AirPort Extreme Base Station (AEBS) and Time Capsule (TC) are becoming 3rd citizens. Based on the information available so far, neither AirPlay nor AirPrint will recognize disks and printers connected to AEBS and TC.
Perhaps firmware update will bring these peripherals up to speed, but I suspect we'll see another hardware update to AEBS and TC, or entirely new version with beefier CPU and features.
With an airport printer, the Mac/PC are not the server, they are the client and the Airport is the print server. Yes, the client workstations have client side drivers, but in a traditional print server environment, so does the server. From a Windows perspective, the printing app talks to the client-side driver, which talks to the local spooler. The local spooler talks to the remote spooler on the print server through RPC calls, which uses the server-side print driver to do the printing. This is something I am unsure of with an Airport setup. I expect the airport has to have some print driver, though it is unlikely to have device specific drivers. I expect it will be some generic print driver, like the HP universal for PCL. If this is the case, the I expect it would be feasible for AirPrint to work with almost any Airport connected printer. It is all done over Bonjour with Airport printers.
The HP models mentioned in the announcement as working with AirPrint are likely models that support direct printing from iDevices, with no print server intermediary. Throw in a print server, like Airport, that itself can already (obviously) print to the connect printer and I expect almost any Airport connected printer should work, with necessary support put in place in a Airport update. Some exceptions, like printers that use interactive drivers (damn you Kodak!) might not work without proprietary client side drivers, which will not fly with the proposed Airprint model.
I was writing about printers shared from Macs and PCs, where the Mac or PC acts as a print server. I think, based on the wording I've seen describing AirPrint so far, which has been sparse, that this will require either some sort of "server" that supports AirPrint, or a printer with support built-in. So, a simple network connected printer doesn't seem like it's going to work. If an AirPort base station acts like a print server, then it could possibly work, but would probably require a firmware update. If it acts simply as a network interface for the printer, probably not.
This is looking proprietary to me, with ?partners? coming on board to support each other?s products, which is a little bit sad.
I'm not seeing that. The wording is a bit vague, but it sounds like it's meant to support any networked printer. I can't see much value in the feature if it applies only to a very limited class of printers.
I'm not seeing that. The wording is a bit vague, but it sounds like it's meant to support any networked printer. I can't see much value in the feature if it applies only to a very limited class of printers.
I can?t find any info on AirPrint being usable in other mobile devices or any other vendor other than HP, which appear to be working with Apple to get this new architecture working between devices. If it was an open source project wouldn?t it at least be stated as such the way they announced FaceTime as being open source during the iPhone 4 demo?
I can?t find any info on AirPrint being usable in other mobile devices or any other vendor other than HP, which appear to be working with Apple to get this new architecture working between devices. If it was an open source project wouldn?t it at least be stated as such the way they announced FaceTime as being open source during the iPhone 4 demo?
I doubt that it'll ever be open source. But, I imagine that Apple is more than willing to work with other printer manufacturers.
I can?t find any info on AirPrint being usable in other mobile devices or any other vendor other than HP, which appear to be working with Apple to get this new architecture working between devices. If it was an open source project wouldn?t it at least be stated as such the way they announced FaceTime as being open source during the iPhone 4 demo?
on whether Apple is implementing this using the Bonjour code - a hybrid, or a new code implementation for print services. HP was early in supporting Bonjour printing for Apple as a standard, with the rest of the printer makers slowly adding that in, so there could be some capacity there that is simply unannounced until they get it out of this version of beta. Given their previous work with Apple - HP would be a logical choice to partner with early on in the dev cycle. And yes - this wasn't announced as "open source"(TM), but could be another set of open standards that Apple will publish widely once refined to the correct level. And they would want to get this out there before HP builds out their first WebOS-driven tablets. The other PC makers have learned to anticipate Apple's incremental approach to adding features into devices, and will become more adept at anticipating them and speaking to them in their own releases. I mean even sheep get smarter around herding dogs over time. It requires Apple to stay nimble and agile in their development.
on whether Apple is implementing this using the Bonjour code - a hybrid, or a new code implementation for print services. HP was early in supporting Bonjour printing for Apple as a standard, with the rest of the printer makers slowly adding that in, so there could be some capacity there that is simply unannounced until they get it out of this version of beta. Given their previous work with Apple - HP would be a logical choice to partner with early on in the dev cycle. And yes - this wasn't announced as "open source"(TM), but could be another set of open standards that Apple will publish widely once refined to the correct level. And they would want to get this out there before HP builds out their first WebOS-driven tablets. The other PC makers have learned to anticipate Apple's incremental approach to adding features into devices, and will become more adept at anticipating them and speaking to them in their own releases. I mean even sheep get smarter around herding dogs over time. It requires Apple to stay nimble and agile in their development.
I look forward to the print feature. Although I probably would not use it that much, but when you need to print, you need it and I always seem to need right away.
Just curious - does android native print? Or is it in the app department? I guess what Im asking, is AirPrint and AirPlay etc really different than whats out there(and I do not know what that is), or just spiffed up existing stuff with some Apple marketing to it?
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Also, I remember using this on my old Palm: http://www.bachmannsoftware.com/pbprem.htm
Perhaps firmware update will bring these peripherals up to speed, but I suspect we'll see another hardware update to AEBS and TC, or entirely new version with beefier CPU and features.
With an airport printer, the Mac/PC are not the server, they are the client and the Airport is the print server. Yes, the client workstations have client side drivers, but in a traditional print server environment, so does the server. From a Windows perspective, the printing app talks to the client-side driver, which talks to the local spooler. The local spooler talks to the remote spooler on the print server through RPC calls, which uses the server-side print driver to do the printing. This is something I am unsure of with an Airport setup. I expect the airport has to have some print driver, though it is unlikely to have device specific drivers. I expect it will be some generic print driver, like the HP universal for PCL. If this is the case, the I expect it would be feasible for AirPrint to work with almost any Airport connected printer. It is all done over Bonjour with Airport printers.
The HP models mentioned in the announcement as working with AirPrint are likely models that support direct printing from iDevices, with no print server intermediary. Throw in a print server, like Airport, that itself can already (obviously) print to the connect printer and I expect almost any Airport connected printer should work, with necessary support put in place in a Airport update. Some exceptions, like printers that use interactive drivers (damn you Kodak!) might not work without proprietary client side drivers, which will not fly with the proposed Airprint model.
I was writing about printers shared from Macs and PCs, where the Mac or PC acts as a print server. I think, based on the wording I've seen describing AirPrint so far, which has been sparse, that this will require either some sort of "server" that supports AirPrint, or a printer with support built-in. So, a simple network connected printer doesn't seem like it's going to work. If an AirPort base station acts like a print server, then it could possibly work, but would probably require a firmware update. If it acts simply as a network interface for the printer, probably not.
Heretic! What sort of fanatical Apple cultist are you?
The Giordano Bruno kind.
The Mac OS X download will take another 24 minutes.
The 4.2 SDK download will take over 4 more hours.
It will be interesting to see how far I can get without the OS X update, and the SDK update.
I have a HP Deskjet 5700 on an AEX. I can print to it from the iPad using PrintBureau.
I'll post whenever I find out anything!
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When do we get AirScan?
I want AirSync.
When do we get AirScan? If someone gives me a sheet of paper, I'd rather scan it and throw it out.
The iPhone has had that feature for some time now.
That's my question too. I guess we'll have to wait and see. I also wonder how the heck they support a wide range of printers with no added drivers.
This is looking proprietary to me, with ?partners? coming on board to support each other?s products, which is a little bit sad.
This is looking proprietary to me, with ?partners? coming on board to support each other?s products, which is a little bit sad.
I'm not seeing that. The wording is a bit vague, but it sounds like it's meant to support any networked printer. I can't see much value in the feature if it applies only to a very limited class of printers.
I'm not seeing that. The wording is a bit vague, but it sounds like it's meant to support any networked printer. I can't see much value in the feature if it applies only to a very limited class of printers.
I can?t find any info on AirPrint being usable in other mobile devices or any other vendor other than HP, which appear to be working with Apple to get this new architecture working between devices. If it was an open source project wouldn?t it at least be stated as such the way they announced FaceTime as being open source during the iPhone 4 demo?
It couldn't find the printer...
I didn't see any settings for print!
I resumed the sync and will investigate further.
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I can?t find any info on AirPrint being usable in other mobile devices or any other vendor other than HP, which appear to be working with Apple to get this new architecture working between devices. If it was an open source project wouldn?t it at least be stated as such the way they announced FaceTime as being open source during the iPhone 4 demo?
I doubt that it'll ever be open source. But, I imagine that Apple is more than willing to work with other printer manufacturers.
The way I understand printing, for this beta:
1) You can print wirelessly to selected supported HP printers.
2) Or, with the Mac OS X update, you can print to any shared printer on your Mac.
3) Or, you can print to a "printer simulator"
I suspect the latter is part of the new SDK, and may or may not print to an actual printer.
I have about 1/2 hour before I can install the SDK and update OS X.
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Since production is up maybe Apple will expand the availability in more countries.
I can?t find any info on AirPrint being usable in other mobile devices or any other vendor other than HP, which appear to be working with Apple to get this new architecture working between devices. If it was an open source project wouldn?t it at least be stated as such the way they announced FaceTime as being open source during the iPhone 4 demo?
on whether Apple is implementing this using the Bonjour code - a hybrid, or a new code implementation for print services. HP was early in supporting Bonjour printing for Apple as a standard, with the rest of the printer makers slowly adding that in, so there could be some capacity there that is simply unannounced until they get it out of this version of beta. Given their previous work with Apple - HP would be a logical choice to partner with early on in the dev cycle. And yes - this wasn't announced as "open source"(TM), but could be another set of open standards that Apple will publish widely once refined to the correct level. And they would want to get this out there before HP builds out their first WebOS-driven tablets. The other PC makers have learned to anticipate Apple's incremental approach to adding features into devices, and will become more adept at anticipating them and speaking to them in their own releases. I mean even sheep get smarter around herding dogs over time. It requires Apple to stay nimble and agile in their development.
I am updating my iPad 3G now...
The Mac OS X download will take another 24 minutes.
The 4.2 SDK download will take over 4 more hours.
It will be interesting to see how far I can get without the OS X update, and the SDK update.
I have a HP Deskjet 5700 on an AEX. I can print to it from the iPad using PrintBureau.
I'll post whenever I find out anything!
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Hey is it possible you can add my ip4 to your dev account? thank you
on whether Apple is implementing this using the Bonjour code - a hybrid, or a new code implementation for print services. HP was early in supporting Bonjour printing for Apple as a standard, with the rest of the printer makers slowly adding that in, so there could be some capacity there that is simply unannounced until they get it out of this version of beta. Given their previous work with Apple - HP would be a logical choice to partner with early on in the dev cycle. And yes - this wasn't announced as "open source"(TM), but could be another set of open standards that Apple will publish widely once refined to the correct level. And they would want to get this out there before HP builds out their first WebOS-driven tablets. The other PC makers have learned to anticipate Apple's incremental approach to adding features into devices, and will become more adept at anticipating them and speaking to them in their own releases. I mean even sheep get smarter around herding dogs over time. It requires Apple to stay nimble and agile in their development.
I look forward to the print feature. Although I probably would not use it that much, but when you need to print, you need it and I always seem to need right away.
Just curious - does android native print? Or is it in the app department? I guess what Im asking, is AirPrint and AirPlay etc really different than whats out there(and I do not know what that is), or just spiffed up existing stuff with some Apple marketing to it?
The Giordano Bruno kind.
Ha!
Thanks for that. The Giordano Bruno reference made my afternoon a bit brighter.
(I'm sure most had to look it up on the wiki.)
Well, with the OS X update, the iPad sees the Bonjour printer on the AEX....
No luck printing, yet!
Update: Success (Printer was on wrong network).
Not to shabby!
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