An opinion from what looks to be a small time web publication.
Still just one person's statement doesn't make it true ( unless you really believe everything you read everywhere ). It's easy to use a name like " Newsweek " and bend the situation anyway you want.
That article is certainly written from a conservative point of view. But one cannnot ignore that it presents some very hard facts as well. And then there is this quote:
[quote] Commenting on the intrinsic bias of the press in a May 24 editorial in the Wall Street Journal, Bernard Goldberg, a former correspondent for CBS News, said: "?It is this inability to see liberal views as liberal that is at the heart of the entire problem." <hr></blockquote>
Exactly. That is EXACTLY what I have been trying to say. You guys trying to argue that the media, as a whole, is not biased to the left is a joke. As I said, it is so biased it doesn't even know it. It is second nature!
sjpsu:
[quote]Ruhx, no one really cares about what you have to say. Put the links away and play nice now. <hr></blockquote>
I don't think it's up you.
jimmac:
[quote] Still in check. <hr></blockquote>
As if you have proven there is not bias in the media as a whole? As if we are struggling to prove it? I will try and return later with documentation. But, in the interim, anyone who doesn't believe there is tremendous bias in the media needs to hear this term:
The contention that "Center" is actually far more rightward than the main networks would want you to believe is unfounded. It's a political ploy used by Fox News to report on only conservative issues. Fox reports on many far right stories. Can we say the same for far left stories? And in the rare occasion that they do report those stories, what kind of anti-liberal tilt contributes to its reporting? Think about that combined with a fictional far-right "center" and you have true conservative bias at Fox.
The question still hasn't been answered. Not even properly addressed. How's it possible? It represents a major hole in the idea that the media is controlled by liberals. So yes, still in check.
This is all very simple... The media is controlled by large corporations - there is no such thing as an independant station with national coverage on its own cable channel simply because the independant media does not have the money. Why? Because indy media is not backed by large corporations.
Therefore...
All major publications/broadcasts are told from above to promote corporate interests. What are these corporate interests? They are the same ones that the Republicrats have. No large media network will ever question the war on terrorism because that is biting the hand that feeds them - it would go against the owners interests. Say a defense contractor is on the board of directors at CNN and an oil company on NBC - why in god's name would either of these stations air a story about the evils of oil consumption or the failure of the war on terrorism? Thus - the media has an agenda - plain and simple and you guys need to recognize that.
Here is a good site to show you why America is truly hated. And by the way SDW, please read through all the way through the articles on this page. It was also not written by some 'bleeding-heart liberal' either. It was an ex-CIA man, someone you can identify with.
See now here is the other side. The truth ( and I know it's not nearly as exciting ) is that the media is in show business. For themselves. I'm sure pressure is put on them from a lot of places and at times they lean one way or the other. But, at their heart is the desire to make a buck. Pure and really very simple.
You guys are absolutely kidding yourselves. The problem isn't always in the ownership, it is in the news directors, anchors, reporters, etc.
And, the press DOES vote 9-1 democratic as I said. That is a hard number to spin.
I would also say there is a difference between political "leaning" and flat out bias. My perceptions over the past years are as follows:
CNN: Left leaning.
MSNBC; Left leaning
ABC: Left BIAS
CBS Left BIAS
FoxNews: Conservative leaning
NBC: Left leaning, but only slightly.
And just so you folks know, the liberal bias in hollywood is even worse in my opinion, though at least that isn't portrayed as news.
Jimmac, I think my first part of the post addressed your question.
PS: Just to prove that I'm not out to "only hear my views" I am an avid watcher of the liberal leaning The West Wing TV drama. I know that's just a TV show, but there is no question that show leans hard left. It even directly pokes at Bush and was created by a flaming, screaming liberal, Aaron Sorkin. I watch it anyway because it is entertaining. So there.
<strong>You guys are absolutely kidding yourselves. The problem isn't always in the ownership, it is in the news directors, anchors, reporters, etc.
And, the press DOES vote 9-1 democratic as I said. That is a hard number to spin.
I would also say there is a difference between political "leaning" and flat out bias. My perceptions over the past years are as follows:
CNN: Left leaning.
MSNBC; Left leaning
ABC: Left BIAS
CBS Left BIAS
FoxNews: Conservative leaning
NBC: Left leaning, but only slightly.
And just so you folks know, the liberal bias in hollywood is even worse in my opinion, though at least that isn't portrayed as news.
Jimmac, I think my first part of the post addressed your question.
PS: Just to prove that I'm not out to "only hear my views" I am an avid watcher of the liberal leaning The West Wing TV drama. I know that's just a TV show, but there is no question that show leans hard left. It even directly pokes at Bush and was created by a flaming, screaming liberal, Aaron Sorkin. I watch it anyway because it is entertaining. So there.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Excuse the humble question of a foreigner : but how it's possible that 80 % of the media are leftie if halp the population of the US is republican. Does it means that all republicans read Fox new or that republicans read less than liberals ?
Excuse the humble question of a foreigner : but how it's possible that 80 % of the media are leftie if halp the population of the US is republican. Does it means that all republicans read Fox new or that republicans read less than liberals ?</strong><hr></blockquote>
You are assuming that the media is split 50/50. As I said it is most definitely not. It votes 9 to 1 democratic, as I have now said twice before. That is 90% liberal views......much of which leaks onto the air.
You are assuming that the media is split 50/50. As I said it is most definitely not. It votes 9 to 1 democratic, as I have now said twice before. That is 90% liberal views......much of which leaks onto the air.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Do you mean that republicans are obliged to read Liberal newspapers ?
You are assuming that the media is split 50/50. As I said it is most definitely not. It votes 9 to 1 democratic, as I have now said twice before. That is 90% liberal views......much of which leaks onto the air.</strong><hr></blockquote>
hehe are you Bill Orielly or son of his !? ..
His is one of the biggest @$$H0773 I've ever seen in my entire life.
Considering the fact that the last 20 or so posts have nothing to do with the stated topic, shouldn't you guys just start another thread?........................
Well you stated some of the indirect reasons you think liberals control the media ( at least that's what you're infering here once again ) but, you didn't address my question at all.
You're doing a good jig around it but still haven't explained how ( if what you say is true ) this could have happened.
Well you stated some of the indirect reasons you think liberals control the media ( at least that's what you're infering here once again ) but, you didn't address my question at all.
You're doing a good jig around it but still haven't explained how ( if what you say is true ) this could have happened.
You are going to have to restate the question for me. I thought I did answer it.
powerdoc: Yes, we do have to read liberal newspapers and watch liberally biased TV stations. It is 90% of the media. Or, do you advocate I only watch stations that reflect my own views? I don't.
Comments
<a href="http://www.aim.org/publications/briefings/2001/27jun2001.html"; target="_blank">http://www.aim.org/publications/briefings/2001/27jun2001.html</a>;
Still just one person's statement doesn't make it true ( unless you really believe everything you read everywhere ). It's easy to use a name like " Newsweek " and bend the situation anyway you want.
Still doesn't address the question.
Still in check.
ps. Sounds kind of biased also.
[ 06-18-2002: Message edited by: jimmac ]</p>
That article is certainly written from a conservative point of view. But one cannnot ignore that it presents some very hard facts as well. And then there is this quote:
[quote] Commenting on the intrinsic bias of the press in a May 24 editorial in the Wall Street Journal, Bernard Goldberg, a former correspondent for CBS News, said: "?It is this inability to see liberal views as liberal that is at the heart of the entire problem." <hr></blockquote>
Exactly. That is EXACTLY what I have been trying to say. You guys trying to argue that the media, as a whole, is not biased to the left is a joke. As I said, it is so biased it doesn't even know it. It is second nature!
sjpsu:
[quote]Ruhx, no one really cares about what you have to say. Put the links away and play nice now. <hr></blockquote>
I don't think it's up you.
jimmac:
[quote] Still in check. <hr></blockquote>
As if you have proven there is not bias in the media as a whole? As if we are struggling to prove it? I will try and return later with documentation. But, in the interim, anyone who doesn't believe there is tremendous bias in the media needs to hear this term:
"Election 2000"
'nuff said.
:cool:
[ 06-18-2002: Message edited by: SDW2001 ]
[ 06-18-2002: Message edited by: SDW2001 ]</p>
The press votes democratic by a 9 to 1 margin. No bias could ever come from that! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
The question still hasn't been answered. Not even properly addressed. How's it possible? It represents a major hole in the idea that the media is controlled by liberals. So yes, still in check.
Therefore...
All major publications/broadcasts are told from above to promote corporate interests. What are these corporate interests? They are the same ones that the Republicrats have. No large media network will ever question the war on terrorism because that is biting the hand that feeds them - it would go against the owners interests. Say a defense contractor is on the board of directors at CNN and an oil company on NBC - why in god's name would either of these stations air a story about the evils of oil consumption or the failure of the war on terrorism? Thus - the media has an agenda - plain and simple and you guys need to recognize that.
Here is a good site to show you why America is truly hated. And by the way SDW, please read through all the way through the articles on this page. It was also not written by some 'bleeding-heart liberal' either. It was an ex-CIA man, someone you can identify with.
<a href="http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Stockwell/John_Stockwell.html"; target="_blank">web page</a>
And, the press DOES vote 9-1 democratic as I said. That is a hard number to spin.
I would also say there is a difference between political "leaning" and flat out bias. My perceptions over the past years are as follows:
CNN: Left leaning.
MSNBC; Left leaning
ABC: Left BIAS
CBS Left BIAS
FoxNews: Conservative leaning
NBC: Left leaning, but only slightly.
And just so you folks know, the liberal bias in hollywood is even worse in my opinion, though at least that isn't portrayed as news.
Jimmac, I think my first part of the post addressed your question.
PS: Just to prove that I'm not out to "only hear my views" I am an avid watcher of the liberal leaning The West Wing TV drama. I know that's just a TV show, but there is no question that show leans hard left. It even directly pokes at Bush and was created by a flaming, screaming liberal, Aaron Sorkin. I watch it anyway because it is entertaining. So there.
<strong>You guys are absolutely kidding yourselves. The problem isn't always in the ownership, it is in the news directors, anchors, reporters, etc.
And, the press DOES vote 9-1 democratic as I said. That is a hard number to spin.
I would also say there is a difference between political "leaning" and flat out bias. My perceptions over the past years are as follows:
CNN: Left leaning.
MSNBC; Left leaning
ABC: Left BIAS
CBS Left BIAS
FoxNews: Conservative leaning
NBC: Left leaning, but only slightly.
And just so you folks know, the liberal bias in hollywood is even worse in my opinion, though at least that isn't portrayed as news.
Jimmac, I think my first part of the post addressed your question.
PS: Just to prove that I'm not out to "only hear my views" I am an avid watcher of the liberal leaning The West Wing TV drama. I know that's just a TV show, but there is no question that show leans hard left. It even directly pokes at Bush and was created by a flaming, screaming liberal, Aaron Sorkin. I watch it anyway because it is entertaining. So there.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Excuse the humble question of a foreigner : but how it's possible that 80 % of the media are leftie if halp the population of the US is republican. Does it means that all republicans read Fox new or that republicans read less than liberals ?
<strong>
Excuse the humble question of a foreigner : but how it's possible that 80 % of the media are leftie if halp the population of the US is republican. Does it means that all republicans read Fox new or that republicans read less than liberals ?</strong><hr></blockquote>
You are assuming that the media is split 50/50. As I said it is most definitely not. It votes 9 to 1 democratic, as I have now said twice before. That is 90% liberal views......much of which leaks onto the air.
<strong>
You are assuming that the media is split 50/50. As I said it is most definitely not. It votes 9 to 1 democratic, as I have now said twice before. That is 90% liberal views......much of which leaks onto the air.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Do you mean that republicans are obliged to read Liberal newspapers ?
<strong>
You are assuming that the media is split 50/50. As I said it is most definitely not. It votes 9 to 1 democratic, as I have now said twice before. That is 90% liberal views......much of which leaks onto the air.</strong><hr></blockquote>
hehe are you Bill Orielly or son of his !? ..
His is one of the biggest @$$H0773 I've ever seen in my entire life.
<strong>
Does it means that all republicans read Fox new or that republicans read less than liberals ?</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> I've sorely missed powerdoc's opinion. Hilarious.
Also, mods, WHAT HAPPENED TO TWO OF OUR PAGES? We had 10 pages this morning. Right now we only have 8??
<strong>What would we call it?
Also, mods, WHAT HAPPENED TO TWO OF OUR PAGES? We had 10 pages this morning. Right now we only have 8??</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's because there is now 50 post per pages (including the original post : 49 + 1).
Well you stated some of the indirect reasons you think liberals control the media ( at least that's what you're infering here once again ) but, you didn't address my question at all.
You're doing a good jig around it but still haven't explained how ( if what you say is true ) this could have happened.
Still in check.
[ 06-19-2002: Message edited by: jimmac ]</p>
<strong>SDW,
Well you stated some of the indirect reasons you think liberals control the media ( at least that's what you're infering here once again ) but, you didn't address my question at all.
You're doing a good jig around it but still haven't explained how ( if what you say is true ) this could have happened.
Still in check.
[ 06-19-2002: Message edited by: jimmac ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
You are going to have to restate the question for me. I thought I did answer it.
powerdoc: Yes, we do have to read liberal newspapers and watch liberally biased TV stations. It is 90% of the media. Or, do you advocate I only watch stations that reflect my own views? I don't.