Since you are not into "shoot as many as you can before they shoot you games", why do you care if there are not many?
My bad, I was in a hurry writing on iPhone - I changed the post a bit. I was pointing to the offers for Mac - when you browse those games most of them are shooters and I hate non-brain run&shoot games where the only purpose of the game is to kill all others. F.e. I would like to see Mafia 2 for Mac on Steam... I would buy that right now. I will have to install Wirus on my iMac to be able to play it. :-(
I have a Power Mac G5 (dual 2.0 ghz) from 2004. Not a problem for what is now six years. It is currently my full time desktop computer. Meanwhile my iMac from 2007 (Snow Leopard) is slow (surprisingly slower than my PowerMac with PPC leopard). I'm convinced that Mac Pro is the best bang for your buck if you don't (want to) buy machines often.
I plan to buy a Mac Pro when this one finally dies.
Are you talking about the general feeling of speed? I honestly think this is down to the HDD... your G5 probably has RAID, or at least a very fast disk interface. The iMac is basically a laptop in a big screen with a single and cheap full sized disk.
My home built PC feels a LOT faster than any iMac I have used (it's an AMD, but has RAID0)... but I recently plopped an SSD in my 4 year old MacBook and it feels faster than anything I've ever used.
I certainly don't game on my MacBook Pro, it runs way too hot.
For those of you playing on your MacBook Pro, how hot does it get? With mine (Mid-2007, 2.4GHz), playing about any type of game will have the processor temp hit around 207-209°. Naturally Apple says that there's nothing wrong with that temperature, but with the fans whining and the heat I feel while using the keyboard (nothing is too hot to touch on the case, but dang, it gets warm), I just don't game on my MBP.
So, I don't really game that much, although I'd like to...
I guess you didn't catch on to the fact that my comment was mimicking Steve Ballmer's comments about the iPhone not being "a very good email machine".
OS X runs games just fine.
Depends on your standards then; if you only need to have a few older Valve games (or what ever else has been ported to OpenGL), and can accept lower framerates than the Windows counterparts, even on the same HW, then OSX runs games just fine.
Are you talking about the general feeling of speed? I honestly think this is down to the HDD... your G5 probably has RAID, or at least a very fast disk interface. The iMac is basically a laptop in a big screen with a single and cheap full sized disk.
My home built PC feels a LOT faster than any iMac I have used (it's an AMD, but has RAID0)... but I recently plopped an SSD in my 4 year old MacBook and it feels faster than anything I've ever used.
Nah no RAID.. just a 130 GB SATA drive (original!).
Depends on your standards then; if you only need to have a few older Valve games (or what ever else has been ported to OpenGL), and can accept lower framerates than the Windows counterparts, even on the same HW, then OSX runs games just fine.
I only look at Steam on OSX as a bonus or curiosity at this point, at least until Apple gets serious about GPUs and video drivers.
The ”Apple Snow Leopard Graphics Update 1.0” seem to have sped things up quite a bit (in Valve games at least). At least it did for me (have a Radeon HD 4890 graphics card).
Maybe we've got a different definition of fine. At 1680×1050, I get around 10-15 fps when the action gets busy.
I'm convinced that Apple authorized and is aiding Steam (an App-Store equivalent on Mac territory!) simply because Steam can help sell Mac Desktops (Mac laptops sell themselves).
As a Mac-only household, and coming back the gaming scene with the advent of StarCraft 2, Half-Life and Portal this year (all awesome titles), I'm beginning to see that my MBP 13" is capable but not quite comfortable when running 3D games (ie, say as opposed to puzzle/word/platformers).
I'm seriously considering a bootcamp partition or iMac now that it's clear that I want flowing framerates of at least 30-40 at peak activity (which just isn't the case with the MBP 13").
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the 13 year old in me wants to call you a n00b for being a casual.
macbook pro...get starcraft 2!!! i wish my old macbook would run it.
Oh no! I don't find time. I go out with MBP for work. So no games at work!
But, but, Macs don't run DirectX which makes it not a very good gaming machine.
This may explain why the iPhone and PlayStation and Wii all suck as gaming hardware.
Since you are not into "shoot as many as you can before they shoot you games", why do you care if there are not many?
My bad, I was in a hurry writing on iPhone - I changed the post a bit. I was pointing to the offers for Mac - when you browse those games most of them are shooters and I hate non-brain run&shoot games where the only purpose of the game is to kill all others. F.e. I would like to see Mafia 2 for Mac on Steam... I would buy that right now. I will have to install Wirus on my iMac to be able to play it. :-(
Of course the number of people logging on has dropped, I can't think of a single high profile game release since Team Fortress 2.
Start releasing decent games and people will start logging in.
Left 4 Dead?
I have a Power Mac G5 (dual 2.0 ghz) from 2004. Not a problem for what is now six years. It is currently my full time desktop computer. Meanwhile my iMac from 2007 (Snow Leopard) is slow (surprisingly slower than my PowerMac with PPC leopard). I'm convinced that Mac Pro is the best bang for your buck if you don't (want to) buy machines often.
I plan to buy a Mac Pro when this one finally dies.
Are you talking about the general feeling of speed? I honestly think this is down to the HDD... your G5 probably has RAID, or at least a very fast disk interface. The iMac is basically a laptop in a big screen with a single and cheap full sized disk.
My home built PC feels a LOT faster than any iMac I have used (it's an AMD, but has RAID0)... but I recently plopped an SSD in my 4 year old MacBook and it feels faster than anything I've ever used.
But, but, Macs don't run DirectX which makes it not a very good gaming machine.
Right. They support OpenGL instead which is supposed to be better than DirectX.
Right. They support OpenGL instead which is supposed to be better than DirectX.
If the original game was written in OpenGL, which most aren't and if Apple has an up to date an optimized version of OGL in OSX which they do not.
For those of you playing on your MacBook Pro, how hot does it get? With mine (Mid-2007, 2.4GHz), playing about any type of game will have the processor temp hit around 207-209°. Naturally Apple says that there's nothing wrong with that temperature, but with the fans whining and the heat I feel while using the keyboard (nothing is too hot to touch on the case, but dang, it gets warm), I just don't game on my MBP.
So, I don't really game that much, although I'd like to...
I guess you didn't catch on to the fact that my comment was mimicking Steve Ballmer's comments about the iPhone not being "a very good email machine".
OS X runs games just fine.
Depends on your standards then; if you only need to have a few older Valve games (or what ever else has been ported to OpenGL), and can accept lower framerates than the Windows counterparts, even on the same HW, then OSX runs games just fine.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3759/m...r-than-windows
I only look at Steam on OSX as a bonus or curiosity at this point, at least until Apple gets serious about GPUs and video drivers.
Are you talking about the general feeling of speed? I honestly think this is down to the HDD... your G5 probably has RAID, or at least a very fast disk interface. The iMac is basically a laptop in a big screen with a single and cheap full sized disk.
My home built PC feels a LOT faster than any iMac I have used (it's an AMD, but has RAID0)... but I recently plopped an SSD in my 4 year old MacBook and it feels faster than anything I've ever used.
Nah no RAID.. just a 130 GB SATA drive (original!).
Depends on your standards then; if you only need to have a few older Valve games (or what ever else has been ported to OpenGL), and can accept lower framerates than the Windows counterparts, even on the same HW, then OSX runs games just fine.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3759/m...r-than-windows
I only look at Steam on OSX as a bonus or curiosity at this point, at least until Apple gets serious about GPUs and video drivers.
The ”Apple Snow Leopard Graphics Update 1.0” seem to have sped things up quite a bit (in Valve games at least). At least it did for me (have a Radeon HD 4890 graphics card).
http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id...raphics-update
More on the update on the News page for Steam: http://store.steampowered.com/news/4211/
There's more that can be done to improve performance, but it seems it's going in the right direction.
Maybe we've got a different definition of fine.
I'm convinced that Apple authorized and is aiding Steam (an App-Store equivalent on Mac territory!) simply because Steam can help sell Mac Desktops (Mac laptops sell themselves).
As a Mac-only household, and coming back the gaming scene with the advent of StarCraft 2, Half-Life and Portal this year (all awesome titles), I'm beginning to see that my MBP 13" is capable but not quite comfortable when running 3D games (ie, say as opposed to puzzle/word/platformers).
I'm seriously considering a bootcamp partition or iMac now that it's clear that I want flowing framerates of at least 30-40 at peak activity (which just isn't the case with the MBP 13").