<strong>I still don't understand the four soccer teams explanation. The United Kingdom is a single country. It only has one seat in the U.N. It should only have one soccer team.
Are their any other examples of a single country having multiple soccer teams like this in World Cup competition?
Texas was, at one point, independent of the United States. Does this mean that Texas is qualified to have it's own soccer team in the World Cup competition? Or the original 13 colonies for that matter?
Not trying to be nit picky here, just curious if there's a logical basis, or a special exception being made for the UK.
Well, if you want a concurrent example, Puerto Rico, despite being a U.S. territory, has its own international soccer/football team. And I think that the separate football teams in the UK has a lot to do with historical desires of the Welsh, Scots, Irish to disassociate from the English (who, as someone pointed out, conquered all of them over the course of the last millenium). Even today, there is a measure of autonomy within the regions of the UK (though, living in the US, this whole concept only comes from a textbook and my professor's lectures), in that Scotland and Wales both have semi-autonomous parliaments. Again, I'm sure Jamie knows better what role the Scottish parliament actually serves, but there is precedent for autonomy within a nation and thus multiple football teams (although I would imagine that the English wouldn't mind assimilating the Welsh football team so they could play Ryan Giggs in the midfield with Scholes and Beckham)
Without wishing to be unduly pedantic about this trivil point - how can Northern Ireland be a country? It's part of the United Kingdom</strong><hr></blockquote>
Because England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales ARE COUNTRIES!!!!
Because England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales ARE COUNTRIES!!!!
The UK is a collection of these countries.
J :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>
To back you up here, it's the distinction between and nation and a state. A nation is a cultural grouping of people, whereas a state is a political entity. Thus, the UK is a state, and Northern Ireland, England, Wales, and Scotland are all nations.
Jamie, after reading your other thread (poll) about the origin of posters, maybe you should do another more specific one, there seems to be an awful lot of Scots (myself included ) posting in this thread!
<strong>Jamie, after reading your other thread (poll) about the origin of posters, maybe you should do another more specific one, there seems to be an awful lot of Scots (myself included ) posting in this thread!
We're slowly taking over the world
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> I know! Where did we all suddenly appear from??
Great Britain and Britain refers to every country except (Southern) Ireland that come under duristiction from the Westminster (London) government...</strong><hr></blockquote>
<strong>Britain still lays claim to Northern Ireland but that may change in time </strong><hr></blockquote>
Here´s hoping.
The demographics are looking good anyway. Aparantly the birth rate among nationalists is a lot higher than among unionists and they´ll outnumber them by 2012.
PS. I would gladly help out in that matter. Nothing beats the lovely northern twang of a Derry girl. Although the Scottish lasses come damn close!
<strong> And I think that the separate football teams in the UK has a lot to do with historical desires of the Welsh, Scots, Irish to disassociate from the English (who, as someone pointed out, conquered all of them over the course of the last millenium). </strong><hr></blockquote>
Britain still lays claim to Northern Ireland but that may change in time </strong><hr></blockquote>
Surely it's not so much down to Britain "laying claim" to N Ireland as the majority of the population being (at times violently) opposed to integration with Ireland. Why I can't imagine, as Eire seems like a perfectly pleasant place to live
And we all know why that is, don't we? (he said with a schoolboy snigger) <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, the Irish are known to be partial to a little "beast with two backs" now and then!
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<strong>I still don't understand the four soccer teams explanation. The United Kingdom is a single country. It only has one seat in the U.N. It should only have one soccer team.
Are their any other examples of a single country having multiple soccer teams like this in World Cup competition?
Texas was, at one point, independent of the United States. Does this mean that Texas is qualified to have it's own soccer team in the World Cup competition? Or the original 13 colonies for that matter?
Not trying to be nit picky here, just curious if there's a logical basis, or a special exception being made for the UK.
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Well, if you want a concurrent example, Puerto Rico, despite being a U.S. territory, has its own international soccer/football team. And I think that the separate football teams in the UK has a lot to do with historical desires of the Welsh, Scots, Irish to disassociate from the English (who, as someone pointed out, conquered all of them over the course of the last millenium). Even today, there is a measure of autonomy within the regions of the UK (though, living in the US, this whole concept only comes from a textbook and my professor's lectures), in that Scotland and Wales both have semi-autonomous parliaments. Again, I'm sure Jamie knows better what role the Scottish parliament actually serves, but there is precedent for autonomy within a nation and thus multiple football teams (although I would imagine that the English wouldn't mind assimilating the Welsh football team so they could play Ryan Giggs in the midfield with Scholes and Beckham)
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No it is a country but it's just not part of GB, because it's not on the main island.
J :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>
Without wishing to be unduly pedantic about this trivil point - how can Northern Ireland be a country? It's part of the United Kingdom
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Without wishing to be unduly pedantic about this trivil point - how can Northern Ireland be a country? It's part of the United Kingdom</strong><hr></blockquote>
Because England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales ARE COUNTRIES!!!!
The UK is a collection of these countries.
J :cool:
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Because England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales ARE COUNTRIES!!!!
The UK is a collection of these countries.
J :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>
To back you up here, it's the distinction between and nation and a state. A nation is a cultural grouping of people, whereas a state is a political entity. Thus, the UK is a state, and Northern Ireland, England, Wales, and Scotland are all nations.
<strong>When in doubt, drop a nuke on the Irish and yuou'lll solve most of the world's problems in two seconds as the shock wave expands.
I love being Scottish.</strong><hr></blockquote>
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1: Blue Meanie Northern Ireland DO have a football team, but they didn't qualify. (half Scottish, half ?).
2: Jamie Yoy forgot the H
3: CDhostage With a remark like that you qualify for ******* of the year!
The Scots and the Irish are Celts and don't forget your history man, what about Wallace?
We have more in common than you think.
Peace. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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2: Jamie Yoy forgot the H
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Always doing that. I am familiar with your cause though and your songs!
J :cool:
As long as the Guinness is cold and the craic is good.
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Of course, we used to be called Fantastic Britain, but the Welsh brought the average down.
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
And it was only Mediocre Britain before Scotland joined
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We're slowly taking over the world
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<strong>Jamie, after reading your other thread (poll) about the origin of posters, maybe you should do another more specific one, there seems to be an awful lot of Scots (myself included
We're slowly taking over the world
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> I know! Where did we all suddenly appear from??
J :cool:
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Great Britain and Britain refers to every country except (Southern) Ireland that come under duristiction from the Westminster (London) government...</strong><hr></blockquote>
And what does "Cool Britainnia" refer to?
<strong>Britain still lays claim to Northern Ireland but that may change in time
Here´s hoping.
The demographics are looking good anyway. Aparantly the birth rate among nationalists is a lot higher than among unionists and they´ll outnumber them by 2012.
PS. I would gladly help out in that matter. Nothing beats the lovely northern twang of a Derry girl. Although the Scottish lasses come damn close!
<strong>3: CDhostage With a remark like that you qualify for ******* of the year!
The Scots and the Irish are Celts and don't forget your history man, what about Wallace?
We have more in common than you think.
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My guess would be that he is more of the Longshanks supporting persuasion in Scotland. Huns, you might want to call them...
<strong> And I think that the separate football teams in the UK has a lot to do with historical desires of the Welsh, Scots, Irish to disassociate from the English (who, as someone pointed out, conquered all of them over the course of the last millenium). </strong><hr></blockquote>
And the <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=307811"; target="_blank">rivalries</a> still <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1202-334679,00.html"; target="_blank">run deep</a>
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<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
1: Blue Meanie Northern Ireland DO have a football team, but they didn't qualify. (half Scottish, half ?).
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That makes more sense. I sit corrected
Half Scottish, half Sassenach
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Always doing that. I am familiar with your cause though and your songs!
J :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>
What cause?
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Aparantly the birth rate among nationalists is a lot higher than among unionists and they´ll outnumber them by 2012.
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And we all know why that is, don't we? (he said with a schoolboy snigger) <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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Britain still lays claim to Northern Ireland but that may change in time
Surely it's not so much down to Britain "laying claim" to N Ireland as the majority of the population being (at times violently) opposed to integration with Ireland. Why I can't imagine, as Eire seems like a perfectly pleasant place to live
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My guess would be that he is more of the Longshanks supporting persuasion in Scotland. Huns, you might want to call them...</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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And we all know why that is, don't we? (he said with a schoolboy snigger) <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>