Back in the mid 1990's I worked for a company that did business in mainland China. People would come back with copies of software that retailed for thousands of dollars, yet the street cost in China was $50.00. It was amazing. And the copies worked. So I am not surprised that there are good. Knock off phones in China.
Much easier to copy software than hardware. Digital media can be copied exactly and at the speed of light. A little minor tweeking of the splash screen with a new title and you're good to go. Hardware can be copied too, but requires a lot more effort and investment.
i agree. its like the old 'windows copied apple' from years ago. never once sat down at a windows os machine and mistook it for an apple. same with an android phone.
Android is a rather *bad* copy of iOS and Windows is a rather *bad* copy of the Mac, but that doesn't mean they aren't copies all the same.
Before the Mac, well Windows didn't even exist. Before OS-X Windows was nothing like it, immediately afterwards, we get Windows 95 which copied a lot of the ideas. Eventually it evolves into Windows 7 which lifts pretty much every idea OS-X ever had. Before iOS devices, Android looked like Blackberry, immediately after iPhone debuts, it morphs into something with multi-touch, capacitive screens, physics scrolling and pretty much every other innovation iOS ever introduced.
Sure, only a fool would sit down at a Windows computer and mistake it for a Mac, and only a fool couldn't see the difference between Android and iOS, but they are still most definitely copies of the ideas that originated out of Infinite Loop. To argue otherwise is just ridiculous IMO. In each case, Apple was first, Apple was original, and the others followed by implementing slightly different versions of their ideas.
Let's not forget that the West did not exactly pay them royalties for paper, gunpowder, ceramics, Delft-ware, noodles (pasta), etc.
They must have had very high respect for the Chinese back then!
LOL... I have Chinese friends who keep talking about gunpowder and noodles being copied by the West. Yeah that's sooo 16th Century. Try still cherish that technology. Since then, the West has moved on to bigger technologies like semiconductors & nuclear fission.
Android is a rather *bad* copy of iOS and Windows is a rather *bad* copy of the Mac, but that doesn't mean they aren't copies all the same.
Before the Mac, well Windows didn't even exist. Before OS-X Windows was nothing like it, immediately afterwards, we get Windows 95 which copied a lot of the ideas. Eventually it evolves into Windows 7 which lifts pretty much every idea OS-X ever had. Before iOS devices, Android looked like Blackberry, immediately after iPhone debuts, it morphs into something with multi-touch, capacitive screens, physics scrolling and pretty much every other innovation iOS ever introduced.
Sure, only a fool would sit down at a Windows computer and mistake it for a Mac, and only a fool couldn't see the difference between Android and iOS, but they are still most definitely copies of the ideas that originated out of Infinite Loop. To argue otherwise is just ridiculous IMO. In each case, Apple was first, Apple was original, and the others followed by implementing slightly different versions of their ideas.
Apple was not first nor original. The Lisa and Mac were blatant coppies of Xerox's internal computers. Mac OSX is an evolved form of AT&T's UNIX OS from 4 decades ago, with a GUI that is a copy of their own Xerox based one and various earlier UNIX GUI's. Safari is a copy of Mosaic, Netscape and IE, and when it comes to the iPhone, mobile safari is an impoved version of the mobile browser, something Microsoft had had in some form for over a decade. Even the iPod was a copy of earlier MP3 players.
Apple's success is from taking other peoples ideas and doing something better with them. They are no more or less original than MS, Google, or a ton of other tech companies.
So what if anything significant did Apple do FIRST?
Apple was not first nor original. The Lisa and Mac were blatant coppies of Xerox's internal computers. Mac OSX is an evolved form of AT&T's UNIX OS from 4 decades ago, with a GUI that is a copy of their own Xerox based one and various earlier UNIX GUI's. Safari is a copy of Mosaic, Netscape and IE, and when it comes to the iPhone, mobile safari is an impoved version of the mobile browser, something Microsoft had had in some form for over a decade. Even the iPod was a copy of earlier MP3 players.
Apple's success is from taking other peoples ideas and doing something better with them. They are no more or less original than MS, Google, or a ton of other tech companies.
So what if anything significant did Apple do FIRST?
i don't agree with that. while apple may not have originated every idea they do seem to take an idea and go their own way with it. and ms has always played catch-up. its they way they operate.
But jobs does seem to think that he should own a lot of 'ideas' that he clearly didn't come up with himself. lol
He didn't work some magic and dream up the Mac. He was kicked off the lisa team and then bullied his way around/took control of someone elses idea/project called 'macintosh'.
Let's not forget that the West did not exactly pay them royalties for paper, gunpowder, ceramics, Delft-ware, noodles (pasta), etc.
They must have had very high respect for the Chinese back then!
Who is "the West" and I don't think copywrite even existed back then.
As I said though this thing looks nothing like the iPhone. I think Evo or Droid look more like iPhone then M8. I guess the button has a square looking M in it, but that's about it.
...Before the Mac, well Windows didn't even exist. Before OS-X Windows was nothing like it, immediately afterwards, we get Windows 95 which copied a lot of the ideas...
Mac OS X came in 1999, four years after Windows 95. In 1995, Apple still have not bought NeXT, the company that developed the bases for Mac OS X. How did Windows 95 copy ideas from the future?
That's what you get for bluntly copying apple. And that CEO shield not be a bit surprised! D-Bag! I understand BlackBerry and Android are all "inspired" and "borrow" everything apple creates but stealing the whole phone, its business structure is just low.
The copies started LONG before this phone. I'd say the copying began about the time EVERY phone became a touch screen. Sorry Mr. Wong. Honestly, let's try and show a little more creativity, k?
Apple was not first nor original. The Lisa and Mac were blatant coppies of Xerox's internal computers. Mac OSX is an evolved form of AT&T's UNIX OS from 4 decades ago, with a GUI that is a copy of their own Xerox based one and various earlier UNIX GUI's. Safari is a copy of Mosaic, Netscape and IE, and when it comes to the iPhone, mobile safari is an impoved version of the mobile browser, something Microsoft had had in some form for over a decade. Even the iPod was a copy of earlier MP3 players.
Apple's success is from taking other peoples ideas and doing something better with them. They are no more or less original than MS, Google, or a ton of other tech companies.
So what if anything significant did Apple do FIRST?
In India there are lots and lots of lookalikes of iPhone. They are even shown on TV by Home shopping networks...it would be difficult for Apple to stop them all over the world.
i agree. its like the old 'windows copied apple' from years ago. never once sat down at a windows os machine and mistook it for an apple. same with an android phone.
That's why there is copying and blatant copying. Key word here is copying.
Apple was not first nor original. The Lisa and Mac were blatant coppies of Xerox's internal computers. Mac OSX is an evolved form of AT&T's UNIX OS from 4 decades ago, with a GUI that is a copy of their own Xerox based one and various earlier UNIX GUI's. Safari is a copy of Mosaic, Netscape and IE, and when it comes to the iPhone, mobile safari is an impoved version of the mobile browser, something Microsoft had had in some form for over a decade. Even the iPod was a copy of earlier MP3 players.
Apple's success is from taking other peoples ideas and doing something better with them. They are no more or less original than MS, Google, or a ton of other tech companies.
So what if anything significant did Apple do FIRST?
You shoud take some history and common sense lessons, because you have no idea what you are talking about.
It?s the number of cellular customers a country has but how many purchases a company can realistically gain from that country. it seems to me that China has a lot more potential customers with a less hurdles now. They manufacturer the phones there, they have 2 stores and they have the largest single carrier in the world with 570 million subs practically begging for the iPhone.
On top of that, India?s largest carrier, Bharti Airtel, only has EDGE data as far as I tell and is smaller than China?s 2nd largest carrier. Apple?s official partners in India are about on part with China Unicom, but I still don?t think either has any real UMTS network and from the last time I was there the prices were outrageous for anytime non-Indian. Even a Nokia phone cost $900 USD when i could get it elsewhere for half that price. The iPhone hadn?t gotten there yet hence my lack of a direct comparison.
I?m not saying India should be ignored, and it?s not being ignored as there are two carriers officially selling the iPhone, but the market doesn?t seem as good as China with a thriving economy and a culture that is changing and with great interest in Western goods. It doesn?t make one better or worse than the other, but it makes one better and worse from Apple?s business perspective at the moment.
The most popular ones that are out there costs $200+ which potentially means that people can buy stuff around that range. There are problems with the government clearance for the device similar to china for security reasons. But, the prices are made outrageous by greedy carriers & device manufactures, an iphone cost $750 bucks is too much and because of this removing Nokia & Samsung out of Asian markets will be tough, they are sitting on that $200 segment.
Android is a rather *bad* copy of iOS and Windows is a rather *bad* copy of the Mac, but that doesn't mean they aren't copies all the same.
Before the Mac, well Windows didn't even exist. Before OS-X Windows was nothing like it, immediately afterwards, we get Windows 95 which copied a lot of the ideas. Eventually it evolves into Windows 7 which lifts pretty much every idea OS-X ever had. Before iOS devices, Android looked like Blackberry, immediately after iPhone debuts, it morphs into something with multi-touch, capacitive screens, physics scrolling and pretty much every other innovation iOS ever introduced.
Sure, only a fool would sit down at a Windows computer and mistake it for a Mac, and only a fool couldn't see the difference between Android and iOS, but they are still most definitely copies of the ideas that originated out of Infinite Loop. To argue otherwise is just ridiculous IMO. In each case, Apple was first, Apple was original, and the others followed by implementing slightly different versions of their ideas.
In a crunched economy this things helps companies by not worrying about the next big idea and just keep copying. They can divert the R&D cost to marketing & other things like investigating new ways of Monkey dancing, Funeral Dancing etc..,
Mac OS X came in 1999, four years after Windows 95. In 1995, Apple still have not bought NeXT, the company that developed the bases for Mac OS X. How did Windows 95 copy ideas from the future?
USING A MS TIME MACHINE, may be that crashed in the middle hence Windows 95 sucked.
Once I learned that the term "oriental" was considered inappropriate by a number of people, I dropped it--like you pointed out, there are other, acceptable terms that have the same root meaning without the emotional baggage...
It all depends how you use it. You probably should avoid it in association with people however rugs is ok.
Mac OS X came in 1999, four years after Windows 95. In 1995, Apple still have not bought NeXT, the company that developed the bases for Mac OS X. How did Windows 95 copy ideas from the future?
All versions of Windows copied ideas from Apple's pre-OS X Macintosh system software in the 1980s. Microsoft ultimately got away with it because Apple was careless in how broadly it agreed to share intellectual property with Microsoft when the Mac first came out. Apple needed Microsoft Word and Multiplan (Excel) for the Mac and Microsoft took the ideas and made Windows and Microsoft Office for Windows.
Apple got some of its ideas from Xerox, but Xerox was paid in Apple stock before the IPO and came out nicely.
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Back in the mid 1990's I worked for a company that did business in mainland China. People would come back with copies of software that retailed for thousands of dollars, yet the street cost in China was $50.00. It was amazing. And the copies worked. So I am not surprised that there are good. Knock off phones in China.
Much easier to copy software than hardware. Digital media can be copied exactly and at the speed of light. A little minor tweeking of the splash screen with a new title and you're good to go. Hardware can be copied too, but requires a lot more effort and investment.
i agree. its like the old 'windows copied apple' from years ago. never once sat down at a windows os machine and mistook it for an apple. same with an android phone.
Android is a rather *bad* copy of iOS and Windows is a rather *bad* copy of the Mac, but that doesn't mean they aren't copies all the same.
Before the Mac, well Windows didn't even exist. Before OS-X Windows was nothing like it, immediately afterwards, we get Windows 95 which copied a lot of the ideas. Eventually it evolves into Windows 7 which lifts pretty much every idea OS-X ever had. Before iOS devices, Android looked like Blackberry, immediately after iPhone debuts, it morphs into something with multi-touch, capacitive screens, physics scrolling and pretty much every other innovation iOS ever introduced.
Sure, only a fool would sit down at a Windows computer and mistake it for a Mac, and only a fool couldn't see the difference between Android and iOS, but they are still most definitely copies of the ideas that originated out of Infinite Loop. To argue otherwise is just ridiculous IMO. In each case, Apple was first, Apple was original, and the others followed by implementing slightly different versions of their ideas.
Let's not forget that the West did not exactly pay them royalties for paper, gunpowder, ceramics, Delft-ware, noodles (pasta), etc.
They must have had very high respect for the Chinese back then!
LOL... I have Chinese friends who keep talking about gunpowder and noodles being copied by the West. Yeah that's sooo 16th Century. Try still cherish that technology. Since then, the West has moved on to bigger technologies like semiconductors & nuclear fission.
Android is a rather *bad* copy of iOS and Windows is a rather *bad* copy of the Mac, but that doesn't mean they aren't copies all the same.
Before the Mac, well Windows didn't even exist. Before OS-X Windows was nothing like it, immediately afterwards, we get Windows 95 which copied a lot of the ideas. Eventually it evolves into Windows 7 which lifts pretty much every idea OS-X ever had. Before iOS devices, Android looked like Blackberry, immediately after iPhone debuts, it morphs into something with multi-touch, capacitive screens, physics scrolling and pretty much every other innovation iOS ever introduced.
Sure, only a fool would sit down at a Windows computer and mistake it for a Mac, and only a fool couldn't see the difference between Android and iOS, but they are still most definitely copies of the ideas that originated out of Infinite Loop. To argue otherwise is just ridiculous IMO. In each case, Apple was first, Apple was original, and the others followed by implementing slightly different versions of their ideas.
Apple was not first nor original. The Lisa and Mac were blatant coppies of Xerox's internal computers. Mac OSX is an evolved form of AT&T's UNIX OS from 4 decades ago, with a GUI that is a copy of their own Xerox based one and various earlier UNIX GUI's. Safari is a copy of Mosaic, Netscape and IE, and when it comes to the iPhone, mobile safari is an impoved version of the mobile browser, something Microsoft had had in some form for over a decade. Even the iPod was a copy of earlier MP3 players.
Apple's success is from taking other peoples ideas and doing something better with them. They are no more or less original than MS, Google, or a ton of other tech companies.
So what if anything significant did Apple do FIRST?
Apple was not first nor original. The Lisa and Mac were blatant coppies of Xerox's internal computers. Mac OSX is an evolved form of AT&T's UNIX OS from 4 decades ago, with a GUI that is a copy of their own Xerox based one and various earlier UNIX GUI's. Safari is a copy of Mosaic, Netscape and IE, and when it comes to the iPhone, mobile safari is an impoved version of the mobile browser, something Microsoft had had in some form for over a decade. Even the iPod was a copy of earlier MP3 players.
Apple's success is from taking other peoples ideas and doing something better with them. They are no more or less original than MS, Google, or a ton of other tech companies.
So what if anything significant did Apple do FIRST?
i don't agree with that. while apple may not have originated every idea they do seem to take an idea and go their own way with it. and ms has always played catch-up. its they way they operate.
But jobs does seem to think that he should own a lot of 'ideas' that he clearly didn't come up with himself. lol
He didn't work some magic and dream up the Mac. He was kicked off the lisa team and then bullied his way around/took control of someone elses idea/project called 'macintosh'.
Let's not forget that the West did not exactly pay them royalties for paper, gunpowder, ceramics, Delft-ware, noodles (pasta), etc.
They must have had very high respect for the Chinese back then!
Who is "the West" and I don't think copywrite even existed back then.
As I said though this thing looks nothing like the iPhone. I think Evo or Droid look more like iPhone then M8. I guess the button has a square looking M in it, but that's about it.
...Before the Mac, well Windows didn't even exist. Before OS-X Windows was nothing like it, immediately afterwards, we get Windows 95 which copied a lot of the ideas...
Mac OS X came in 1999, four years after Windows 95. In 1995, Apple still have not bought NeXT, the company that developed the bases for Mac OS X. How did Windows 95 copy ideas from the future?
Apple was not first nor original. The Lisa and Mac were blatant coppies of Xerox's internal computers. Mac OSX is an evolved form of AT&T's UNIX OS from 4 decades ago, with a GUI that is a copy of their own Xerox based one and various earlier UNIX GUI's. Safari is a copy of Mosaic, Netscape and IE, and when it comes to the iPhone, mobile safari is an impoved version of the mobile browser, something Microsoft had had in some form for over a decade. Even the iPod was a copy of earlier MP3 players.
Apple's success is from taking other peoples ideas and doing something better with them. They are no more or less original than MS, Google, or a ton of other tech companies.
So what if anything significant did Apple do FIRST?
APPLE was the first to do it well.
i agree. its like the old 'windows copied apple' from years ago. never once sat down at a windows os machine and mistook it for an apple. same with an android phone.
That's why there is copying and blatant copying. Key word here is copying.
Apple was not first nor original. The Lisa and Mac were blatant coppies of Xerox's internal computers. Mac OSX is an evolved form of AT&T's UNIX OS from 4 decades ago, with a GUI that is a copy of their own Xerox based one and various earlier UNIX GUI's. Safari is a copy of Mosaic, Netscape and IE, and when it comes to the iPhone, mobile safari is an impoved version of the mobile browser, something Microsoft had had in some form for over a decade. Even the iPod was a copy of earlier MP3 players.
Apple's success is from taking other peoples ideas and doing something better with them. They are no more or less original than MS, Google, or a ton of other tech companies.
So what if anything significant did Apple do FIRST?
You shoud take some history and common sense lessons, because you have no idea what you are talking about.
But apple has not pushed enough into this market
This.
It?s the number of cellular customers a country has but how many purchases a company can realistically gain from that country. it seems to me that China has a lot more potential customers with a less hurdles now. They manufacturer the phones there, they have 2 stores and they have the largest single carrier in the world with 570 million subs practically begging for the iPhone.
On top of that, India?s largest carrier, Bharti Airtel, only has EDGE data as far as I tell and is smaller than China?s 2nd largest carrier. Apple?s official partners in India are about on part with China Unicom, but I still don?t think either has any real UMTS network and from the last time I was there the prices were outrageous for anytime non-Indian. Even a Nokia phone cost $900 USD when i could get it elsewhere for half that price. The iPhone hadn?t gotten there yet hence my lack of a direct comparison.
I?m not saying India should be ignored, and it?s not being ignored as there are two carriers officially selling the iPhone, but the market doesn?t seem as good as China with a thriving economy and a culture that is changing and with great interest in Western goods. It doesn?t make one better or worse than the other, but it makes one better and worse from Apple?s business perspective at the moment.
The most popular ones that are out there costs $200+ which potentially means that people can buy stuff around that range. There are problems with the government clearance for the device similar to china for security reasons. But, the prices are made outrageous by greedy carriers & device manufactures, an iphone cost $750 bucks is too much and because of this removing Nokia & Samsung out of Asian markets will be tough, they are sitting on that $200 segment.
Android is a rather *bad* copy of iOS and Windows is a rather *bad* copy of the Mac, but that doesn't mean they aren't copies all the same.
Before the Mac, well Windows didn't even exist. Before OS-X Windows was nothing like it, immediately afterwards, we get Windows 95 which copied a lot of the ideas. Eventually it evolves into Windows 7 which lifts pretty much every idea OS-X ever had. Before iOS devices, Android looked like Blackberry, immediately after iPhone debuts, it morphs into something with multi-touch, capacitive screens, physics scrolling and pretty much every other innovation iOS ever introduced.
Sure, only a fool would sit down at a Windows computer and mistake it for a Mac, and only a fool couldn't see the difference between Android and iOS, but they are still most definitely copies of the ideas that originated out of Infinite Loop. To argue otherwise is just ridiculous IMO. In each case, Apple was first, Apple was original, and the others followed by implementing slightly different versions of their ideas.
In a crunched economy this things helps companies by not worrying about the next big idea and just keep copying. They can divert the R&D cost to marketing & other things like investigating new ways of Monkey dancing, Funeral Dancing etc..,
Mac OS X came in 1999, four years after Windows 95. In 1995, Apple still have not bought NeXT, the company that developed the bases for Mac OS X. How did Windows 95 copy ideas from the future?
USING A MS TIME MACHINE, may be that crashed in the middle hence Windows 95 sucked.
Once I learned that the term "oriental" was considered inappropriate by a number of people, I dropped it--like you pointed out, there are other, acceptable terms that have the same root meaning without the emotional baggage...
It all depends how you use it. You probably should avoid it in association with people however rugs is ok.
Mac OS X came in 1999, four years after Windows 95. In 1995, Apple still have not bought NeXT, the company that developed the bases for Mac OS X. How did Windows 95 copy ideas from the future?
All versions of Windows copied ideas from Apple's pre-OS X Macintosh system software in the 1980s. Microsoft ultimately got away with it because Apple was careless in how broadly it agreed to share intellectual property with Microsoft when the Mac first came out. Apple needed Microsoft Word and Multiplan (Excel) for the Mac and Microsoft took the ideas and made Windows and Microsoft Office for Windows.
Apple got some of its ideas from Xerox, but Xerox was paid in Apple stock before the IPO and came out nicely.