I too fiind it quite disappointing that Apple chose to eliminate more than 50% of the features of the 5th generation (e.g. video capture/playback, contacts, games, etc.) all just to reduce the display to a mere 1.54 inches (what is this 2005?) and incorporate multi-touch capabilities that answers a question no one ever asked of any previous Apple Nano.
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Originally Posted by Orlando
Maybe Apple has found that the people who want "video capture/playback, contacts, games, etc" on their iPods buy the iPod touch / iPhone, whilst the modern iPod nano customer is pretty much only interested in playing music.
I had my Nano for almost a year now. Outside of the first few days of toying with the features, I have never since used it for the video camera, watch videos, or to do the other features. I just use it for portable music that holds more than the shuffle but smaller than an iPod Touch. I think Apple realized that too and simply did away with it. Apple is good at removing things that it thinks consumers won't/don't use.
Sure, it will upset that vocal 1%, but that's just the way it is. Keeping the price the same even though it has 1/2 the "features" is arguable of course, but the new design, touch-screen, can be considered an offset to that.
I love the new nano, but I think it should have been branded as a new iPod, the iPod nano should have continued in its 5th gen form but with double the storage and maybe Bluetooth.
I think the new Touch is amazing. If you're logged in to a base station it's as good as a cellphone right? I mean with the Facetime.
And you don't have a cellphone contract which are the most complex contracts in the world with minutes and half-minutes and 50 hidden clauses. G*d d*mn the phone companies and their shenanigans. Yes, I have been drinking.
I Had To Cancel Joining Ping When I Learned You Have To Relinquish Your iTunes Reviews Nickname if you join. I have almost 300 reviews up there under the name FutureMedia and I'm not willing to give up my review nickname to join Ping. Stupid rule.
Says who? I'm online with ping using my existing nickname.
Says who? I'm online with ping using my existing nickname.
It said I would no longer be able to use my established iTunes Nickname and would only be able to use my real name in any future reviews in the membership agreement when I tried to join September 2. But I did lodge a complaint through the feedback system so maybe they dropped that rule since then. So you can post reviews under your old Nickname and not your real name?
Garbage... complete garbage. GUI is screwy and remarkably un-Apple like.
The nail in the coffin is that it only works with music you have purchased from iTunes... not content in your iTunes library.
Blech... worst feature ever!
Apple by contract with the artists/producers only have the right to deal with songs in their iTunes store. Whether or not you rated, reviewed or purchased, i.e., "licensed"*, them via the iTunes store, not have/acquired/bought on a DVD, CD, vinyl, etc., from other sources.
As a federal appeals court ruled last Friday,
Quote:
ITunes Songs Aren?t Purchased but ?Licensed,? Court Rules*
?a federal appeals court in San Francisco on Friday ruled that songs downloaded from Apple?s iTunes store are not actually purchased, but are rather ?licensed??
I too fiind it quite disappointing that Apple chose to eliminate more than 50% of the features of the 5th generation (e.g. video capture/playback, contacts, games, etc.) all just to reduce the display to a mere 1.54 inches (what is this 2005?) and incorporate multi-touch capabilities that answers a question no one ever asked of any previous Apple Nano.
Much as the 3rd generation was a serious misstep for its awkward form-factor, this one fails to equal its predecessor in any practical way, yet it's the same price - Not Good.
the nano had to not be selling well, otherwise why drop the features? i for one like the new nano (or hope i do once it actually arrives) as a replacement for my old shuffle.
I find it hard to believe that people are complaining about the cut corners Apple has to do with the iPod touch. The iPhone is an $800 device. If they kept the same screen, same camera, etc, and didn't reduce the magnitude of numbers on things (like viewing angle and CCD pixels), then the iPod touch would easily be twice or more in price.
I love the new nano, but I think it should have been branded as a new iPod, the iPod nano should have continued in its 5th gen form but with double the storage and maybe Bluetooth.
thats a good idea. why not drop the shuffle and make the new nano the 'base' model.
The Nano is cut down so there's an easier decision to make between it and the real money maker, the Touch.
I'm disappointed with Ping and haven't even turned it on, I knew it wasn't ready. It's a "hobby" - Apple cares not one bit about your social life, they're just trying to find new ways to monetize. If they really cared about your social / music life they would have been a bit more conservative on the rules, I mean liberal, I mean conserv...
When I heard the rumors, I was skeptical. Then I saw the product, and I was impressed. That said, I still hold that the current Nano should really replace the Shuffle as the budget player, and bring back the 5th Nano, but add a still camera, wifi access to iTunes and Calendar sync and leave it be. There are uses for the touch screen but there are also uses for the wheel as well. Going completely touch in the ipod line (IMO) would be a mistake.
Although when they take away 1/2 the features, one would think that price-point would go down too. But that's not Apple's way. If they call it the iPod Nano, it will be set at the pre-established price of the Nano; which i think is BS.
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Originally Posted by sflocal
I had my Nano for almost a year now. Outside of the first few days of toying with the features, I have never since used it for the video camera, watch videos, or to do the other features. I just use it for portable music that holds more than the shuffle but smaller than an iPod Touch. I think Apple realized that too and simply did away with it. Apple is good at removing things that it thinks consumers won't/don't use.
Sure, it will upset that vocal 1%, but that's just the way it is. Keeping the price the same even though it has 1/2 the "features" is arguable of course, but the new design, touch-screen, can be considered an offset to that.
Garbage... complete garbage. GUI is screwy and remarkably un-Apple like.
The nail in the coffin is that it only works with music you have purchased from iTunes... not content in your iTunes library.
Blech... worst feature ever!
I had a vast CD collection, mostly folk/pop/rock when iTunes first appeared and to this day that is the contents of my iTunes library with the exception of two albums I purchased, both of the folk / rock persuasion. Yet all the suggestions I got were of people from completely different musical genres such as Lady Gaga. I quit it too as it clearly wasn't looking at my collection.
I suspect Ping aimed at the young iPod users that live for social media and intended to aid sales of their music. I also quit FaceBook a while back as I found it totally creepy. I am happy with e-mail and MobileMe galleries to share with those I wish to. To be honest 'being followed' has no appeal to me. I must be lacking in some psychological factor such as narcissism.
Apple by contract with the artists/producers only have the right to deal with songs in their iTunes store. Whether or not you rated, reviewed or purchased, i.e., "licensed"*, them via the iTunes store, not have/acquired/bought on a DVD, CD, vinyl, etc., from other sources.
Your comment was in reference to a poster's comment that Ping ignored his own ripped collection. I maybe wrong but don't see this has anything to do with using your content that wasn't purchased to ascertain your likes and dislikes and therefore who you might like to follow. In fact it would make more sense to correctly figure out your taste accurately. The Genius feature works perfectly on my entire ripped CD collection so iTune is already looking at the rest of the material in there.
1. It would be really easy to spot illegal downloaders via Ping, as law enforcement agencies would just need to look for the people with over 20000 songs in their iTunes libraries. Chances are, those folks would neither have purchased all of those songs, nor have physical CDs in their homes to back up that they're not all stolen.
Yet Genius works with all music in your iTunes as does cover art.
I would have thought sussing out your taste in ripped music (legal or otherwise) makes sense if trying to sell to you, be it concert tickets or new music.
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I too fiind it quite disappointing that Apple chose to eliminate more than 50% of the features of the 5th generation (e.g. video capture/playback, contacts, games, etc.) all just to reduce the display to a mere 1.54 inches (what is this 2005?) and incorporate multi-touch capabilities that answers a question no one ever asked of any previous Apple Nano.
Maybe Apple has found that the people who want "video capture/playback, contacts, games, etc" on their iPods buy the iPod touch / iPhone, whilst the modern iPod nano customer is pretty much only interested in playing music.
I had my Nano for almost a year now. Outside of the first few days of toying with the features, I have never since used it for the video camera, watch videos, or to do the other features. I just use it for portable music that holds more than the shuffle but smaller than an iPod Touch. I think Apple realized that too and simply did away with it. Apple is good at removing things that it thinks consumers won't/don't use.
Sure, it will upset that vocal 1%, but that's just the way it is. Keeping the price the same even though it has 1/2 the "features" is arguable of course, but the new design, touch-screen, can be considered an offset to that.
My 2 cents.
And you don't have a cellphone contract which are the most complex contracts in the world with minutes and half-minutes and 50 hidden clauses. G*d d*mn the phone companies and their shenanigans. Yes, I have been drinking.
I had ping installed for all of 2 min.
Garbage... complete garbage. GUI is screwy and remarkably un-Apple like.
The nail in the coffin is that it only works with music you have purchased from iTunes... not content in your iTunes library.
Blech... worst feature ever!
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Your right, also with the rules, checks and forcement and constraint to their way.
I Had To Cancel Joining Ping When I Learned You Have To Relinquish Your iTunes Reviews Nickname if you join. I have almost 300 reviews up there under the name FutureMedia and I'm not willing to give up my review nickname to join Ping. Stupid rule.
Says who? I'm online with ping using my existing nickname.
Says who? I'm online with ping using my existing nickname.
It said I would no longer be able to use my established iTunes Nickname and would only be able to use my real name in any future reviews in the membership agreement when I tried to join September 2. But I did lodge a complaint through the feedback system so maybe they dropped that rule since then. So you can post reviews under your old Nickname and not your real name?
I had ping installed for all of 2 min.
Garbage... complete garbage. GUI is screwy and remarkably un-Apple like.
The nail in the coffin is that it only works with music you have purchased from iTunes... not content in your iTunes library.
Blech... worst feature ever!
Apple by contract with the artists/producers only have the right to deal with songs in their iTunes store. Whether or not you rated, reviewed or purchased, i.e., "licensed"*, them via the iTunes store, not have/acquired/bought on a DVD, CD, vinyl, etc., from other sources.
As a federal appeals court ruled last Friday,
ITunes Songs Aren?t Purchased but ?Licensed,? Court Rules*
?a federal appeals court in San Francisco on Friday ruled that songs downloaded from Apple?s iTunes store are not actually purchased, but are rather ?licensed??
http://online.wsj.com/public/resourc...0eminemdec.pdf
*http://voices.allthingsd.com/2010090...d-court-rules/
I too fiind it quite disappointing that Apple chose to eliminate more than 50% of the features of the 5th generation (e.g. video capture/playback, contacts, games, etc.) all just to reduce the display to a mere 1.54 inches (what is this 2005?) and incorporate multi-touch capabilities that answers a question no one ever asked of any previous Apple Nano.
Much as the 3rd generation was a serious misstep for its awkward form-factor, this one fails to equal its predecessor in any practical way, yet it's the same price - Not Good.
the nano had to not be selling well, otherwise why drop the features? i for one like the new nano (or hope i do once it actually arrives) as a replacement for my old shuffle.
I love the new nano, but I think it should have been branded as a new iPod, the iPod nano should have continued in its 5th gen form but with double the storage and maybe Bluetooth.
thats a good idea. why not drop the shuffle and make the new nano the 'base' model.
I'm disappointed with Ping and haven't even turned it on, I knew it wasn't ready. It's a "hobby" - Apple cares not one bit about your social life, they're just trying to find new ways to monetize. If they really cared about your social / music life they would have been a bit more conservative on the rules, I mean liberal, I mean conserv...
however, i squeezed the last keynote into convenient 180 seconds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUUnqP5RiBI -- have fun! ;-)
I had my Nano for almost a year now. Outside of the first few days of toying with the features, I have never since used it for the video camera, watch videos, or to do the other features. I just use it for portable music that holds more than the shuffle but smaller than an iPod Touch. I think Apple realized that too and simply did away with it. Apple is good at removing things that it thinks consumers won't/don't use.
Sure, it will upset that vocal 1%, but that's just the way it is. Keeping the price the same even though it has 1/2 the "features" is arguable of course, but the new design, touch-screen, can be considered an offset to that.
My 2 cents.
I had ping installed for all of 2 min.
Garbage... complete garbage. GUI is screwy and remarkably un-Apple like.
The nail in the coffin is that it only works with music you have purchased from iTunes... not content in your iTunes library.
Blech... worst feature ever!
I had a vast CD collection, mostly folk/pop/rock when iTunes first appeared and to this day that is the contents of my iTunes library with the exception of two albums I purchased, both of the folk / rock persuasion. Yet all the suggestions I got were of people from completely different musical genres such as Lady Gaga. I quit it too as it clearly wasn't looking at my collection.
I suspect Ping aimed at the young iPod users that live for social media and intended to aid sales of their music. I also quit FaceBook a while back as I found it totally creepy. I am happy with e-mail and MobileMe galleries to share with those I wish to. To be honest 'being followed' has no appeal to me. I must be lacking in some psychological factor such as narcissism.
Edit: the new one might make a great watch... Too bad Apple hasn't adopted Kleer technology, yet.
If it had a way to put a strap through it, I'd buy one right now. Maybe even a couple of different colors. Look out, Swatch......
I had ping installed for all of 2 min.
Garbage... complete garbage. GUI is screwy ....
Ping? Ding.
Apple by contract with the artists/producers only have the right to deal with songs in their iTunes store. Whether or not you rated, reviewed or purchased, i.e., "licensed"*, them via the iTunes store, not have/acquired/bought on a DVD, CD, vinyl, etc., from other sources.
As a federal appeals court ruled last Friday,
*http://voices.allthingsd.com/2010090...d-court-rules/
Your comment was in reference to a poster's comment that Ping ignored his own ripped collection. I maybe wrong but don't see this has anything to do with using your content that wasn't purchased to ascertain your likes and dislikes and therefore who you might like to follow. In fact it would make more sense to correctly figure out your taste accurately. The Genius feature works perfectly on my entire ripped CD collection so iTune is already looking at the rest of the material in there.
Says who? I'm online with ping using my existing nickname.
How? Did you have to change your iTunes name too, to match?
Please tell us.
The problem with doing it otherwise would be:
1. It would be really easy to spot illegal downloaders via Ping, as law enforcement agencies would just need to look for the people with over 20000 songs in their iTunes libraries. Chances are, those folks would neither have purchased all of those songs, nor have physical CDs in their homes to back up that they're not all stolen.
Yet Genius works with all music in your iTunes as does cover art.
I would have thought sussing out your taste in ripped music (legal or otherwise) makes sense if trying to sell to you, be it concert tickets or new music.