iPod touch represents 38% of iOS devices sold by Apple

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  • Reply 21 of 37
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post


    The design distinction was deliberate. They want to have two distinct hand held lines.



    Why do they want two distinct brands now when in the past they made the Touch look like a skinny iPhone? What changed?
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  • Reply 22 of 37
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    Originally Posted by asdasd View Post


    Android phones need to more than double the iPhone sales per quarter to keep pace with iPods, iPhones and iPads.






    Why would you compare phone sales to MP3 player sales?
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  • Reply 23 of 37
    brucepbrucep Posts: 2,823member
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    Originally Posted by striker_kk View Post


    Differentiation. I think that's a give-away



    HUH ?? i love the new hobbit like 4 T- eye-touch..



    but what happened form factor higher storage stuff steve promised us ???



    the crippled nano

    the frozen 160g classic

    the idiot proof shuffle .



    the damn whole in the pod loine up is HUGE !!!!!!!!



    NANO PHONE TIME ???



    yea right





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  • Reply 24 of 37
    brucepbrucep Posts: 2,823member
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    Originally Posted by Carmissimo View Post


    What I had been hoping was that Apple would separate the Touch a little from the iPhone by bringing out a larger screen. I like the Touch I own from a couple of generations ago. Great for gaming, convenient form factor, handy for quick note taking, etc. But as a browser, well, it's not so great.



    Still, I suppose that it's not such a bad scenario still using the Touch as I have been and a few months from now buying a second-gen iPad. The iPad will be handy for browsing when I'm puttering around the house and its portable enough for me to use in some situations where I'm now using the Touch, like when out on visits.



    If there is a complaint re the iPad, it's that it's heavy for extended use. That will change in time as Apple engineers progressively more weight out of the product.



    Seems to me that if Apple has kept the Touch in its iPhone-like state at the price-point it is slotted in, we're not likely to see a model slide in between the Touch and the iPad. As competition ramps up, I anticipate the iPad coming down somewhat in price in response. As such the gap between the Touch and iPad in pricing is likely to narrow.



    There's no incentive for Apple to release a 7" iPad. Looks like other companies right now are going to offer 7" devices costing more than the 9.7" iPad. That works dramatically in Apple's favour, especially if Version 2 of the next iPad is lighter.



    I could easily imagine lots of folks owning both a Touch/iPhone along with an iPad. Two devices better for specific scenarios as opposed to a 7" device that is not as good as either at certain scenarios. If a basic Touch plus an iPad checks in at roughly the same price as some other manufacturer's 7" tablet, going with the Apple tandem is a no-brainer. The Touch is so convenient sitting in one's pocket that it would be quite easy to take along both.



    By pricing the iPad as aggressively as Apple has, the company has effectively shut the door on the competition. Working in combination with a rather impressive Touch, Apple has a lot of bases covered.



    dude i hear you!!!!!!!!!

    i wish you worked for apple full time dude



    great post as usual





    peace dude



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  • Reply 25 of 37
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
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    Originally Posted by Newtron View Post


    Why would you compare phone sales to MP3 player sales?





    Neither are just Mp3 players or Phones. They are computer devices with phone and mp3 player functionality. In fact the iPhone has all the capabilities of the iPod touch and telephony, so you may as well call it a MP3 player. In fact Jobs introduced it as such at launch ( it also preceded the touch of course). As well as a internet surfing device. It is also a handheld computer.



    When people compare Android sales to iPhone sales they are comparing an OS sold across different machines to a phone; a platform to a phone. In terms of market reach that is not really what we care about. A games developer who is developing for the touch is also developing for the iPhone.



    Comparing Android - the platform - with iPhone - the phone - is misleading. Android sales - all confined to phones for now - need to be compared to iOS sales, including iPod touches. Given the strength of the iPod touch market, anything else is misleading.
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  • Reply 26 of 37
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    Originally Posted by Newtron View Post


    The new Touch looks great. But I was very surprised that they kept the old form factor. I expected the new one to look like a skinny iP4.



    Anybody else surprised that Apple used the older styling instead of the cool new look?



    I was somewhat surprised, but given the production troubles they are having with iPhone4, it makes sense. I was *definitely* surprised by the Retina Display, because I thought that was the problem with making enough iPhone4s. Looks like it has to do with the glass engineering or something like that...?
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  • Reply 27 of 37
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    Originally Posted by Newtron View Post


    Why do they want two distinct brands now when in the past they made the Touch look like a skinny iPhone? What changed?



    I think the differentiation is a by-product of "the fiasco" with iPhone4 production. Especially with Papermaster and how he may-or-may-not have helped.



    With iPod touch 4 and iPhone 4 being different, it helps their ramp up of production of the models. Interestingly, as I mention, there appears to be enough of the Retina Display to go around.



    At the end of the day, if you live in the US or UK, you perhaps find it hard to imagine, outside of the few launch countries, how crazy people *around the world are* about iPhone, iPad and new iPod touch. I'd wager Apple could do 20 million iOS devices a MONTH, if they had the infrastructure (manufacturing + support + operations + distributors etc) to do so. I think Apple will sell, in 2010, more iOS devices than they previously had in total before 2010.
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  • Reply 28 of 37
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post


    I think the differentiation is a by-product of "the fiasco" with iPhone4 production. Especially with Papermaster and how he may-or-may-not have helped.



    With iPod touch 4 and iPhone 4 being different, it helps their ramp up of production of the models. Interestingly, as I mention, there appears to be enough of the Retina Display to go around.



    At the end of the day, if you live in the US or UK, you perhaps find it hard to imagine, outside of the few launch countries, how crazy people *around the world are* about iPhone, iPad and new iPod touch. I'd wager Apple could do 20 million iOS devices a MONTH, if they had the infrastructure (manufacturing + support + operations + distributors etc) to do so. I think Apple will sell, in 2010, more iOS devices than they previously had in total before 2010.



    Even in the UK, it is at 60+%.



    Only in the US is Apple second dog in the modern smart phone war, and I have to feel that is something to do with AT&T.
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  • Reply 29 of 37
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by brucep View Post


    dude i hear you!!!!!!!!!

    i wish you worked for apple full time dude



    great post as usual





    peace dude



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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by brucep View Post


    HUH ?? i love the new hobbit like 4 T- eye-touch..



    but what happened form factor higher storage stuff steve promised us ???



    the crippled nano

    the frozen 160g classic

    the idiot proof shuffle .



    the damn whole in the pod loine up is HUGE !!!!!!!!



    NANO PHONE TIME ???



    yea right





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    WOW brucep it *almost*, *almost* sounded like you were actually being critical of Apple... LOL



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Carmissimo View Post


    What I had been hoping was that Apple would separate the Touch a little from the iPhone by bringing out a larger screen. I like the Touch I own from a couple of generations ago. Great for gaming, convenient form factor, handy for quick note taking, etc. But as a browser, well, it's not so great.



    Still, I suppose that it's not such a bad scenario still using the Touch as I have been and a few months from now buying a second-gen iPad. The iPad will be handy for browsing when I'm puttering around the house and its portable enough for me to use in some situations where I'm now using the Touch, like when out on visits.



    If there is a complaint re the iPad, it's that it's heavy for extended use. That will change in time as Apple engineers progressively more weight out of the product.



    Seems to me that if Apple has kept the Touch in its iPhone-like state at the price-point it is slotted in, we're not likely to see a model slide in between the Touch and the iPad. As competition ramps up, I anticipate the iPad coming down somewhat in price in response. As such the gap between the Touch and iPad in pricing is likely to narrow.



    There's no incentive for Apple to release a 7" iPad. Looks like other companies right now are going to offer 7" devices costing more than the 9.7" iPad. That works dramatically in Apple's favour, especially if Version 2 of the next iPad is lighter.



    I could easily imagine lots of folks owning both a Touch/iPhone along with an iPad. Two devices better for specific scenarios as opposed to a 7" device that is not as good as either at certain scenarios. If a basic Touch plus an iPad checks in at roughly the same price as some other manufacturer's 7" tablet, going with the Apple tandem is a no-brainer. The Touch is so convenient sitting in one's pocket that it would be quite easy to take along both.



    By pricing the iPad as aggressively as Apple has, the company has effectively shut the door on the competition. Working in combination with a rather impressive Touch, Apple has a lot of bases covered.



    The line up, along with AppleTV is pretty tight, going into 2011. iPhone 4, iPad, iPod touch, AppleTV, Macs. iPhone 5 in 2011. It's all about manufacturing and maintaining quality of product, services and support right now. Target: 20 million iOS devices a month. Next up though, iPad version 2 with FaceTime and other thingys. Capacity increases only next year, I think. Apple right now is making some nice profits off the huge prepayments they made for all that Flash memory in bulk... Imagine, they knew back then the iPad would be flash-memory based.



    Bring on October to November, Apple's best quarter ever, yet again.
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  • Reply 30 of 37
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    ...Only in the US is Apple second dog in the modern smart phone war, and I have to feel that is something to do with AT&T.



    Possibly, but it looks like even in the US, we're now into 3 months or so since launch, and the iPhone4 is still showing 3 week shipping time online, and no white iPhone4 at all... All this even with the ball-and-chain that is AT&T. I don't know, maybe Apple online store and Apple physical Stores are different from AT&T iPhone4 availability. Apple is just one company, it will be tough to face so many other competitors and their Android phones... Apple has to decide on their manufacturing capacity, how fast and if and when and how they are going to really start delivering tons of iOS units into the hands of demanding customers.



    Partly I hope this doesn't result in terrible (more so than usual?) working conditions in China.



    BTW how come we don't hear, among this, all the terrible working conditions in China brought about by all the Android phones....?
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  • Reply 31 of 37
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post


    Possibly, but it looks like even in the US, we're now into 3 months or so since launch, and the iPhone4 is still showing 3 week shipping time online, and no white iPhone4 at all... All this even with the ball-and-chain that is AT&T. I don't know, maybe Apple online store and Apple physical Stores are different from AT&T iPhone4 availability. Apple is just one company, it will be tough to face so many other competitors and their Android phones... Apple has to decide on their manufacturing capacity, how fast and if and when and how they are going to really start delivering tons of iOS units into the hands of demanding customers.



    Partly I hope this doesn't result in terrible (more so than usual?) working conditions in China.



    BTW how come we don't hear, among this, all the terrible working conditions in China brought about by all the Android phones....?



    Dunno. Remember that the Chinese are seeing their wages increase substantially more than the West because of out-sourcing.



    But the outsourcing is good for Apple. Supply constraints would have been more pronounced in the 80's when Apple manufactured it's own stuff, now nobody does. The business model is totally different.
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  • Reply 32 of 37
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post


    The line up, along with AppleTV is pretty tight, going into 2011. iPhone 4, iPad, iPod touch, AppleTV, Macs. iPhone 5 in 2011. It's all about manufacturing and maintaining quality of product, services and support right now. Target: 20 million iOS devices a month. Next up though, iPad version 2 with FaceTime and other thingys. Capacity increases only next year, I think. Apple right now is making some nice profits off the huge prepayments they made for all that Flash memory in bulk... Imagine, they knew back then the iPad would be flash-memory based.



    Bring on October to November, Apple's best quarter ever, yet again.



    I don't agree that the iPad Version 2 that we'll get early next year will involve mainly adding a couple of features and upping memory. Apple has been successful with the iPod line because they have kept on upping the ante. Jobs made a reference to that in his recent presentation.



    Being as the iPad has been an amazing success, competitors are scrambling to get in on the action. As such, Apple can't be complacent. If there is room for improvement, they have to be all over it, especially the first few years when the tablet category will be defined.



    I see room for higher screen resolution, less weight, more processing power, better battery life, more memory. I don't think Apple will mess with the basic formula, i.e. a device sporting a screen roughly in the 10-inch range. But there's no reason for Apple to bring out a revision with insignificant upgrades. Apple wants to serve up a moving target for the competition to contend with. Always a step or two ahead. Never caught. Certainly never giving any competitor the chance to be more highly regarded.



    It seems to me that it's as if Apple let competitors make fools of themselves, disappointing customers with rather flawed netbooks and now has stepped in to show us all how it should be done. Certainly one gets the impression that the competition simply hasn't figured out one of the key elements of Apple's success, namely customer satisfaction after purchasing an Apple product. It isn't enough to entice consumers to buy one of your products. To be successful, you have to ensure that once they have, they're glad they did.
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  • Reply 33 of 37
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
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    Originally Posted by Newtron View Post


    "Apple?s iPhone was the fourth most popular smartphone platform by worldwide sales in the second quarter, according to the latest data from Gartner"



    http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/new...rtphone-sales/





    Nokia doesnt matter. What matters is the "modern" smart phone, the iPhone and it's clones, the smart phone i am talking about has a large app market. This matters as I am a developer.
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  • Reply 34 of 37
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Newtron View Post


    The iTouch is primarily a PMP.



    The iPhone is a smartphone. Every Android device currently on the market is a smartphone.



    You are welcome to identify this stuff using any strings of letters that you wish. But those who use words as they are typically used might demure.



    Apples and oranges are both fruit, but they are generally cited as different in kind. You can combine them with Big Macs and call them all nutrition if that adds clarity, but in general, that sort of thing reduces clarity.



    Yawn.



    Unless someone wants to use the telephony stack , or GPS rather than triangulation, producing for the iPhone and the iPod touch is exactly the same. Same code. Same resources. Same everything. Same app store. Same distribution channel. Same company which distributes the apps. Same percentage taken by that company. So a game would have the same code and resources.



    So the iOS in total is the platform. Android is a platform. The iPhone is a device which is one of the devices running the iPhone platform.
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  • Reply 35 of 37
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Newtron View Post


    Oh. The "modern" smartphone. Please excuse me for not really knowing WTF you mean by that adjective. Seemingly, Nokia smartphones are not "modern".



    Tell ya what - look at the N8 and get back to us.



    Lol. Let me explain. I am a mobile developer.



    Modern means a modern OS - not Symbian. I dont care about the telephony. I produce applications. The SDK matters. The OS matters.



    The competitors in this field are the iPhone and Android. Nokia is an after- thought. Which is why their stock is collapsing even as they keep their head above water in terms of sales.
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  • Reply 36 of 37
    newbeenewbee Posts: 2,055member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by asdasd View Post


    Even in the UK, it is at 60+%.



    Only in the US is Apple second dog in the modern smart phone war, and I have to feel that is something to do with AT&T.



    According to: http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_br...908-201008-bar



    iPhone is #1 in North American mobile browsers and iPod Touch is #3 with Blackberry at #2. (aug 09-aug 10)



    My bad ... it looks like the time frame is 1 day, not 1 year .... time to wipe off my glasses.
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  • Reply 37 of 37
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    Originally Posted by Newtron View Post


    The iTouch is primarily a PMP.

    The iPhone is a smartphone. Every Android device currently on the market is a smartphone.



    Not really; there are already several Android PMP out there:



    http://www.archos.com/products/ta/ar...try=gb&lang=en



    http://pulse.philips.com/blog/2010/0...id-mp4-player/



    Whether it's useful to include the PMP into the iOS or Android discussion depends on the context of what is being discussed. But certainly for overall comparison all devices should be considered.
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