iPhone drops to 23.8% smartphone market share, Android jumps to 17%

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  • Reply 121 of 360
    I think many of you are missing the bigger picture. Apple does not care about market share, nor is it in compitition in a sence with android. Apple is in business for one reason, and that is to make money. Apple is turning huge profits, best it has seen, and these profits will continue to grow for the next few years. When they start to lose money then you will see some serious changes in their structure.



    anyway my 2 cents
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  • Reply 122 of 360
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    Originally Posted by tawilson View Post


    These stats are shite!



    (-1.8)+(-1.3)+(-2.2)+5.0 = 0.3, so where is that 0.3% then, seeing as the change column should sum up to zero?



    And the sum of the total phones sold the month BEFORE the iPhone 4 was released is 96.8%. If your going to appear transparent at least show an other OS row :P



    Anyway, these are worthless as an indicator, because everyone knew the iPhone 4 was coming out, so they waited. These stats are US only too, so crap! Let's see what the month on Aug-2010 holds, then we'll have something to talk about.



    The figures quoted are to 1 decimal place, so they will be rounded up / down. Also, table only shows top 5, I guess Symbian or Nokia (depending on whether this table is OS platform or manufacturer) would by sixth.
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  • Reply 123 of 360
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sirozha View Post


    Apple's market share may be decreasing, but the absolute number of iPhones that Apple is selling every month is growing rapidly. Apple has never been about the market share. They don't care about the market share. What is important is the size of the profit margin that Apple is able to pocket from every iPhone they are selling, not the number of iPhones they are selling. Apple could lower the price of the iPhone by 40% and still make some money. This would boost their market share dramatically, but this would decrease the profits and would negatively affect the stock. As a share holder, I do not care about the current market share that the iPhone holds. What I care about is that Apple continues to post record revenue and record profit numbers every quarter.



    Android, by the way, is not "selling" anything - it is free. Various hardware manufacturers that use Android as a platform are selling their hardware. None of them is selling more smart phones than Apple is selling. Android is creating a monster with their fragmentation of the OS. They are allowing various smart phone manufacturers to run discrete User Interfaces on top of the stock Android OS. Therefore, from the user perspective, we should be speaking of Androids not the Android. At the same time, Google is trying to make money on Android by pushing adds to user phones. Why would anyone want to have a semi-functional device with horrible battery life, mediocre apps, and at the same time volunteer to be subjected to incessant ads for the same price that one could get an iPhone is beyond me.



    If you can jailbreak your iPhone, you get the best of two worlds - a very tightly integrated OS, best mobile apps on the market, and the ability to go beyond what Steve Jobs thinks you should be allowed to do on your iPhone. However, for 95% of smart phone users, the stock iPhone (without a jailbreak) is a perfect smart phone. Once the iPhone goes CDMA, only masochists will be getting an Android phone if the price of the iPhone is the same as an Android phone. Smart phone manufacturers that chose Android as their platform will have to give away their phones, hoping to recoup the manufacturing costs via carriers sharing revenue from subscription services. Apple, on the other hand, can continue pocketing 45% profit margin off every iPhone they are selling.



    googles not pushing adds to anyones phone right now. So thats nothing more then a rumor... and we now how rumors are around here... so ... and um my device is very functional? and my battery lasts longer then my fathers iphone 4. so many fan boys here that dont know anything...
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  • Reply 124 of 360
    As I noted previously, I believe for all practical purposes all that will remain will be Android and iOS... Android representing the floor and middle, iOS retaining the high-end.
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  • Reply 125 of 360
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by yeshuawatso View Post


    What strikes me as odd is how many people here bash android for the sake of bashing it. I'll admit that I'm not an Apple fan nor part of their target market. While I do develop for ios, I don't actually own any ios devices. When I need to test my app, I borrow a friends device. I am an Android fan. I love the os and its ties with all my other Google products.



    That being said, some of you fanboys need to tone it down a little. When people come to you for advice comparing Android to iPhone there tends to be more bashing than helping. The cynicism is daunting and a turn off. It makes the product seem geared for a-holes and snobs. Feature for feature, the iphone vs an android phone are pretty comparable for most people. But when you spend so much time bashing the competition, you accidently make your favorite products seem inferior. You fail to assess and address the customer's needs.



    Now I'm not saying there aren't a fair share of android fans who are ios bashers. They're equally annoying and just as cynical, but their voices aren't as loud as a slew of apple fanboys. Go to an Android forum asking the same comparison, and you'll get a plethora of people trying to figure out what the customer wants and needs are and try to match them, even if their suggestions are a little bias. However, I've seen more than a few post end with recommendations for iphone than android.



    Before you guys slam me with a "this is an Apple site," remember, this is where people are coming to help them make an informed decision. If they see more bashing than helping, they're going to assume that other Apple sites are like that as well. Our phones and their manufactures are not politicians. We don't need smear campaigns. Not smearing is one of the reasons I think Apple has been effective at keeping the lead, and one of the reasons I think people got turned off with their antenna portion of their website. Smearing isn't really apple's forte. But if you diehards keep crying only negatives about the almost unrelated competition, then you're only going to hurt the company/product you're crying for.



    Be proactive and push benefits, not who's features are better. Instead of telling people everything YOU think is wrong with Android, ask them something like "Why do you think you need a smartphone?" And "Have you ever used a smartphone before?" Then push ios on them by matching these concerns. For instance, I wouldn't tell a feature phone user to switch to Android because the learning curve is too steep. But I also wouldn't tell a crackberry user to switch to the iphone because the complication withdrawal curve is too steep (they're already used to a complicated os). Different users, different products.



    Currently, I'm recommending ipads to substitute PCs for people who don't need, nor want to pay, for a complicated computer and os, be it windows, os x, or linux. Multitasking and printing are hurdles but Apple is trying to take care of that. And as soon as Apple works CUPS support into the ipad, gumstix, linux, and CUPS will substitute the needed pc to act as a print server (technically, it'll still exist but in a much smaller form factor). All that's left is bluetooth mouse support for greater precision.



    But do you get my point? Market share means nothing if you can pair peoples' needs and wants to a specific product. And it really is useless if you can pair it with your favorite product. Market share is just what we in business use as a measuring stick for our shareholders. We can define the market any way we want as long as we're making profit.



    THANK YOU.

    I am an apple fan.. i just don't have or want an Iphone 4. All this is very annoying.
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  • Reply 126 of 360
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Carniphage View Post


    Whatever the tech community is - I don't think it's opinion plays any role whatsoever in the commercial success of the platforms in the consumer market.



    Consumers look for choice, solutions and quality. They don't consider philosophical issues.



    Android will sell well because its a good platform. But it is not a company.



    Just as as with Windows, Android manufacturers realise that when you outsource your software development to another company, your product inevitably becomes a commodity. Making a profit on commodity hardware is very difficult.



    C.



    If developers like a platform, they will develop for it. This increases the appeal of the device to customers. This leads to increased sales of the product for which the development was done. This is a second order effect, not a first order effect as you seemed to assume.
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  • Reply 127 of 360
    It is CRITICAL for Google and partners to churn out an ocean of devices at different price points, catering to different needs, in a multitude of OS/hardware combinations in order to compete with Apple's ONE (at most, two) phone running on ONE carrier in the US. Since Google has no single "iPhone killer", it's absolutely vital they flood the market with VOLUME in order to make up for the lack of quality in Android and Android devices in general.



    Google doesn't have what it takes to do what Apple does. And the reason is simple: Google doesn't think, create and act like Apple.
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  • Reply 128 of 360
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by geekdad View Post


    I disagree...the self proclaimed tech savvy know that there is nothing on a IOS device that cannot be done as well or better on an Android device.



    There, I fixed it for you.
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  • Reply 129 of 360
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Newtron View Post


    I think that there is at least one more type of Android user. I think that people who desire a cool pocket computer, rather than a simple appliance, are natural customers.



    I have to agree.

    I own mac products... my android phone was no cheaper then the current iphone and its not cheaply made.....and i dont want an iphone. so where does that leave me?
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  • Reply 130 of 360
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    Google doesn't have what it takes to do what Apple does. And the reason is simple: Google doesn't think, create and act like Apple.



    Something that cannot be emphasized too much. Apple is essentially a creative company, Google a destructive company. Apple creates revolutionary devices and paradigms, while Google copies and attempts to succeed by undermining competitors, rather than the strength of it's own efforts. Google are like the barbarians at the gates, unable to create their own rich civilization, their only goal is to plunder that of others.
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  • Reply 131 of 360
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by aimbdd View Post


    I have to agree.

    I own mac products... my android phone was no cheaper then the current iphone and its not cheaply made.....and i dont want an iphone. so where does that leave me?



    Stuck with an inferior phone.
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  • Reply 132 of 360
    davegeedavegee Posts: 2,765member
    While it might have been said before, doesn't anyone else find it oddly interesting that all of these reports where Apple is showing such a decline in numbers and android is showing such an increase are all reporting on THE LAST 3 MONTHS of the iPhone 3Gs lifecycle?



    I mean, I'm not arguing that Android isn't making up some ground... I'm sure they are. The'd have to be given the fact that vendors can distribute their phones without paying a dime for the work that went into it, not to mention the sheer number of different manufacturers all with their own devices all with their own AD campaigns, etc and lastly the fact that in the US (by Apples own choice) have limited their sales to just over 1/4 (I think) of the entire US market?



    Link: http://www.comscore.com/Press_Events...r_Market_Share



    US: 262.7M total US cellular subscribers.



    AT&T: 25.2%



    Sure... Given the iPhone 3Gs was ELO and the entire world (free and/or otherwise) knew that the iPhone 4 was gonna ship this summer combined with Apples unwillingness (or inability due to existing contracts) to sell to the other 3/4ths of the US market. Yes Android numbers are taking off. My gosh, if they didn't grow their numbers given all of the above they had going for it... I'd be laughing my ass off.



    - Competition IS good and I'd never wanna see Google go away because I think Apple would make some really bad decisions if it was left with it's own devices WRT ruling the cellular world.



    Now what I find most pathetic is this...



    The cell phone industry had it's cake taken away from it.... Not just ONCE with the iPhone but then AGAIN after Google rolled out their iPhone clone OS. Oh and make no mistake, the Android WAS and IS a direct ripoff of Apples iPhone. Just look at what Android was supposed to look like PRIOR to the Google stealing the iPhone look/feel and operations and graft it on top of what they that was a good UI.







    After all, prior to the iPhone turning into the runaway success the RIM Blackberry were the guys to copy all the great ideas from... And as the photo above shows Google had NO shame in stealing RIMS look and feel. The fact is Google has ZERO ideas of their own and their blatant copying of first RIM and then Apple all but confirms it. A simple look at the Google web site and its services screams out how untalented they are in that department and yet we are to believe Google came up with the Android look and feel all by themselves (TWICE?) once with something remarkably similar to a Blackberry and then again where it scrapped that design entirly and now had a device that looked remarkably like the iPhone.



    Sure I guess I can see that?!?!
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  • Reply 133 of 360
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ouragan View Post


    I agree. Apple's strategy is based on monopoly and early lead, the same strategy used 25 years ago for the Mac. Windows 95 crushed Apple once and Android is poised to do the same in the smartphone market. Alas.



    At best, Apple's strategy can only lead to an early success followed by a downfall to a 5% world market share. Some people never learn. Greed and supersized egos. Alas.





    \\\



    Market Cap Overview:



    AAPL: 247.84B

    MSFT: 217.12B

    GOOG: 153.33B



    Apple, Inc., will be just fine.
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  • Reply 134 of 360
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by joindup View Post


    We just develop for those platforms clients ask us for. Currently, for Apps, we get:



    iOS = 85% of client enquiries

    Android = 10% of client enquiries

    Win Phone 7 = 5% of client enquiries



    I went to a mobile dev conference recently in the UK.

    And that was very much the same message.



    iPhone was making up 80-90% of the revenues.



    It was only worth porting to other platforms for very successful titles, or when someone else was paying.



    C.
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  • Reply 135 of 360
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by xSamplex View Post


    If developers like a platform, they will develop for it. This increases the appeal of the device to customers. This leads to increased sales of the product for which the development was done. This is a second order effect, not a first order effect as you seemed to assume.



    But its clear that even when iPhone and Android have roughly equal market share, developers are earning much more from iPhone software. Trust me, developers follow the money.



    Google favor give-away software, because they want advertising revenue.



    As far as consumers are concerned all Android handsets are roughly equivalent. That means it's possible to switch brands, and this results in vendors competing aggressively on price.



    The inevitable outcome is razor thin margins for handset makers. Just like with Windows clone makers. Lots of unit sales. But no one making any money.



    C.
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  • Reply 136 of 360
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    AGH, why did I click the un-ignore button?!?! LOL Newtron is now saying iPhone customers aren’t sophisticated. Gotta love those sophisticated Droid commercials targeted at those pimple-faced virgins who regulate their free time between masturbation and online roll-playing games. Also love those sophisticated apps for Android compared to the the iPhone. Only the unrefined would ever use an iPhone which makes me wonder why the expensive cars have docks for iPhones yet I’ve seen none for Android.
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  • Reply 137 of 360
    One point, that seems lost amidst the frenzy, is that while Android may have gained market share (yet, I believe they don't actually possess any significant mind share, outside the class of supporters represented here), the actual numbers of iPhone, and particularly iOS, users are steadily increasing. So, while these market share numbers (and assuming for the sake of argument that they accurately reflect reality) appear to show iOS stagnating, in fact, the truth is quite the opposite.



    Furthermore, Android supporters should be mindful of what they wish for. The "openness" of Android is an illusion, a fraud. What it is, and what it will increasingly become, is the tool for carriers to continue to control subscribers and milk them for every penny they can. Android, assuming it even survives the Oracle suit, which is doubtful, is not the open environment that will set you free. It is the tool by which carriers intend to control every aspect of your mobile existence, and, to the degree it is successful, they will likewise succeed in doing so.
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  • Reply 138 of 360
    davegeedavegee Posts: 2,765member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Newtron View Post


    Apple Continued To Lose U.S. Marketshare Despite Spike From iPhone 4 Sales



    http://moconews.net/article/419-appl...m-iphone-4-sa/



    From the article:



    You forgot to quote this:



    Quote:

    "the three months ended in July while Android’s share grew by an impressive five percentage points, reports ComScore."



    3 Months study ending in July?!?!



    May iPhone 4 rumors and then official device conformation start making their way around the web. All reports indicate a Summer release.

    June (the first 26s days) the rumors just get more pronounced and everyone is confidant that the iPhone 3gs is gonna be EOLd.

    June 27th, 28th, 29, and 30th. were the first tree days the iPhone 4 was made available for sale.

    July the iPhone was on sale...



    So lets get this straight... For May and 95% if June the only device people could buy was a (known to the world) EOL iPhone 3Gs and then in July the iPhone v4.0 was (constrained but) available. How many iPhone 3gs do you think Apple sold between May 1st and June 27th with everyone knowing the iPhone 4 was gonna be made available for sale (in the US and in just a handful of other countries) on June 27th?



    I'd like to see a different set of numbers:



    Jan - Mar

    Apr - Jun

    Jul - Sep (these are the numbers we need to be looking at)

    Oct - Dec



    Also, come to think about it... doesn't anyone else find it mildy curious that these studies all seem to use "May - Jul" as their window?



    Does that mean they track sales in the following periods?



    Feb - Apr

    May - Jul (these are the numbers the report is based on)

    Aug - Oct

    Nov - Jan



    That doesn't seem right...
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  • Reply 139 of 360
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DaveGee View Post


    ... Also, come to think about it... doesn't anyone else find it mildy curious that these studies all seem to use "May - July" as their window?



    It's not curious at all, for exactly the reasons you give.
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  • Reply 140 of 360
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post


    Yes, haven't you heard? Android won, it's all over. Get rid of your iPhone 4 ASAP. It's worthless. Just like Macs, since they are at 5% or whatever.



    *sob* It was nice while it lasted... Now it's a race to the bottom. Like $99 netbooks are the future of PCs
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