When that failed we knew the drive was bad, which they replaced or free (under warranty). Total support and nice people.
Got my Mac Pro last Thursday (hurray for 2 day shipping!) Up and running with 7TB inside, but externally, either of two Buffalo TB drives, using FW800, cause immediate panic crashes. The same drives, on my iMac (running the same 10.6.4), work fine with FW800. My Seagate TB drive works fine on the Mac Pro (w FW800). Also, the Buffalo drives work fine with USB connections. Apple is involved and expects to get back to me in a week. I've tried 32 bit and Safety boot with no success.
Any ideas?
Did you try both the front and back Firewire ports? They are on separate buses (at they are in previous Mac Pros). Also what bridge chips are in those Buffalo drives? Oxford?
I got the 6-core 3.33. Because most apps STILL are not multithreaded. I am also using this as a Win gaming rig. So, again, clock speed is still king. It is the saddest thing to see an 8 core Mac pro run Adobe CS and spin out of control as Adobe uses 1 core to render and save. Disgusting. 8-12 Cores will be great when developers make it so. If you run After Effects, Final Cut, certain 3D stuff the extra cores will be nice. Outside of that you are wasting money for cycle's that will not be used.
I got the 6-core 3.33. Because most apps STILL are not multithreaded. I am also using this as a Win gaming rig. So, again, clock speed is still king. It is the saddest thing to see an 8 core Mac pro run Adobe CS and spin out of control as Adobe uses 1 core to render and save. Disgusting. 8-12 Cores will be great when developers make it so. If you run After Effects, Final Cut, certain 3D stuff the extra cores will be nice. Outside of that you are wasting money for cycle's that will not be used.
is that any more sad than a 6 'core mac pro run adobe cs and spin out of control as adobe uses 1 core' ? disgusting.
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Congrats to those who bought these new Mac Pros.
The price of the 12 core model is insane though ($5,000)! Even for small businesses this model is expensive as hell. Don't like it
Please show us where you can get a name brand 12 core system of equivalent quality for much less.
The problem is people who insist on comparing a 12 core professional Xeon machine to a Dell Inspiron i7.
AI has been too busy writing articles about antenna problems on the iPhone. Sorry for the inconvenience.
It's hard for Apple to offer USB 3 until Intel's chipsets support it. Apple can't work magic.
It's called a Mac Pro.
Then buy a USB 3.0 card.
http://www.directron.com/u3pci1.html?gsear=1
Problem solved.
(I can't believe anyone is seriously going to pass on this computer simply because they're unwilling to spend $30 for a USB 3 card.
I just did a comparison:
Hyundai Elantra
BMW 5 series
Both have 4 doors
Both have 4 wheels plus a spare
Both have 6 cylinder engines
Both seat 5 (a little crowded) or 4 comfortably
Both are available in silver with leather interior
But the BMW is more expensive.
Isn't it amazing the conclusions you can reach when you ignore quality and service?
Then buy a USB 3.0 card.
http://www.directron.com/u3pci1.html?gsear=1
Problem solved.
Not supported by Apple or covered by Applecare. Problem not solved.
Please show us where you can get a name brand 12 core system of equivalent quality for much less.
The problem is people who insist on comparing a 12 core professional Xeon machine to a Dell Inspiron i7.
I went to the Boxx Technology site and built an 8520 SERIES as close as I could get to the Mac 12 core. The Boxx was $200 more. The Mac price includes Applecare to match the Boxx 3 year warranty. I have both Mac Pros and Boxx computers in my facility. They are of similar quality and performance - and price. I had to convince some higher ups of this fact since they always wanted me to buy Windows systems. They were fine paying for a Boxx but complained about the cost of a Mac until I showed them it was a wash.
I have a friend/colleague who professes (and he is a university professor as well) that he to can get a better configuration that Apple offers for significantly less.
The last time I talked to him was in response to a problem he was having with his hackintosh. He couldn't call Apple of course so he called me after spending a day and a half troubleshooting his great machine.
Naturally, I couldn't help but rub it in that he would have saved himself a lot more by getting a Mac in the first place. When I asked him did he ever consider how much time/resources/money he has wasted building, supporting and servicing his hack, to which he responded that it didn't really cost him anything because of his position at the university.
Fortunately, he doesn't teach economics. Unfortunately, he has tenure.
I'm an independent and a middle-of-the-roader, but I have to say regarding your professor colleague - THAT is a socialist mentality. Obviously, most universities don't pay tenured faculty on a piecework basis, but he can't possibly justify the time wasted instead of working, messing with his hack rather than making any productive contribution to his school.
And we wonder why annual undergraduate college costs are now shooting upwards of $50,000 a year.
I'm an independent and a middle-of-the-roader, but I have to say regarding your professor colleague - THAT is a socialist mentality. Obviously, most universities don't pay tenured faculty on a piecework basis, but he can't possibly justify the time wasted instead of working, messing with his hack rather than making any productive contribution to his school.
And we wonder why annual undergraduate college costs are now shooting upwards of $50,000 a year.
Still, don't most universities provide Macs to professors that request them? I think the Hackintosh was just an effort to make a point, which clearly failed.
I went to the Boxx Technology site and built an 8520 SERIES as close as I could get to the Mac 12 core. The Boxx was $200 more. The Mac price includes Applecare to match the Boxx 3 year warranty. I have both Mac Pros and Boxx computers in my facility. They are of similar quality and performance - and price. I had to convince some higher ups of this fact since they always wanted me to buy Windows systems. They were fine paying for a Boxx but complained about the cost of a Mac until I showed them it was a wash.
I also have several Boxx computers. They are fine machines, but NO ONE beats their customer support. I had NVidia problems on a card they installed, over the few weeks I was sorting out the problem they sent me three different high end video cards and new memory until we finally discovered it was a bad display port cable and totally something that should be my fault. They still paid for all the overnight shipping and were simply the best support team I have ever encountered. I will buy all my PCs from them.
That said, my new 12core macpro arrives on Wednesday.
I have a Windows workstation set up with three LCD monitors. The Mac Pro is to replace the PC. The strange problem happens when I tried to plug in all three monitors to the Mac Pro. Any monitor connected to the DVI port cannot be detected while the two mini display ports are plugged in. As soon as I unplug one of the monitors connected to any of the MDP, the monitor connected to DVI starts working!
I tried all sorts of combinations. Basically, any LCD connected to the DVI port cannot be detected by Mac Pro when two MDPs are also connected. The problem goes away when unplugging any of the MDP. How bizarre! Any idea what the problem is?
I received my new Mac Pro on Friday. Extremely excited but quickly frustrated.
I have a Windows workstation set up with three LCD monitors. The Mac Pro is to replace the PC. The strange problem happens when I tried to plug in all three monitors to the Mac Pro. Any monitor connected to the DVI port cannot be detected while the two mini display ports are plugged in. As soon as I unplug one of the monitors connected to any of the MDP, the monitor connected to DVI starts working!
I tried all sorts of combinations. Basically, any LCD connected to the DVI port cannot be detected by Mac Pro when two MDPs are also connected. The problem goes away when unplugging any of the MDP. How bizarre! Any idea what the problem is?
I had precisely this same problem, I spec'd the machine with two cards, so I moved one of the displays to the other which seems to have temporarily solved the problem, but I smell a driver bug. Time to call Apple?
BG
I had precisely this same problem, I spec'd the machine with two cards, so I moved one of the displays to the other which seems to have temporarily solved the problem, but I smell a driver bug. Time to call Apple?
BG
Thanks for the confirmation, BG. That's quite "ensuring" about the new Mac Pro.
I just called Apple technical support. And they send me this article, basically saying "we told you so" that there are strings attached when they say the Mac Pro supports three monitors.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4279?viewlocale=en_US
So now my choices are:
1) buy two new Mini Displayport to Dual-link DVI adaptors, which would cost me $200, because mini display port to DVI adaptor would not do.
2) add another graphic card, $250,
3) get some new Apple monitors, >$1000
Or the fourth choice: return it and buy a Windows workstation instead. I know it's a bit childish, but it's really pissing me off.
I had precisely this same problem, I spec'd the machine with two cards, so I moved one of the displays to the other which seems to have temporarily solved the problem, but I smell a driver bug. Time to call Apple?
BG
Got my Mac Pro last Thursday (hurray for 2 day shipping!) Up and running with 7TB inside, but externally, either of two Buffalo TB drives, using FW800, cause immediate panic crashes. The same drives, on my iMac (running the same 10.6.4), work fine with FW800. My Seagate TB drive works fine on the Mac Pro (w FW800). Also, the Buffalo drives work fine with USB connections. Apple is involved and expects to get back to me in a week. I've tried 32 bit and Safety boot with no success.
Any ideas?
Thanks for the confirmation, BG. That's quite "ensuring" about the new Mac Pro.
I just called Apple technical support. And they send me this article, basically saying "we told you so" that there are strings attached when they say the Mac Pro supports three monitors.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4279?viewlocale=en_US
So now my choices are:
1) buy two new Mini Displayport to Dual-link DVI adaptors, which would cost me $200, because mini display port to DVI adaptor would not do.
2) add another graphic card, $250,
3) get some new Apple monitors, >$1000
Or the fourth choice: return it and buy a Windows workstation instead. I know it's a bit childish, but it's really pissing me off.
Yeah. That's a very odd thing. I only need vanilla dvi so it doesn't burn me but i'd be pissed off too if i were you. Though that being said, i've never in my life been pissed off enough to return to windows. Heh.
BG
Any ideas?
Weird. You got me stumped on that one. the only external storage I use is a Drobo S and it's chugging along just fine with the new MP
BG
I also have several Boxx computers. They are fine machines, but NO ONE beats their customer support.
True that! I had a bad hard drive in a Boxx system. Of course at first we didn't know that and they helped me do various weird attempts to get XP to snap out of it and boot the sucker. Eventually I had to give up and try a reinstall. When that failed we knew the drive was bad, which they replaced or free (under warranty). Total support and nice people.
Got my Mac Pro last Thursday (hurray for 2 day shipping!) Up and running with 7TB inside, but externally, either of two Buffalo TB drives, using FW800, cause immediate panic crashes. The same drives, on my iMac (running the same 10.6.4), work fine with FW800. My Seagate TB drive works fine on the Mac Pro (w FW800). Also, the Buffalo drives work fine with USB connections. Apple is involved and expects to get back to me in a week. I've tried 32 bit and Safety boot with no success.
Any ideas?
Did you try both the front and back Firewire ports? They are on separate buses (at they are in previous Mac Pros). Also what bridge chips are in those Buffalo drives? Oxford?
I got the 6-core 3.33. Because most apps STILL are not multithreaded. I am also using this as a Win gaming rig. So, again, clock speed is still king. It is the saddest thing to see an 8 core Mac pro run Adobe CS and spin out of control as Adobe uses 1 core to render and save. Disgusting. 8-12 Cores will be great when developers make it so. If you run After Effects, Final Cut, certain 3D stuff the extra cores will be nice. Outside of that you are wasting money for cycle's that will not be used.
is that any more sad than a 6 'core mac pro run adobe cs and spin out of control as adobe uses 1 core' ? disgusting.