Microsoft manager claims Kinect will "blow away" iPad sales

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  • Reply 81 of 158
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TBell View Post


    I do not see a problem with the comparison either. The guy is merely saying the initial demand is strong and sales will likely be stronger then the iPad sales we have seen to date (not necessarily for the holiday). It is merely a reference to sales volume.



    \: ?



    Why excuse that stupid statement?

    : Isn't stupid of Microsoft to bully the iPad?

    : Envy of Apple success/uniqueness.
  • Reply 82 of 158
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ochyming View Post


    \: ?



    Why excuse that stupid statement?

    : Isn't stupid of Microsoft to bully the iPad?

    : Envy of Apple success/uniqueness.



    Because Jobs fired first when he said they sold 100 million iOS devices, outselling gaming consoles. Theoretically, iOS has a greater install base for gaming than Xbox all together.



    So MS fired back saying Kinect will outsell iPad, which is somewhat misleading and irrelevant. iOS in its short life has accomplished what few have managed to do in 10+ years.
  • Reply 83 of 158
    irnchrizirnchriz Posts: 1,590member
    Erm, surely Microsoft should be saying that it will sell more than the PS3 Move?!? which is a competing product unlike the iPad which has nothing to do with Kinect.



    Seems they are trying to build Kinect momentum by loosely linking it to the iPad.



    I think Microsoft will find that the iPad is selling close to the monthly numbers of the xbox 360, Kinect is an add-on not a full system and as such its sales will spike high then decline over time as the existing user base buys it.
  • Reply 84 of 158
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by irnchriz View Post


    Erm, surely Microsoft should be saying that it will sell more than the PS3 Move?!? which is a competing product unlike the iPad which has nothing to do with Kinect.



    Seems they are trying to build Kinect momentum by loosely linking it to the iPad.



    MS is officially out of ideas.



    Oh wait, that happened 10 years ago.
  • Reply 85 of 158
    MacProMacPro Posts: 18,359member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by barthrh View Post


    I don't see anything wrong with the comparison. If I say the iPad is the best thing since sliced bread, it doesn't imply that I believe that it is in any way a substitute for sliced bread. Perhaps ham, maybe cheese. He's only acknowledging the strong initial sales, for Pete's sake.



    You are using something called a metaphor, he wasn't.
  • Reply 86 of 158
    MacProMacPro Posts: 18,359member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TBell View Post


    I do not see a problem with the comparison either. The guy is merely saying the initial demand is strong and sales will likely be stronger then the iPad sales we have seen to date (not necessarily for the holiday). It is merely a reference to sales volume.



    So ... he could have referenced it would sell more than say ... garter belts? That is a reference to sales volumes too.



    I think what all the Mac people here are saying is that MS seems to be a little bit intimidated by Apple's successes these days and they can't think past trying to beat Apple at something even if it is by referencing categories that are, shall we say Apples and Oranges.
  • Reply 87 of 158
    MacProMacPro Posts: 18,359member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    MS is officially out of ideas.



    Oh wait, that happened 10 years ago.



    10?!!!



    LOL, try 26
  • Reply 88 of 158
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by alexkhan2000 View Post


    It really has become Apple against the world, hasn't it?



    Us vs. them has long been a popular method to sell things. Apple used that technique from day one with their 1984 ad.



    And lots of apple customers are into that sort of thing.
  • Reply 89 of 158
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nondual View Post


    So 'Sells like the iPad' has become the new 'Selling like hotcakes'?



    Precisely. But that doesn't stop the fans from getting all offended. They should be flattered instead, but only if their personal identity is caught up in the products they use.
  • Reply 90 of 158
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 14,228moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    So, you have a specialized, limited-function, programmable webCam for $150... With, say, an initial target of 20 million (one half of install base) and, say, 1 million per month new sales (including the X-Box).



    If you made a similar videoCam that emphasized remote pan/zoom/focus you would have something that you could connect to an ATV or a Mac and use for FaceTime...



    Further, it could be used for security monitoring... And even games like the Kinect.



    I wonder what a camera like that would cost, and what the sales targets would be.



    Kinect seems like a webcam/eyetoy but it's not really. It has IR sensors for tracking depth as well as a camera for video, which allows it to work in any brightness levels. The lower resolution and functionality is to lower costs and the images need to be processed quickly for tracking (no lag). Apparently, Microsoft is selling the device for the same amount they are paying for it:



    http://www.develop-online.net/news/3...g-costs-to-150



    and giving away a free game. This means no profit for the time being as is common with the video game market. The software analysis of the depth data is important which is why it wouldn't be simple to replicate.



    A typical new XBox game will be around $60 so Kinect is costing slightly more than 2 games and you get a game with it so it's not too badly priced but it needs titles to convince people to invest in it. So far there are 15 titles listed:



    http://kotaku.com/5563326/the-15-kin...nch-titles-are



    Kinect Adventures (Microsoft Game Studios)

    Kinectimals (Frontier Studio/Microsoft Game Studios)

    Kinect Joy Ride (Big Park/Microsoft Game Studios)

    Kinect Sports (Rare/Microsoft Game Studios)

    Dance Central (MTV Games)

    Your Shape: Fitness Evolved (Ubisoft)

    EA Sports Active 2 (EA)

    Deca Sports Freedom (Hudson)

    Dance Masters (Konami)

    Adrenalin Misfits (Konami)

    Zumba Fitness (Majesco)

    Sonic Free Riders (Sega)

    The Biggest Loser: Ultimate Workout (THQ)

    Motion Sports (Ubisoft)

    Game Party: In Motion (Warner Bros.)



    Lots of fitness games.



    It will have interesting implications for standard games though because you will be able to break free from the repetitive character movements and the on-screen character will replicate exactly how you move. If you feel like just slapping someone in a boxing game, it can let you do that. If you want to make a rude gesture in GTA to another driver, it can let you do that too. In games like Star Wars, you don't have to remember which buttons do force push/pull/choke etc, you do the pose:



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilmPq98wXcw



    In fitness games, it can track your body shape and posture.
  • Reply 91 of 158
    I can hardly wait for the parade.
  • Reply 92 of 158
    wow, off their meds again at ms... oranges will outsell canned squid, time magazine will outsell gps devices...
  • Reply 93 of 158
    What a compliment to Apple that other companies are comparing their non-related products to sales of the iPad. A little confusing, but how precious of them.
  • Reply 94 of 158
    8002580025 Posts: 172member
    Next Wednesday, 9/22/2010, marks the first day of Autumn. With the cooler weather coming, there's got to be a way to capture all of Majorcrap's hot air to help with the heating bills. Is there an app for that?
  • Reply 95 of 158
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Newtron;


    Us vs. them has long been a popular method to sell things. Apple used that technique from day one with their 1984 ad.



    And lots of apple customers are into that sort of thing.



    Maybe 5 years ago. But not nowadays. A lot of people see Apple as something trendy and cool, that you have gotta get on board if you wanna be hip.



    I think "us against them" is the other way around now. Those that get Zunes and Samsung tablets and Windows phones because they're "going against the crowd".
  • Reply 96 of 158
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by myapplelove;


    wow, off their meds again at ms... oranges will outsell canned squid, time magazine will outsell gps devices...



    That about sums it up.
  • Reply 97 of 158
    nceencee Posts: 836member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TBell View Post


    I do not see a problem with the comparison either. The guy is merely saying the initial demand is strong and sales will likely be stronger then the iPad sales we have seen to date (not necessarily for the holiday). It is merely a reference to sales volume.



    It is, but with hopes of cutting into iPad sales!



    Many, WAY to many folks, will read this, hear this and go out and purchase the damn thing, only to realize, it's not what they thought. Now will they return it, and get an iPad ? maybe. Will it cut into iPad sales with this kind of hype ? YES, even if only for a short time.



    How about simply stating - "With pre-orders hitting the roof, (or way ahead of projections) we see the (X) being the hottest selling Holiday Gift product of it's kind this Holiday Selling Season" - something like this makes more sense to me.



    Hell, get the damn thing on the Oprah Show and let those folks decide if it's worth waiting for.



    The 2010 Camero this quarter, is out selling the Ford Mustang's LAST quarter sales by 40%! DO you think folks will think that the Camero is kicking Ford's Ass ? hell yeah.



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  • Reply 98 of 158
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Marvin View Post


    Kinect seems like a webcam/eyetoy but it's not really. It has IR sensors for tracking depth as well as a camera for video, which allows it to work in any brightness levels. The lower resolution and functionality is to lower costs and the images need to be processed quickly for tracking (no lag). Apparently, Microsoft is selling the device for the same amount they are paying for it:



    http://www.develop-online.net/news/3...g-costs-to-150



    and giving away a free game. This means no profit for the time being as is common with the video game market. The software analysis of the depth data is important which is why it wouldn't be simple to replicate.



    A typical new XBox game will be around $60 so Kinect is costing slightly more than 2 games and you get a game with it so it's not too badly priced but it needs titles to convince people to invest in it. So far there are 15 titles listed:



    http://kotaku.com/5563326/the-15-kin...nch-titles-are



    Kinect Adventures (Microsoft Game Studios)

    Kinectimals (Frontier Studio/Microsoft Game Studios)

    Kinect Joy Ride (Big Park/Microsoft Game Studios)

    Kinect Sports (Rare/Microsoft Game Studios)

    Dance Central (MTV Games)

    Your Shape: Fitness Evolved (Ubisoft)

    EA Sports Active 2 (EA)

    Deca Sports Freedom (Hudson)

    Dance Masters (Konami)

    Adrenalin Misfits (Konami)

    Zumba Fitness (Majesco)

    Sonic Free Riders (Sega)

    The Biggest Loser: Ultimate Workout (THQ)

    Motion Sports (Ubisoft)

    Game Party: In Motion (Warner Bros.)



    Lots of fitness games.



    It will have interesting implications for standard games though because you will be able to break free from the repetitive character movements and the on-screen character will replicate exactly how you move. If you feel like just slapping someone in a boxing game, it can let you do that. If you want to make a rude gesture in GTA to another driver, it can let you do that too. In games like Star Wars, you don't have to remember which buttons do force push/pull/choke etc, you do the pose:



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilmPq98wXcw



    In fitness games, it can track your body shape and posture.



    Thanks for the good info and links.



    So this is a loss leader for MS.



    If they make 50% on each game, then they would need to recover $175 just to break even (direct marketing, packaging, shipping, selling, costs, aside).



    As I understand, they don't make much on the X-Box, so they must be planning to make money in games.



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  • Reply 99 of 158
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    MS is officially out of ideas.



    Oh wait, that happened 10 years ago.



    More like 25.
  • Reply 100 of 158
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Newtron View Post


    Precisely. But that doesn't stop the fans from getting all offended. They should be flattered instead, but only if their personal identity is caught up in the products they use.



    You do realize that your ripostes are as predictable and trite as the behavior you have appointed yourself to mock, don't you?
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