Huh... From the massive sales its having worldwide, it seems the whole world must be geeks then.
Why do people still respond to SendMe? He's a troll, only pretending to be an Apple Zealot. I expect him to propose marriage to Steve-O any time now and no doubt some people will take him seriously.
I will laugh very loudly if they forgo Verizon altogether. All these stupid people that I know that think their service on Verizon is so great, that they've held onto it the last four years and even renewed their contracts, all the while complaining about the sh*t phone they own, and wishing they had an iPhone. Sorry, but I'd rather buy the phone I want and be done with, rather than spend 4 (or more) years wishing I had a different phone, for no reason other than rumors of poor service.
People on Verizon must think I'm lying when I tell them I've never dropped a call on AT&T with 4 iPhones, nor have ever had a complaint about service. What frigging idiots people are.
I guess it depends on where you live. I get good coverage from both but AT&T is actually better in my home than verizon?so no reason for me to be at all worried about when/if the verizon iPhone is coming. But judging by the many complaints though, some people seem to need the verizon option?especially in some parts out west.
I was an advocate of the LTE theory, saying T-Mo is more likely then Verizon. Now however, I gotta say that apple is unhappy enough with ATT upload glitches and tethering delays and fees that it might just go to Verizon, swallow the cost just to break out of one carrier prison.
Every other report/rumor about a Verizon iPhone indicates that they are well into the mid to final stages of testing and that they have already placed an order for CDMA chips with Qualcomm. It doesn't make sense that Verizon and Apple would be taking economics and technology, unless they're already talking about future technology beyond the original release of a CDMA iPhone.
After that Shaw Wu goes on to sound like a complete fool to suggest that Apple may forgo Verizon and support both Sprint and T-mobile. So now Apple is going to support 3 iphones and still not have Verizon ? He goes on to say that T-mobile and Sprint have a subscriber base that approaches Verizon. What he doesn't say that a huge percentage of Sprint's base are prepaid customers through their various brands and much of T-mobile's base are corporate accounts to cheap to go with Verizon. This is who he thinks Apple is going to sell iPhones to ?
What I was trying to say, was that one way or another verizon iPhone rumors have been circulating since 2007 and we still havnt seen one yet.
Quote:
Originally Posted by storneo
I thought it was impossible to do voice/data at the same time on CDMA?
Sure, the rumors have been circulating for awhile, but if folks bothered actually paying attention to the rumors (and weeding out the obviously stupid ones), for the past couple of years nearly all of the rumors have pointed to the end of 2010 as when the Verizon phone would come. Too many people heard the rumors and assumed they meant it would be just around the corner without actually reading the whole rumor. And when it didn't come true just assumed the rumor was untrue (vs that they just didn't understand the rumor in the first place).
All of the even mildly credible rumors took into account the technology roadmaps that come into play. One of the which addresses the myth that it is impossible for CDMA to do simultaneous voice and data. But it's been known for over a year that the hardware required to allow this was to become available in the 3rd quarter of 2010. Myself and others have repeatedly pointed this out here and elsewhere, but people ignored it because it didn't fit into their view of reality that Apple would "never" make a Verizon iPhone. And if simultaneous voice/data was possible that took away their #1 reason why Verizon wouldn't get the iPhone. So they ignore the facts in order to debunk the rumor.
I've stated repeatedly, and been criticized for it, there is NO technological reason for Apple to not create a Verizon iPhone. The business decision to form a partnership with Verizon (and currently the manufacturing capacity) is the only thing preventing it from happening...and all in the timeframe of most of the rumors that have come up in the last year or so...namely the end of 2010/early 2011.
May be the CDMA iPhone is for China Mobile, which has 559M subscribers, although most of them are still in 2G, but if only 10% get iPhone, it is over 55M subscribers, equal to 60% of Verizon subscribers.
May be the CDMA iPhone is for China Mobile, which has 559M subscribers, although most of them are still in 2G, but if only 10% get iPhone, it is over 55M subscribers, equal to 60% of Verizon subscribers.
Did you even READ the story??? My guess is no based on your question...try reading the story again
Of course, I read the story. How else would I have formed a question based on the stories contents? I have always read here (and elsewhere) voice/data wasn't possible on CDMA. And, as far as I can tell, it still isn't possible currently because the networks need some sort of update to make it happen?! So why would this rumor make this statement if, currently, voice/data on CDMA isn't possible? So they plan on making the network update then release the IP4 for Verizon on an untested network? If you don't have something positive to contribute, then just keep your thoughts to yourself.
We can all relax about this, because it isn't going to happen for a while. Android is gaining ground but presently would get crushed by iOS at the local VZW store. Google, apple, and Verizon all know this.
Verizon is quasi-publicly negotiating with apple to get more cash and other concessions out of Google. Remember, Google is what a casino would call a "whale." Apple has lots of cash, too, but Steve makes money from hardware, not ads (presently) and isn't in the philanthropy business, as your wallets may have noticed. Google's cash is worth more to VZW than Apple's because (1) Google will pay more/take less per handset because they are at a disadvantage, and (2) Verizon has EVERY REASON IN THE WORLD to want two platforms to battle against each other, rather than invite the death grip of a platform monopoly.
Maybe Apple will and their exclusivity, maybe not, or maybe they will dabble in CDMA abroad. All feasible. But for now, Android isn't ready to be taken off life support.
Of course, I read the story. How else would I have formed a question based on the stories contents? I have always read here (and elsewhere) voice/data wasn't possible on CDMA. And, as far as I can tell, it still isn't possible currently because the networks need some sort of update to make it happen?! So why would this rumor make this statement if, currently, voice/data on CDMA isn't possible? So they plan on making the network update then release the IP4 for Verizon on an untested network? If you don't have something positive to contribute, then just keep your thoughts to yourself.
The network protocols of CDMA are not setup to do both simutaniously. There was talk to revise the protocols to allow, but most likely will need to wait until LTE is deploy.
The network protocols of CDMA are not setup to do both simutaniously. There was talk to revise the protocols to allow, but most likely will need to wait until LTE is deploy.
SVDO has been possible for a year now and if the networks have been upgraded, this is the quarter we would be seeing the results. I posted a link about SVDO above
"From AAPL's perspective, the debate is whether it makes sense to roll out an interim CDMA iPhone sometime in 2011 or perhaps wait until LTE becomes more available in 2012," Wu wrote.
Rumor is that Pegatron has a done deal to build a CDMA iPhone. They will have to go somewhere. If a deal with Verizon doesn't get made, Apple could make deals with Sprint in the US, or, better yet, China Telecom, KDDI in Japan, and/or CAT Telecom in Thailand, among others in Asia. Gaining Asian mindshare is more important long-term, anyway.
That said, Sprint's network is underrated, especially for business travelers, and they offer great prices. A TMobile iPhone is a mild modification away. Both would be great iPhone carriers.
One if the rumored issues is that Verizon wants their logo on the iPhone. I have a compromise solution: make every Verizon iPhone a ProductRed version. That way, a Verizon logo won't be needed, but Verizon still gets recognized on the street, and AIDS research gets a boost. Win-win.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ron1701
He goes on to say that T-mobile and Sprint have a subscriber base that approaches Verizon. What he doesn't say that a huge percentage of Sprint's base are prepaid customers through their various brands and much of T-mobile's base are corporate accounts to cheap to go with Verizon. This is who he thinks Apple is going to sell iPhones to ?
People switching from AT&T, to start. Also, there are some people on those two networks who are interested in the iPhone. Apple could make considerable money off of them. Not as much as Verizon, but still a lot of money.
On top of that, there are supply issues. Apple has been having so much trouble keeping up with the current demand, that a new factory is being built specifically to build GSM iPhones (it won't be ready 'til next year). I've heard rumors that Pegatron will be able to make 10 million CDMA iPhones a year, in a third factory. If Verizon gets the iPhone, they could sell that many in the first month.
Comments
Either way the metaphor works. Perhaps I should have said 'manjana' to emphasize the generalized intent of my meaning
Perhaps instead you should have said, "mañana".
Either way the metaphor works. Perhaps I should have said 'manjana' to emphasize the generalized intent of my meaning
What I was trying to say, was that one way or another verizon iPhone rumors have been circulating since 2007 and we still havnt seen one yet.
I thought it was impossible to do voice/data at the same time on CDMA?
Did you even READ the story??? My guess is no based on your question...try reading the story again
Huh... From the massive sales its having worldwide, it seems the whole world must be geeks then.
Why do people still respond to SendMe? He's a troll, only pretending to be an Apple Zealot. I expect him to propose marriage to Steve-O any time now and no doubt some people will take him seriously.
I will laugh very loudly if they forgo Verizon altogether. All these stupid people that I know that think their service on Verizon is so great, that they've held onto it the last four years and even renewed their contracts, all the while complaining about the sh*t phone they own, and wishing they had an iPhone. Sorry, but I'd rather buy the phone I want and be done with, rather than spend 4 (or more) years wishing I had a different phone, for no reason other than rumors of poor service.
People on Verizon must think I'm lying when I tell them I've never dropped a call on AT&T with 4 iPhones, nor have ever had a complaint about service. What frigging idiots people are.
I guess it depends on where you live. I get good coverage from both but AT&T is actually better in my home than verizon?so no reason for me to be at all worried about when/if the verizon iPhone is coming. But judging by the many complaints though, some people seem to need the verizon option?especially in some parts out west.
After that Shaw Wu goes on to sound like a complete fool to suggest that Apple may forgo Verizon and support both Sprint and T-mobile. So now Apple is going to support 3 iphones and still not have Verizon ? He goes on to say that T-mobile and Sprint have a subscriber base that approaches Verizon. What he doesn't say that a huge percentage of Sprint's base are prepaid customers through their various brands and much of T-mobile's base are corporate accounts to cheap to go with Verizon. This is who he thinks Apple is going to sell iPhones to ?
It's always 'next year' ... sigh.
What I was trying to say, was that one way or another verizon iPhone rumors have been circulating since 2007 and we still havnt seen one yet.
I thought it was impossible to do voice/data at the same time on CDMA?
Sure, the rumors have been circulating for awhile, but if folks bothered actually paying attention to the rumors (and weeding out the obviously stupid ones), for the past couple of years nearly all of the rumors have pointed to the end of 2010 as when the Verizon phone would come. Too many people heard the rumors and assumed they meant it would be just around the corner without actually reading the whole rumor. And when it didn't come true just assumed the rumor was untrue (vs that they just didn't understand the rumor in the first place).
All of the even mildly credible rumors took into account the technology roadmaps that come into play. One of the which addresses the myth that it is impossible for CDMA to do simultaneous voice and data. But it's been known for over a year that the hardware required to allow this was to become available in the 3rd quarter of 2010. Myself and others have repeatedly pointed this out here and elsewhere, but people ignored it because it didn't fit into their view of reality that Apple would "never" make a Verizon iPhone. And if simultaneous voice/data was possible that took away their #1 reason why Verizon wouldn't get the iPhone. So they ignore the facts in order to debunk the rumor.
I've stated repeatedly, and been criticized for it, there is NO technological reason for Apple to not create a Verizon iPhone. The business decision to form a partnership with Verizon (and currently the manufacturing capacity) is the only thing preventing it from happening...and all in the timeframe of most of the rumors that have come up in the last year or so...namely the end of 2010/early 2011.
May be the CDMA iPhone is for China Mobile, which has 559M subscribers, although most of them are still in 2G, but if only 10% get iPhone, it is over 55M subscribers, equal to 60% of Verizon subscribers.
Why not china mobile AND verizon?
Did you even READ the story??? My guess is no based on your question...try reading the story again
Of course, I read the story. How else would I have formed a question based on the stories contents? I have always read here (and elsewhere) voice/data wasn't possible on CDMA. And, as far as I can tell, it still isn't possible currently because the networks need some sort of update to make it happen?! So why would this rumor make this statement if, currently, voice/data on CDMA isn't possible? So they plan on making the network update then release the IP4 for Verizon on an untested network? If you don't have something positive to contribute, then just keep your thoughts to yourself.
Oh, this time Android is doomed
Verizon is quasi-publicly negotiating with apple to get more cash and other concessions out of Google. Remember, Google is what a casino would call a "whale." Apple has lots of cash, too, but Steve makes money from hardware, not ads (presently) and isn't in the philanthropy business, as your wallets may have noticed. Google's cash is worth more to VZW than Apple's because (1) Google will pay more/take less per handset because they are at a disadvantage, and (2) Verizon has EVERY REASON IN THE WORLD to want two platforms to battle against each other, rather than invite the death grip of a platform monopoly.
Maybe Apple will and their exclusivity, maybe not, or maybe they will dabble in CDMA abroad. All feasible. But for now, Android isn't ready to be taken off life support.
Of course, I read the story. How else would I have formed a question based on the stories contents? I have always read here (and elsewhere) voice/data wasn't possible on CDMA. And, as far as I can tell, it still isn't possible currently because the networks need some sort of update to make it happen?! So why would this rumor make this statement if, currently, voice/data on CDMA isn't possible? So they plan on making the network update then release the IP4 for Verizon on an untested network? If you don't have something positive to contribute, then just keep your thoughts to yourself.
The network protocols of CDMA are not setup to do both simutaniously. There was talk to revise the protocols to allow, but most likely will need to wait until LTE is deploy.
The network protocols of CDMA are not setup to do both simutaniously. There was talk to revise the protocols to allow, but most likely will need to wait until LTE is deploy.
SVDO has been possible for a year now and if the networks have been upgraded, this is the quarter we would be seeing the results. I posted a link about SVDO above
I haven't heard the fat lady sing yet on this deal...
I'm not even sure I hear her humming.
We can all relax about this, because it isn't going to happen for a while.
And you know this how?
But for now, Android isn't ready to be taken off life support.
What world are you living in?
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...es_iphone.html
"From AAPL's perspective, the debate is whether it makes sense to roll out an interim CDMA iPhone sometime in 2011 or perhaps wait until LTE becomes more available in 2012," Wu wrote.
Rumor is that Pegatron has a done deal to build a CDMA iPhone. They will have to go somewhere. If a deal with Verizon doesn't get made, Apple could make deals with Sprint in the US, or, better yet, China Telecom, KDDI in Japan, and/or CAT Telecom in Thailand, among others in Asia. Gaining Asian mindshare is more important long-term, anyway.
That said, Sprint's network is underrated, especially for business travelers, and they offer great prices. A TMobile iPhone is a mild modification away. Both would be great iPhone carriers.
One if the rumored issues is that Verizon wants their logo on the iPhone. I have a compromise solution: make every Verizon iPhone a ProductRed version. That way, a Verizon logo won't be needed, but Verizon still gets recognized on the street, and AIDS research gets a boost. Win-win.
He goes on to say that T-mobile and Sprint have a subscriber base that approaches Verizon. What he doesn't say that a huge percentage of Sprint's base are prepaid customers through their various brands and much of T-mobile's base are corporate accounts to cheap to go with Verizon. This is who he thinks Apple is going to sell iPhones to ?
People switching from AT&T, to start. Also, there are some people on those two networks who are interested in the iPhone. Apple could make considerable money off of them. Not as much as Verizon, but still a lot of money.
On top of that, there are supply issues. Apple has been having so much trouble keeping up with the current demand, that a new factory is being built specifically to build GSM iPhones (it won't be ready 'til next year). I've heard rumors that Pegatron will be able to make 10 million CDMA iPhones a year, in a third factory. If Verizon gets the iPhone, they could sell that many in the first month.