As for that comment about Asbergers, I don't know (or care) whether Jobs has it, but I think a certain amount of mental disorder is necessary to achieve almost anything earth-shattering because it requires a level of obsessiveness and/or arrogance that I think most psychologists would think is not healthy. "Normal" people seek the approval of others, find balance between work and family and are logical about the potential success of their ideas in the real world, all of which limit what they can achieve.
Excellent point. In other words, the world would be a very different place without people who "think different."
See, kids of the world... college is a huge waste of time when you're talented and driven... and if you have Aspergers.
Hate to argue with you, Spam, but actually, I think the average Aspergers type has trouble accessing their right hemisphere, whereas SJ seems very strong in that department. Using a phrase like "packages of emphasis" to explain how you arrive at a particular product design is a totally right-brain thing to say (the D8 interview). Or maybe whole-brain.
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What would be hilarious is if they did a section on his late teens and early twenties when he was dropping a little acid every now and then ... the setting could be Woz's old house.
Jobs: I took two hits of acid, and I'm totally trippin right now
And I don't think Asperger types do well on acid, at least without a lot preparation and guidance. Nor do they go to India for enlightenment much . . . .
Anyway, I know you were joking, but we don't want to give the Jobsophobes any more excuses for their inability to understand.
What would be hilarious is if they did a section on his late teens and early twenties when he was dropping a little acid every now and then ... the setting could be Woz's old house.
Jobs: I took two hits of acid, and I'm totally trippin right now
Woz: Common Steve ... my parents are going to be home soon!
Jobs: No, no man ... check it out. This stuff really opens your mind ...
Woz: Last time you used it you went on a twenty minute diatribe on Twinkies ...
Jobs: Check it out ... like in the future man ... phones, they won't have any buttons, and they will be able to hold and play all your music and photos and stuff.
Woz: Damn ... you are trippin!
I know you are saying this in jest, but the John Lennon's and Steve Job's of this world are indeed the rare exceptions. I would put it to you that they became a success "in spite" of their drug use as opposed to the use of drugs.
Don't get me wrong! I love beer, but for anything you want to achieve in life, it is usually easier without drugs and alcohol!
Funny how no one complains when they buy a B+O stereo about the price, yet, buy an Apple product and everyone thinks it should be as cheap as all the other ugly stuff out there.
Most, even Steve, acknowledge that NeXT was a failure, but it was a necessary failure that served as a learning and turning point for Steve. You can argue that NeXT was a success in building what became OSX, but it's prima-facie that it was a failure.
All businesses and humans experience failure. It's how we handle those failures and what we learn from them that define us. Most executives and leaders have a refined ability to analyze, learn, and grow from failure.
I know you are saying this in jest, but the John Lennon's and Steve Job's of this world are indeed the rare exceptions. I would put it to you that they became a success "in spite" of their drug use as opposed to the use of drugs.
Don't get me wrong! I love beer, but for anything you want to achieve in life, it is usually easier without drugs and alcohol!
Best
Thanks for the free advice. Here's a must-read for you in return. It's about Steve Jobs, Albert Hofmann, and all the way at the end, Francis Crick, DNA and LSD.
How can they possibly tell Jobs' story in any kind of comprehensive way in just one hour? (Same for most of the other future shows on other people.) You could spend an hour just on Pixar alone.
As for that comment about Asbergers, I don't know (or care) whether Jobs has it, but I think a certain amount of mental disorder is necessary to achieve almost anything earth-shattering because it requires a level of obsessiveness and/or arrogance that I think most psychologists would think is not healthy. "Normal" people seek the approval of others, find balance between work and family and are logical about the potential success of their ideas in the real world, all of which limit what they can achieve.
People like Jobs, Ellison, Gates, Zuckerberg, etc., all have qualities that exhibit what most of us would consider abnormal or undesirable behavior at least some of the time. Same is true for most great artists (Picasso treated women like crap), musicians (John Lennon carried lots of issues about abandonment) and even figures like Ghandi and Martin Luther King.
This probably happens several times daily around the world, but guys, it is Gandhi not Ghandi. Read out loud, Ghandi can be easily mistaken for a rather distasteful name for any man.
I know you are saying this in jest, but the John Lennon's and Steve Job's of this world are indeed the rare exceptions. I would put it to you that they became a success "in spite" of their drug use as opposed to the use of drugs.
Don't get me wrong! I love beer, but for anything you want to achieve in life, it is usually easier without drugs and alcohol!
Best
Or it could be that it is irrelevant. The people aren't "making it" cuz their on drugs, prbably couldn't make it without drugs either.
The ones that do, can handle their vices (pick anything, not just drugs)
As for that comment about Asbergers, I don't know (or care) whether Jobs has it, but I think a certain amount of mental disorder is necessary to achieve almost anything earth-shattering because it requires a level of obsessiveness and/or arrogance that I think most psychologists would think is not healthy. "Normal" people seek the approval of others, find balance between work and family and are logical about the potential success of their ideas in the real world, all of which limit what they can achieve.
People like Jobs, Ellison, Gates, Zuckerberg, etc., all have qualities that exhibit what most of us would consider abnormal or undesirable behavior at least some of the time. Same is true for most great artists (Picasso treated women like crap), musicians (John Lennon carried lots of issues about abandonment) and even figures like Ghandi and Martin Luther King.
Believe it or not, the Asperger's comment I made was meant as a compliment. Some of the greatest talents I've known have had some kind of obsessive-compulsive, Asperger's syndrome or other quality that made them the best at what they did.
Microsoft did change the game, it's just we are no longer in the 1980s.
Microsoft changed the game by copying badly and flooding markets, not by innovation, but by stifling the innovation of the competition. To this day, the only "good" things to come out of Microsoft are Active-Directory and Exchange/Office... everything else is basically stolen crap warmed over (including anything NT or Windows related -- Get yet history straight, MS stole all of it from DEC and Apple, respectively... nothing was really taken from Xerox). And since AD is based on OSS LDAP, really that leaves Exchange/Office which was a distant second anyway, but credit where credit is due ? since there are few contenders in that space, even if it drives us nuts at times. Well... OK, I suppose XBox is a decent product, but it's debatable.
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As for that comment about Asbergers, I don't know (or care) whether Jobs has it, but I think a certain amount of mental disorder is necessary to achieve almost anything earth-shattering because it requires a level of obsessiveness and/or arrogance that I think most psychologists would think is not healthy. "Normal" people seek the approval of others, find balance between work and family and are logical about the potential success of their ideas in the real world, all of which limit what they can achieve.
Excellent point. In other words, the world would be a very different place without people who "think different."
See, kids of the world... college is a huge waste of time when you're talented and driven... and if you have Aspergers.
Hate to argue with you, Spam, but actually, I think the average Aspergers type has trouble accessing their right hemisphere, whereas SJ seems very strong in that department. Using a phrase like "packages of emphasis" to explain how you arrive at a particular product design is a totally right-brain thing to say (the D8 interview). Or maybe whole-brain.
What would be hilarious is if they did a section on his late teens and early twenties when he was dropping a little acid every now and then ... the setting could be Woz's old house.
Jobs: I took two hits of acid, and I'm totally trippin right now
And I don't think Asperger types do well on acid, at least without a lot preparation and guidance. Nor do they go to India for enlightenment much . . . .
Anyway, I know you were joking, but we don't want to give the Jobsophobes any more excuses for their inability to understand.
What would be hilarious is if they did a section on his late teens and early twenties when he was dropping a little acid every now and then ... the setting could be Woz's old house.
Jobs: I took two hits of acid, and I'm totally trippin right now
Woz: Common Steve ... my parents are going to be home soon!
Jobs: No, no man ... check it out. This stuff really opens your mind ...
Woz: Last time you used it you went on a twenty minute diatribe on Twinkies ...
Jobs: Check it out ... like in the future man ... phones, they won't have any buttons, and they will be able to hold and play all your music and photos and stuff.
Woz: Damn ... you are trippin!
I know you are saying this in jest, but the John Lennon's and Steve Job's of this world are indeed the rare exceptions. I would put it to you that they became a success "in spite" of their drug use as opposed to the use of drugs.
Don't get me wrong! I love beer, but for anything you want to achieve in life, it is usually easier without drugs and alcohol!
Best
Funny how no one complains when they buy a B+O stereo about the price, yet, buy an Apple product and everyone thinks it should be as cheap as all the other ugly stuff out there.
Agreed and well said!
Wot No Steve Ballmer?
My first thought when I read this article!
Steve Ballmer: Don'ts.
Bloomberg should follow up on the Jobs show with a Ballmer show. As in
"Let this be a warning to tech company CEOs. This could be you if you don't innovate."
No Bill Gates???
No Larry Ellison???
No Jean-Louiss???
No Gil Amelio? How is this possible?
Hrm... Really?
"his failure at NeXT"
Hrm... Really?
Most, even Steve, acknowledge that NeXT was a failure, but it was a necessary failure that served as a learning and turning point for Steve. You can argue that NeXT was a success in building what became OSX, but it's prima-facie that it was a failure.
All businesses and humans experience failure. It's how we handle those failures and what we learn from them that define us. Most executives and leaders have a refined ability to analyze, learn, and grow from failure.
I know you are saying this in jest, but the John Lennon's and Steve Job's of this world are indeed the rare exceptions. I would put it to you that they became a success "in spite" of their drug use as opposed to the use of drugs.
Don't get me wrong! I love beer, but for anything you want to achieve in life, it is usually easier without drugs and alcohol!
Best
Thanks for the free advice. Here's a must-read for you in return. It's about Steve Jobs, Albert Hofmann, and all the way at the end, Francis Crick, DNA and LSD.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ryan-g..._b_227887.html
Just in case they do their job on Thursday and talk about this phase of SJ's education.
How can they possibly tell Jobs' story in any kind of comprehensive way in just one hour? (Same for most of the other future shows on other people.) You could spend an hour just on Pixar alone.
As for that comment about Asbergers, I don't know (or care) whether Jobs has it, but I think a certain amount of mental disorder is necessary to achieve almost anything earth-shattering because it requires a level of obsessiveness and/or arrogance that I think most psychologists would think is not healthy. "Normal" people seek the approval of others, find balance between work and family and are logical about the potential success of their ideas in the real world, all of which limit what they can achieve.
People like Jobs, Ellison, Gates, Zuckerberg, etc., all have qualities that exhibit what most of us would consider abnormal or undesirable behavior at least some of the time. Same is true for most great artists (Picasso treated women like crap), musicians (John Lennon carried lots of issues about abandonment) and even figures like Ghandi and Martin Luther King.
This probably happens several times daily around the world, but guys, it is Gandhi not Ghandi. Read out loud, Ghandi can be easily mistaken for a rather distasteful name for any man.
I know you are saying this in jest, but the John Lennon's and Steve Job's of this world are indeed the rare exceptions. I would put it to you that they became a success "in spite" of their drug use as opposed to the use of drugs.
Don't get me wrong! I love beer, but for anything you want to achieve in life, it is usually easier without drugs and alcohol!
Best
Or it could be that it is irrelevant. The people aren't "making it" cuz their on drugs, prbably couldn't make it without drugs either.
The ones that do, can handle their vices (pick anything, not just drugs)
As for that comment about Asbergers, I don't know (or care) whether Jobs has it, but I think a certain amount of mental disorder is necessary to achieve almost anything earth-shattering because it requires a level of obsessiveness and/or arrogance that I think most psychologists would think is not healthy. "Normal" people seek the approval of others, find balance between work and family and are logical about the potential success of their ideas in the real world, all of which limit what they can achieve.
People like Jobs, Ellison, Gates, Zuckerberg, etc., all have qualities that exhibit what most of us would consider abnormal or undesirable behavior at least some of the time. Same is true for most great artists (Picasso treated women like crap), musicians (John Lennon carried lots of issues about abandonment) and even figures like Ghandi and Martin Luther King.
Believe it or not, the Asperger's comment I made was meant as a compliment. Some of the greatest talents I've known have had some kind of obsessive-compulsive, Asperger's syndrome or other quality that made them the best at what they did.
Microsoft did change the game, it's just we are no longer in the 1980s.
Microsoft changed the game by copying badly and flooding markets, not by innovation, but by stifling the innovation of the competition. To this day, the only "good" things to come out of Microsoft are Active-Directory and Exchange/Office... everything else is basically stolen crap warmed over (including anything NT or Windows related -- Get yet history straight, MS stole all of it from DEC and Apple, respectively... nothing was really taken from Xerox). And since AD is based on OSS LDAP, really that leaves Exchange/Office which was a distant second anyway, but credit where credit is due ? since there are few contenders in that space, even if it drives us nuts at times. Well... OK, I suppose XBox is a decent product, but it's debatable.