Obesity is not the problem, food addiction is. An addict will never admit to being addicted.
We have an expensive war against drugs which is going no where but if anyone would wage a war against food addiction the right will cry "liberty" " big government" "I want the freedom to roll around in my feces".
Obesity only cost us $ 147 billion per year. Enough to send everyone one who wants to go to college for free.
I think the definition of obesity is part of the problem. For example, I am overweight, but I am technically considered "obese." I see a need and have a desire to lose weight (and have before), but I'm also not panicking over the notion of staying where I am.
What I have a problem is what's going on in government right now concerning this. From Michelle Obama telling everyone what to do and then ordering a cheeseburger on a recent trip, to local governments/school districts and their health and wellness policies...it's the march of Health Nazis.
In a world that has private health coverage, and not nationalized, universal coverage, this isn't an issue. You reap what you sow. However, when I am paying a large portion of my taxes to support health services for the obese, or smokers, or basically anyone with an egregiously unhealthy lifestyle, then it is a real problem.
The first thing we need to do is start watching world football (soccer) instead of American football. When the de-facto male sex symbol is a guy who is way above his natural weight, it doesn't help one bit. Any guy who has spent time in soccer-loving nations can vouch that the girls there are much less interested in large men than they are in the states. After a few generations of that, believe me, obesity won't be an issue.
3 meals a week is unhealthy in itself, you've "progressed" from one extreme to the other and sound anorexic. People don't need to "stop eating". The best approach about a balanced, healthy lifestyle. Not this kind of sick control.
Health is observable in itself, not a hidden product of other factors. If the subject exhibits signs of being healthy, then the subject is healthy.
In a world that has private health coverage, and not nationalized, universal coverage, this isn't an issue. You reap what you sow. However, when I am paying a large portion of my taxes to support health services for the obese, or smokers, or basically anyone with an egregiously unhealthy lifestyle, then it is a real problem.
The first thing we need to do is start watching world football (soccer) instead of American football. When the de-facto male sex symbol is a guy who is way above his natural weight, it doesn't help one bit. Any guy who has spent time in soccer-loving nations can vouch that the girls there are much less interested in large men than they are in the states. After a few generations of that, believe me, obesity won't be an issue.
Yeah, that'll work. Let's start watching another sport. That's the ticket.
Yeah, that'll work. Let's start watching another sport. That's the ticket.
By the way, soccer is dumb.
I wrote that part mostly chuckling, which I'm sure you realize. That said, there is some truth in it. As for soccer, well, this year's world series reminded me of a good soccer game: suspenseful and low scoring. I'd be interested to see what the ratings were, compared to other years.
It's all about self-control. It is NOT an addiction... food does not trigger a chemical change in the brain like addictive substances do. Many people just lack the self control to stop eating when they should.
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Originally Posted by Wormhole
What...? Are you kidding? You can not be this uninformed, that's impossible, wow...!
This sort of shocking "ignorance" stems more from the inability to see from another point-of-view, especially a POV that differs drastically from that of their own. Some people--intelligent as they are--simply cannot be dissuaded by even the most solid of evidences, once their minds are made up.
Obstinacy & obesity are equally unhealthy for the mind and destructive to your loved ones. Seek help or self-help, everyone. The least we can all do is not judgmental jerks.
My 2 ¢ on the topic at hand is that it's clearly just a step farther of "being ok with who you are". Y'know what, it's their lives, it's their choice. We don't know all their back stories, ergo, we've no right to judge them one way or another. Just let be.
I wrote that part mostly chuckling, which I'm sure you realize. That said, there is some truth in it. As for soccer, well, this year's world series reminded me of a good soccer game: suspenseful and low scoring. I'd be interested to see what the ratings were, compared to other years.
I heard it was pretty bad. As a Philadelphia sports fan, I certainly didn't watch one inning.
This sort of shocking "ignorance" stems more from the inability to see from another point-of-view, especially a POV that differs drastically from that of their own. Some people--intelligent as they are--simply cannot be dissuaded by even the most solid of evidences, once their minds are made up.
Obstinacy & obesity are equally unhealthy for the mind and destructive to your loved ones. Seek help or self-help, everyone. The least we can all do is not judgmental jerks.
My 2 ¢ on the topic at hand is that it's clearly just a step farther of "being ok with who you are". Y'know what, it's their lives, it's their choice. We don't know all their back stories, ergo, we've no right to judge them one way or another. Just let be.
It's also my environment. Morbidly obese persons do use more energy to drive around, to fly and to cook food. Even their clothing takes more energy to make than my 33x32 jeans do.
It's also my environment. Morbidly obese persons do use more energy to drive around, to fly and to cook food. Even their clothing takes more energy to make than my 33x32 jeans do.
It is a problem for all of us.
Morbidly obese people? Yes. But I really think their impact on the environment is negligible.
Y'know what, it's their lives, it's their choice. We don't know all their back stories, ergo, we've no right to judge them one way or another. Just let be.
I am ALL FOR THAT.
The problem is, these fat folks want to take MY money to pay for health problems that are due to their weight... due to their own choices in life and their lack of self control.
Same goes for smoking... I don't care if they smoke, but they need to quit thinking that tax-money should be spent to help them when they get emphysema or cancer.
I heard it was pretty bad. As a Philadelphia sports fan, I certainly didn't watch one inning.
I checked: pretty lousy ratings, although the world series ratings have steadily declined in recent years. They have upticks when a major market is involved (i.e. NYC), but otherwise it's clear interest is waning in baseball. Nonetheless, I enjoyed watching SF in the playoffs this year, which is rare because I'm not really a baseball fan, nor do I have much history with the Giants (I'm from DC).
Are we still talking about obesity? Tomorrow I am going to wash-down an entire pecan pie (albeit a small one) with rye whiskey and dogfishhead.
I checked: pretty lousy ratings, although the world series ratings have steadily declined in recent years. They have upticks when a major market is involved (i.e. NYC), but otherwise it's clear interest is waning in baseball. Nonetheless, I enjoyed watching SF in the playoffs this year, which is rare because I'm not really a baseball fan, nor do I have much history with the Giants (I'm from DC).
Are we still talking about obesity? Tomorrow I am going to wash-down an entire pecan pie (albeit a small one) with rye whiskey and dogfishhead.
LOL. Agreed. This is not a good weekend to discuss obesity!
It's also my environment. Morbidly obese persons do use more energy to drive around, to fly and to cook food. Even their clothing takes more energy to make than my 33x32 jeans do.
It is a problem for all of us.
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Originally Posted by SDW2001
Morbidly obese people? Yes. But I really think their impact on the environment is negligible.
Ah, the Apple elite, driving around in their BMW's. I really think the resources used to make all of the stupid disposable toys and $60,000+ cars is a little more than a little cotton to make some jeans a little bigger. Give me a friggen break... A bunch of opinionated, judemental idgets.
Ah, the Apple elite, driving around in their BMW's. I really think the resources used to make all of the stupid disposable toys and $60,000+ cars is a little more than a little cotton to make some jeans a little bigger. Give me a friggen break... A bunch of opinionated, judemental idgets.
What about those of us who feel the same way about fat people, but drive well-maintained 10+ year old vehicles and live in modest houses?
They can be fat on their own dime... they've got no business taking tax-funded help to pay for problems of their own creation!
It's also my environment. Morbidly obese persons do use more energy to drive around, to fly and to cook food. Even their clothing takes more energy to make than my 33x32 jeans do.
It is a problem for all of us.
Of course obese people use more energy but because they die earlier in the end it balances all out.
Obesity is not a social issue as long as there is not socialized medicine, nor is smoking or drug use. To be fair, the common US practice of subsidizing healthcare via the employer is probably unfair, too.
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Obesity is not the problem, food addiction is. An addict will never admit to being addicted.
We have an expensive war against drugs which is going no where but if anyone would wage a war against food addiction the right will cry "liberty" " big government" "I want the freedom to roll around in my feces".
Obesity only cost us $ 147 billion per year. Enough to send everyone one who wants to go to college for free.
I think the definition of obesity is part of the problem. For example, I am overweight, but I am technically considered "obese." I see a need and have a desire to lose weight (and have before), but I'm also not panicking over the notion of staying where I am.
What I have a problem is what's going on in government right now concerning this. From Michelle Obama telling everyone what to do and then ordering a cheeseburger on a recent trip, to local governments/school districts and their health and wellness policies...it's the march of Health Nazis.
The first thing we need to do is start watching world football (soccer) instead of American football. When the de-facto male sex symbol is a guy who is way above his natural weight, it doesn't help one bit. Any guy who has spent time in soccer-loving nations can vouch that the girls there are much less interested in large men than they are in the states. After a few generations of that, believe me, obesity won't be an issue.
3 meals a week is unhealthy in itself, you've "progressed" from one extreme to the other and sound anorexic. People don't need to "stop eating". The best approach about a balanced, healthy lifestyle. Not this kind of sick control.
Health is observable in itself, not a hidden product of other factors. If the subject exhibits signs of being healthy, then the subject is healthy.
In a world that has private health coverage, and not nationalized, universal coverage, this isn't an issue. You reap what you sow. However, when I am paying a large portion of my taxes to support health services for the obese, or smokers, or basically anyone with an egregiously unhealthy lifestyle, then it is a real problem.
The first thing we need to do is start watching world football (soccer) instead of American football. When the de-facto male sex symbol is a guy who is way above his natural weight, it doesn't help one bit. Any guy who has spent time in soccer-loving nations can vouch that the girls there are much less interested in large men than they are in the states. After a few generations of that, believe me, obesity won't be an issue.
Yeah, that'll work. Let's start watching another sport. That's the ticket.
By the way, soccer is dumb.
Yeah, that'll work. Let's start watching another sport. That's the ticket.
By the way, soccer is dumb.
I wrote that part mostly chuckling, which I'm sure you realize. That said, there is some truth in it. As for soccer, well, this year's world series reminded me of a good soccer game: suspenseful and low scoring. I'd be interested to see what the ratings were, compared to other years.
It's all about self-control. It is NOT an addiction... food does not trigger a chemical change in the brain like addictive substances do. Many people just lack the self control to stop eating when they should.
What...? Are you kidding? You can not be this uninformed, that's impossible, wow...!
This sort of shocking "ignorance" stems more from the inability to see from another point-of-view, especially a POV that differs drastically from that of their own. Some people--intelligent as they are--simply cannot be dissuaded by even the most solid of evidences, once their minds are made up.
Obstinacy & obesity are equally unhealthy for the mind and destructive to your loved ones. Seek help or self-help, everyone. The least we can all do is not judgmental jerks.
My 2 ¢ on the topic at hand is that it's clearly just a step farther of "being ok with who you are". Y'know what, it's their lives, it's their choice. We don't know all their back stories, ergo, we've no right to judge them one way or another. Just let be.
Y'know what, it's their lives, it's their choice.
My money. My healthcare system. My insurance premiums. Even though I'm not one of them.
I wrote that part mostly chuckling, which I'm sure you realize. That said, there is some truth in it. As for soccer, well, this year's world series reminded me of a good soccer game: suspenseful and low scoring. I'd be interested to see what the ratings were, compared to other years.
I heard it was pretty bad. As a Philadelphia sports fan, I certainly didn't watch one inning.
This sort of shocking "ignorance" stems more from the inability to see from another point-of-view, especially a POV that differs drastically from that of their own. Some people--intelligent as they are--simply cannot be dissuaded by even the most solid of evidences, once their minds are made up.
Obstinacy & obesity are equally unhealthy for the mind and destructive to your loved ones. Seek help or self-help, everyone. The least we can all do is not judgmental jerks.
My 2 ¢ on the topic at hand is that it's clearly just a step farther of "being ok with who you are". Y'know what, it's their lives, it's their choice. We don't know all their back stories, ergo, we've no right to judge them one way or another. Just let be.
It's also my environment. Morbidly obese persons do use more energy to drive around, to fly and to cook food. Even their clothing takes more energy to make than my 33x32 jeans do.
It is a problem for all of us.
It's also my environment. Morbidly obese persons do use more energy to drive around, to fly and to cook food. Even their clothing takes more energy to make than my 33x32 jeans do.
It is a problem for all of us.
Morbidly obese people? Yes. But I really think their impact on the environment is negligible.
Y'know what, it's their lives, it's their choice. We don't know all their back stories, ergo, we've no right to judge them one way or another. Just let be.
I am ALL FOR THAT.
The problem is, these fat folks want to take MY money to pay for health problems that are due to their weight... due to their own choices in life and their lack of self control.
Same goes for smoking... I don't care if they smoke, but they need to quit thinking that tax-money should be spent to help them when they get emphysema or cancer.
Morbidly obese people? Yes. But I really think their impact on the environment is negligible.
Negligible ≠ 0
Negligible ≠ 0
OK. What is the impact, then?
I heard it was pretty bad. As a Philadelphia sports fan, I certainly didn't watch one inning.
I checked: pretty lousy ratings, although the world series ratings have steadily declined in recent years. They have upticks when a major market is involved (i.e. NYC), but otherwise it's clear interest is waning in baseball. Nonetheless, I enjoyed watching SF in the playoffs this year, which is rare because I'm not really a baseball fan, nor do I have much history with the Giants (I'm from DC).
Are we still talking about obesity? Tomorrow I am going to wash-down an entire pecan pie (albeit a small one) with rye whiskey and dogfishhead.
I checked: pretty lousy ratings, although the world series ratings have steadily declined in recent years. They have upticks when a major market is involved (i.e. NYC), but otherwise it's clear interest is waning in baseball. Nonetheless, I enjoyed watching SF in the playoffs this year, which is rare because I'm not really a baseball fan, nor do I have much history with the Giants (I'm from DC).
Are we still talking about obesity? Tomorrow I am going to wash-down an entire pecan pie (albeit a small one) with rye whiskey and dogfishhead.
LOL. Agreed. This is not a good weekend to discuss obesity!
It's also my environment. Morbidly obese persons do use more energy to drive around, to fly and to cook food. Even their clothing takes more energy to make than my 33x32 jeans do.
It is a problem for all of us.
Morbidly obese people? Yes. But I really think their impact on the environment is negligible.
Ah, the Apple elite, driving around in their BMW's. I really think the resources used to make all of the stupid disposable toys and $60,000+ cars is a little more than a little cotton to make some jeans a little bigger. Give me a friggen break... A bunch of opinionated, judemental idgets.
Ah, the Apple elite, driving around in their BMW's. I really think the resources used to make all of the stupid disposable toys and $60,000+ cars is a little more than a little cotton to make some jeans a little bigger. Give me a friggen break... A bunch of opinionated, judemental idgets.
What about those of us who feel the same way about fat people, but drive well-maintained 10+ year old vehicles and live in modest houses?
They can be fat on their own dime... they've got no business taking tax-funded help to pay for problems of their own creation!
It's also my environment. Morbidly obese persons do use more energy to drive around, to fly and to cook food. Even their clothing takes more energy to make than my 33x32 jeans do.
It is a problem for all of us.
Of course obese people use more energy but because they die earlier in the end it balances all out.
Obesity is not a social issue as long as there is not socialized medicine, nor is smoking or drug use. To be fair, the common US practice of subsidizing healthcare via the employer is probably unfair, too.