I'm speculating that someone at Apple convinced the ego centric Steve Jobs it would be in the best interests of the company to "play nice" with Google as they are a world power and Apple is, with all due respect, a niche company.
This is just speculation on my part. I was not invited to the last board meeting. But Apple has had a "my way or the hiway" attitude for a while now and it has to stop before the company self destructs.
This may be a sign that cooler heads are prevailing within the company. I certainly hope so.
Apple responds to pressure just as anyone else does. Very likely the Feds had something to do with it.
I just find it interesting that as Apple has been getting much more open over the past few months, we see that Google isn't as open as some seem to think they are.
I wonder if they are crossing in that respect. It would be funny if Apple ends up more open that Google.
Apple responds to pressure just as anyone else does.
I'm not so sure about that. When they were under attack over the antenna issue, they basically told everyone to go to heck, free cases excepted. When criticized for lack of Flash, they basically told everyone "you will use HTML and love it" and got away with it. They told the world, you will be AT&T's customer and people said, "Whatever you say Steve."
There are other examples. Apple handles pressure in ways that boggle the mind.
Two 3rd party apps, GV Mobile + and GV Connect, have been approved! What is the difference between those 2 Apps?
What features does or will each of those apps lack vs. the Google's own Google Voice for iPhone that is yet to be approved?
If there is no difference, then why would Google need to bother making their own Google Voice for iPhone?
I don't recall if that if that Google's own Google Voice App was ever on iPhone before, and then was removed from iTunes!
My guesses are:
1. Since Apple has already approved those 2 Apps, it would be hard for Apple to reject Google's own Google Voice for iPhone! And how about for iPad?
2. Google might delay releasing their Google Voice for iPhone, but then, why would Google want to leave it in the hands of others, like those 2 Apps that were just approved, and possibly more Apps coming!
3. Google could easily charge for it too! They could also claim being more "fair" by saying:
"We have Google Maps on iPhone, we made Google Voice for iPhone, but we see no iPhone Apps on Android..."
Of course, Apple could kid or and sew Android for stealing iPhone's Intellectual Property! They are already in litigation with HTC, which is an indirect shot at Google!
This whole "incestuous" scene always blows my mind! So many companies "get in bed" with each other, while trying to compete against each other, court cases etc! Amazing!!!
Sometimes I wonder if Apple and Google are not playing Good Cop Bad Cop against other Smart Phone makers: Blackberry, Microsoft, Nokia, trying to take the biggest chunk of that Market for themselves, leaving others fighting each other? Just a thought! What do you think?
They Google Voice service and the apps that access it, currently use call back or call pass through, which means the device you are running the app on needs to be able to natively send of receive a phone call. iPods cannot. Once they do VOIP then it is a possibility.
I'm just confused. Doesn't you can place a phone call from PC? Why not the new iPod?
In this regard, we can place call from the new iPod on Skype but not GV?
Oh, Schmidt is being punished just a little bit, that's all.
That's right! It was Google getting punished here
Right until this happened, Google used to first have their latest toys on Apple first and Android after. This was a great thing for Android. Within a couple of months after Apple denied Google Voice, you could noticeably see the shift as Android started getting all the goodies first. I love how GV integrates seamlessly with contacts on my phone.
I can't wait for a true 3G/wifi VOIP app. Carriers will have to be dragged screaming to this future. But it's inevitable.
When they were under attack over the antenna issue, they basically told everyone to go to heck, free cases excepted.
Incorrect. What Steve actually said is Apple is looking into this issue, in the meantime, you can either return your device and get a full refund or opt to receive one of the free cases.
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When criticized for lack of Flash, they basically told everyone "you will use HTML and love it" and got away with it.
Again, incorrect. Steve quipped that Flash doesn't support touch based input. He also said Apple has asked Adobe for years to produce a mobile version of Flash that does not suck.
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They told the world, you will be AT&T's customer and people said, "Whatever you say Steve."
Didn't Verizon reject the iPhone?
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There are other examples. Apple handles pressure in ways that boggle the mind.
Please post the"other" examples. Those listed are inaccurate - on purpose, I assume.
Two 3rd party apps, GV Mobile + and GV Connect, have been approved! What is the difference between those 2 Apps?
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Just a thought! What do you think?
I think that you haven't even bothered using either one of Google's mobile sites (both of them) for Google Voice. If you had, you wouldn't be asking this question.
If you had used either site even once, you would understand why Google might be motivated to write a native app: webapps suck.
Trust me. I've been using Google's sh*tty webapps for over a year (the legacy one plus the fancier one) as well as Riverturn's HTML5 app. Webapps blow.
This would only work if they released an app that includes a VOIP client. To date, they have not done this on Android. They did buy a VOIP company recently (Gizmo5?) so it is very likely they will have a VOIP client, but I am guessing it would be released in Android before the iPhone. They fact that Google Talk can now do Google Voice calls does show they are leaning towards client side VOIP.
They Google Voice service and the apps that access it, currently use call back or call pass through, which means the device you are running the app on needs to be able to natively send of receive a phone call. iPods cannot. Once they do VOIP then it is a possibility.
If you have a Gizmo5 account and a SIP client with backgrounding or push notifications (e.g., Acrobits Groundwire or Softphone), then Google Voice as a VoIP service is a reality.
They told the world, you will be AT&T's customer and people said, "Whatever you say Steve."
Nah.
The world is made up of many countries, only one of which is the United States of America. Those other countries don't have AT&T as a mobile operator.
You should really expand your horizons and realize that the world comprises more nations than just the USA. It's embarrassing when a narrow-minded American (like you) posts something here that seemingly ignores the rest of the world.
You should endeavor to realize the world extends beyond American borders even when the Olympics or World Cup aren't on TV.
If you have a Gizmo5 account and a SIP client with backgrounding or push notifications (e.g., Acrobits Groundwire or Softphone), then Google Voice as a VoIP service is a reality.
And has been for many months.
Yes, I am aware of some of the workarounds. But Google hasn't released a GV client with built in VOIP.
I'm not so sure about that. When they were under attack over the antenna issue, they basically told everyone to go to heck, free cases excepted. When criticized for lack of Flash, they basically told everyone "you will use HTML and love it" and got away with it. They told the world, you will be AT&T's customer and people said, "Whatever you say Steve."
There are other examples. Apple handles pressure in ways that boggle the mind.
There may be a difference between pressure from gullible consumers and pressure from unrelenting Feds.
I've never used Gmail, for the reasons you cite. Also because I want to use a POP3 server and keep my mail archived locally.
I don't want my mail to live on a public server. I don't want my mail scanned for content.
You, of course, realise that Google supports POP3, right? And that using POP3 with Gmail iss no different than with any other email provider. All email still goes through a certain amount of filtering and storage prior to you picking it up.
Does GV work outside of the US yet? If not - WHO CARES! Love, the rest of the world (aka, "the Majority").
I am glad the rest of the world did not have that gigantic chip on their shoulder when the modern day computer was working inside the U.S. and not yet available outside the U.S. They totally wouldn't have cared if they were anything like you.
You, of course, realise that Google supports POP3, right? And that using POP3 with Gmail iss no different than with any other email provider. All email still goes through a certain amount of filtering and storage prior to you picking it up.
No, I thought the only alternative was to store the mail on Google's servers.
But I have my own domain name, and I made one of my email addresses myfirstname@mysurname.com, and I like it.
I'll have to check into the gmail POP3 alternative for disposable addresses, but with my own domain, I have an infinite number of different disposable addresses.
I use spam@surname.com for lots of purposes, along with sender@surname.com for commercial senders (like bills and bank statements and inevitable senders, like apple@surname.com). I can very easily get all my mail in one application, sorted into different inboxes for convenience.
But now that I know what you told me, maybe i"ll check out Gmail.
Why do some people feel the need to spin everything negative when it comes to Apple. Is Apple perfect? Far from. Is the competition getting better? Yes. However, it is a personal choice. I don't know if I want to have Google have any of my personal info or access to it. Just don't trust what they do with it. However, I do believe that they are pushing Apple and Microsoft to do better. That's always a good thing.
Those of you who think you are experts on everything (you know who you are), and feel that Apple is the evil empire - just don't buy Apple products. Get a life and move on.
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I'm speculating that someone at Apple convinced the ego centric Steve Jobs it would be in the best interests of the company to "play nice" with Google as they are a world power and Apple is, with all due respect, a niche company.
This is just speculation on my part. I was not invited to the last board meeting. But Apple has had a "my way or the hiway" attitude for a while now and it has to stop before the company self destructs.
This may be a sign that cooler heads are prevailing within the company. I certainly hope so.
Apple responds to pressure just as anyone else does. Very likely the Feds had something to do with it.
I just find it interesting that as Apple has been getting much more open over the past few months, we see that Google isn't as open as some seem to think they are.
I wonder if they are crossing in that respect. It would be funny if Apple ends up more open that Google.
Apple responds to pressure just as anyone else does.
I'm not so sure about that. When they were under attack over the antenna issue, they basically told everyone to go to heck, free cases excepted. When criticized for lack of Flash, they basically told everyone "you will use HTML and love it" and got away with it. They told the world, you will be AT&T's customer and people said, "Whatever you say Steve."
There are other examples. Apple handles pressure in ways that boggle the mind.
What features does or will each of those apps lack vs. the Google's own Google Voice for iPhone that is yet to be approved?
If there is no difference, then why would Google need to bother making their own Google Voice for iPhone?
I don't recall if that if that Google's own Google Voice App was ever on iPhone before, and then was removed from iTunes!
My guesses are:
1. Since Apple has already approved those 2 Apps, it would be hard for Apple to reject Google's own Google Voice for iPhone! And how about for iPad?
2. Google might delay releasing their Google Voice for iPhone, but then, why would Google want to leave it in the hands of others, like those 2 Apps that were just approved, and possibly more Apps coming!
3. Google could easily charge for it too! They could also claim being more "fair" by saying:
"We have Google Maps on iPhone, we made Google Voice for iPhone, but we see no iPhone Apps on Android..."
Of course, Apple could kid or and sew Android for stealing iPhone's Intellectual Property! They are already in litigation with HTC, which is an indirect shot at Google!
This whole "incestuous" scene always blows my mind! So many companies "get in bed" with each other, while trying to compete against each other, court cases etc! Amazing!!!
Sometimes I wonder if Apple and Google are not playing Good Cop Bad Cop against other Smart Phone makers: Blackberry, Microsoft, Nokia, trying to take the biggest chunk of that Market for themselves, leaving others fighting each other? Just a thought! What do you think?
Yet another example of Apple playing fast and loose with reality. They should be prosecuted for obstruction of justice.
hahahahaahahah how 'bout the Lindberg kidnapping?
They Google Voice service and the apps that access it, currently use call back or call pass through, which means the device you are running the app on needs to be able to natively send of receive a phone call. iPods cannot. Once they do VOIP then it is a possibility.
I'm just confused. Doesn't you can place a phone call from PC? Why not the new iPod?
In this regard, we can place call from the new iPod on Skype but not GV?
Oh, Schmidt is being punished just a little bit, that's all.
That's right! It was Google getting punished here
Right until this happened, Google used to first have their latest toys on Apple first and Android after. This was a great thing for Android. Within a couple of months after Apple denied Google Voice, you could noticeably see the shift as Android started getting all the goodies first. I love how GV integrates seamlessly with contacts on my phone.
I can't wait for a true 3G/wifi VOIP app. Carriers will have to be dragged screaming to this future. But it's inevitable.
When they were under attack over the antenna issue, they basically told everyone to go to heck, free cases excepted.
Incorrect. What Steve actually said is Apple is looking into this issue, in the meantime, you can either return your device and get a full refund or opt to receive one of the free cases.
When criticized for lack of Flash, they basically told everyone "you will use HTML and love it" and got away with it.
Again, incorrect. Steve quipped that Flash doesn't support touch based input. He also said Apple has asked Adobe for years to produce a mobile version of Flash that does not suck.
They told the world, you will be AT&T's customer and people said, "Whatever you say Steve."
Didn't Verizon reject the iPhone?
There are other examples. Apple handles pressure in ways that boggle the mind.
Please post the"other" examples. Those listed are inaccurate - on purpose, I assume.
Two 3rd party apps, GV Mobile + and GV Connect, have been approved! What is the difference between those 2 Apps?
[tedious post truncated]
Just a thought! What do you think?
I think that you haven't even bothered using either one of Google's mobile sites (both of them) for Google Voice. If you had, you wouldn't be asking this question.
If you had used either site even once, you would understand why Google might be motivated to write a native app: webapps suck.
Trust me. I've been using Google's sh*tty webapps for over a year (the legacy one plus the fancier one) as well as Riverturn's HTML5 app. Webapps blow.
This would only work if they released an app that includes a VOIP client. To date, they have not done this on Android. They did buy a VOIP company recently (Gizmo5?) so it is very likely they will have a VOIP client, but I am guessing it would be released in Android before the iPhone. They fact that Google Talk can now do Google Voice calls does show they are leaning towards client side VOIP.
They Google Voice service and the apps that access it, currently use call back or call pass through, which means the device you are running the app on needs to be able to natively send of receive a phone call. iPods cannot. Once they do VOIP then it is a possibility.
If you have a Gizmo5 account and a SIP client with backgrounding or push notifications (e.g., Acrobits Groundwire or Softphone), then Google Voice as a VoIP service is a reality.
And has been for many months.
They told the world, you will be AT&T's customer and people said, "Whatever you say Steve."
Nah.
The world is made up of many countries, only one of which is the United States of America. Those other countries don't have AT&T as a mobile operator.
You should really expand your horizons and realize that the world comprises more nations than just the USA. It's embarrassing when a narrow-minded American (like you) posts something here that seemingly ignores the rest of the world.
You should endeavor to realize the world extends beyond American borders even when the Olympics or World Cup aren't on TV.
There are other examples. Apple handles pressure in ways that boggle the mind.
I'm guessing there is much that boggles your mind.
Are you saying Apple's relaxed guidelines are a result of Google's affluence?
Affluence or effluent?
(I kid, I kid!)
Googles omnipresence freaks me out personally. I'm am trying to wean myself off gmail.
Don't know if I'll ever give up the original Google Search though. I mean, once something has become an official verb, its hard to argue with.
If you have a Gizmo5 account and a SIP client with backgrounding or push notifications (e.g., Acrobits Groundwire or Softphone), then Google Voice as a VoIP service is a reality.
And has been for many months.
Yes, I am aware of some of the workarounds. But Google hasn't released a GV client with built in VOIP.
I'm not so sure about that. When they were under attack over the antenna issue, they basically told everyone to go to heck, free cases excepted. When criticized for lack of Flash, they basically told everyone "you will use HTML and love it" and got away with it. They told the world, you will be AT&T's customer and people said, "Whatever you say Steve."
There are other examples. Apple handles pressure in ways that boggle the mind.
There may be a difference between pressure from gullible consumers and pressure from unrelenting Feds.
Affluence or effluent?
(I kid, I kid!)
Googles omnipresence freaks me out personally. I'm am trying to wean myself off gmail.
I've never used Gmail, for the reasons you cite. Also because I want to use a POP3 server and keep my mail archived locally.
I don't want my mail to live on a public server. I don't want my mail scanned for content.
I've never used Gmail, for the reasons you cite. Also because I want to use a POP3 server and keep my mail archived locally.
I don't want my mail to live on a public server. I don't want my mail scanned for content.
You, of course, realise that Google supports POP3, right? And that using POP3 with Gmail iss no different than with any other email provider. All email still goes through a certain amount of filtering and storage prior to you picking it up.
Does GV work outside of the US yet? If not - WHO CARES! Love, the rest of the world (aka, "the Majority").
I am glad the rest of the world did not have that gigantic chip on their shoulder when the modern day computer was working inside the U.S. and not yet available outside the U.S. They totally wouldn't have cared if they were anything like you.
You, of course, realise that Google supports POP3, right? And that using POP3 with Gmail iss no different than with any other email provider. All email still goes through a certain amount of filtering and storage prior to you picking it up.
No, I thought the only alternative was to store the mail on Google's servers.
But I have my own domain name, and I made one of my email addresses myfirstname@mysurname.com, and I like it.
I'll have to check into the gmail POP3 alternative for disposable addresses, but with my own domain, I have an infinite number of different disposable addresses.
I use spam@surname.com for lots of purposes, along with sender@surname.com for commercial senders (like bills and bank statements and inevitable senders, like apple@surname.com). I can very easily get all my mail in one application, sorted into different inboxes for convenience.
But now that I know what you told me, maybe i"ll check out Gmail.
Those of you who think you are experts on everything (you know who you are), and feel that Apple is the evil empire - just don't buy Apple products. Get a life and move on.