If only Apple would patent this innovation , other manufacturers and the Andruids at Google would adopt it sooner, too.
Its fun to see Apple trying any and all tactics to take away power from Google and its top mobile platform in the US and soon the world. If you cant beet them sue them isn't that right Jobs.
Many people here seem to think Flash is the ONLY thing that uses battery life on the web. Of course static HTML pages use less power/CPU to run than animated objects and video.
Now try that same test on pages that use HTML 5 Canvas and JavaScript animations (and you'll get exactly the same results!)
Does it mean animation and video are bad because they use battery power? (NO!)
the comparison of "sites with flash turned on" vs "sites with flash turned off" is essentially a study in "what would the internet be without advertising and instead all free and fast just for me to consume without paying" and that's just sticking your head in the sand
Exactly. I can't believe people would be so brain-dead to jump all over this like it's a Flash thing.
I've love to see a proper comparison, but this isn't it.
I bet if I removed the operating system, battery life would be extended indefinitely. Is it really a matter of removing popular features so people can can compute on a trans-Atlantic flight?
The test was nonsense. Animations and video use power. If a website doesn't display them without flash, you'll save energy. Talk about an unfair test. If Apple had any GUTS, it would publish the percentage of users that install Flash on the MacBook Air. This would show how "unnecessary" flash is. The point that should be made to Apple fanboys is that whether flash stinks or not, FREEDOM of CHOICE should be given to iOS users. I don't want anybody telling me what I do or don't need on my phone.
Many people here seem to think Flash is the ONLY thing that uses battery life on the web. Of course static HTML pages use less power/CPU to run than animated objects and video.
Now try that same test on pages that use HTML 5 Canvas and JavaScript animations (and you'll get exactly the same results!)
This is not true. Easy example to convince yourself: HTML5 Youtube vs Regular Youtube in the same browser. Check activity monitor.
This is not true. Easy example to convince yourself: HTML5 Youtube vs Regular Youtube in the same browser. Check activity monitor.
i think you missread the question Matthew as HTML5 Youtube isn't done with Canvas and JavaScript so it isn't a comparison of the same level of functionality at all.
Its fun to see Apple trying any and all tactics to take away power from Google and its top mobile platform in the US and soon the world. If you cant beet them sue them isn't that right Jobs.
Apple is just leading the way and using the legal system as designed to protect its innovations and investments.
Safari AdBlock and ClickToFlash. Works in OS X and Windows. No ads, no Flash. The newest version of ClickToFlash can again check Youtube videos for H.264 versions of the video.
Apart from the lack of reality and logic presented by this article, it pales in comparrison to the usual anti-Flash rants on this site.
But what I really don't get is this:
When advertisers start creating all their adverts in HTML5 and you can no longer avoid them with a clicktoflash tool as they suck your battery life stone cold dead. Will you wake up lamenting the day Flash was overtaken by HTML5 for advertising presentation?
Apart from the lack of reality and logic presented by this article, it pales in comparrison to the usual anti-Flash rants on this site.
But what I really don't get is this:
When advertisers start creating all their adverts in HTML5 and you can no longer avoid them with a clicktoflash tool as they suck your battery life stone cold dead. Will you wake up lamenting the day Flash was overtaken by HTML5 for advertising presentation?
So try thinking before you bag Flash.
Yes that has been commented on several times on the site in previous threads. Apple's iAds are all Javascript html5 css. As they have indicated in various keynotes and presentations, Apple's philosophy is that the ad should not be animated until the user clicks on it. With the iAd logo displayed in the corner, the user is to expect a cinematic experience upon choosing to view the ad. Other advertisers probably don't share Steve's vision.
Back in the OS 9 days I deleted IE and used Netscape Navigator and iCab for the more IE specific pages if I felt like it, after deleting IE crashes reduced dramatically maybe to one or two per week. That was on 40 - 60 hours of computing per week per week, I was building an ecommerce business. One day I was doing something in the file system (probably trying to find the sources of crashes) and I found some Microsoft libraries, I immediately trashed them. From that day forward crashes reduced to a single source which I quickly identified and avoided, coincidentally or not it was accessing the web whilst using Photoshop.
So here's a question, there's no doubt MS has messed up competitors with bad software but now MS does not appear on standard issue Macs. MS had the opportunity back then to make Macs look bad, they had an agreement that Apple would bundle IE as part of the deal where MS paid Apple hundreds of millions of dollars in compensation. So now MS isn't on the Mac could they be using Adobe as a surrogate?
I don't even know why Adobe bought the damn thing. I thought they were planning to put it out of its misery.
Sort of like the housing bubble. They saw the huge adoption of Flash and bought it at the peak. Now it is on the decline. But not unlike the housing bubble it may be a good thing to return to reality. All of the loan shark mortgage specialists and the Flash advertisers have a lot in common. Doesn't mean that mortgages or Flash have anything inherently wrong with them just that they can be easily abused.
The test was nonsense. Animations and video use power. If a website doesn't display them without flash, you'll save energy. Talk about an unfair test. If Apple had any GUTS, it would publish the percentage of users that install Flash on the MacBook Air. This would show how "unnecessary" flash is. The point that should be made to Apple fanboys is that whether flash stinks or not, FREEDOM of CHOICE should be given to iOS users. I don't want anybody telling me what I do or don't need on my phone.
LOL. The facts are nonsense? You've got to be kidding.
You think this has something to do with Apple fanboys or fanboyism? Grow up, dude. I hate Flash, not because Steve Jobs is my all-powerful dark master of magic unicorns and shit, but because FOR YEARS FLASH HAS RUINED MY WEB BROWSING EXPERIENCE ACROSS MULTIPLE PLATFORMS AND HARDWARE. I was hating Flash and wanting to kill it back when I was browsing with Firefox on the PC. I pleaded with Mozilla version after version to fix that, and they were like, "it's the Flash plugin that's spinning up your CPU to 100% and locking up your PC laptop and causing you to have to bring up Windows task manager and kill Firefox, sorry." It wasn't even because the sites I visited used Flash themselves; it was all of the stupid ads. Macromedia earned my scorn through YEARS OF SUCK. OMFG I can't believe you defend this pile of crap. What, do you like Flash ads or something? Did you punch the monkey and save thousands refinancing your home?
No dude, the point that should be made to Apple hateboys IS WHETHER FLASH STINKS OR NOT. And I contend that Flash does whiff malodorous. Now run home to Slashdot where "freedom of choice" is more important than quality of the user experience.
You know, I used clicktoflash and it did good. The only think I didn't like is when a site loaded one of those rollover ads that take up the entire screen and I was stuck with a big outline of what should've been there. Maybe I wasn't using it right.
You're describing Kontera in-text advertising, Vibrant Media, or something like it. Websites that use it load a heap of Javascript code upon you whether or not you're running Flash or even a browser that supports it. That draws the box you're seeing. ClickToFlash may be doing its job, but it can't prevent the Javascript from loading, running, and drawing a big obnoxious box that covers what you're trying to read.
Those ads are highly intrusive - probably the best reason yet for abandoning the mouse/cursor interface in favor of an iOS-like touch based UI. It's incredibly annoying to have to use caution when moving your damn cursor around the screen. Whose computer is it anyway?
If you click on the "?" icon (once the ad has loaded) you can specifically disable it, but only for that page, so it's not useful.
Complain all you want, but websites love Kontera. All you can do is avoid those sites, don't patronize their advertisers, and maybe even tell 'em why.
Advertisements are not going away. Revenue has to come from somewhere, all the more reason I like iAd. If we must tolerate advertisements in exchange for "free" content, let Apple control their delivery. At least they'll do it with elegance.
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If only Apple would patent this innovation
Its fun to see Apple trying any and all tactics to take away power from Google and its top mobile platform in the US and soon the world. If you cant beet them sue them isn't that right Jobs.
Android Rules.
Now try that same test on pages that use HTML 5 Canvas and JavaScript animations (and you'll get exactly the same results!)
Does it mean animation and video are bad because they use battery power? (NO!)
the comparison of "sites with flash turned on" vs "sites with flash turned off" is essentially a study in "what would the internet be without advertising and instead all free and fast just for me to consume without paying" and that's just sticking your head in the sand
Exactly. I can't believe people would be so brain-dead to jump all over this like it's a Flash thing.
I've love to see a proper comparison, but this isn't it.
Using clikctoflash increases my MBP by several hours too from my unscientific usage tests so I am not surprised.
I love clicktoflash. That should be standard on every browser, every OS.
Adobe's comeback to this should be laughable, if they even bother.
I don't even know why Adobe bought the damn thing. I thought they were planning to put it out of its misery.
Many people here seem to think Flash is the ONLY thing that uses battery life on the web. Of course static HTML pages use less power/CPU to run than animated objects and video.
Now try that same test on pages that use HTML 5 Canvas and JavaScript animations (and you'll get exactly the same results!)
This is not true. Easy example to convince yourself: HTML5 Youtube vs Regular Youtube in the same browser. Check activity monitor.
This is not true. Easy example to convince yourself: HTML5 Youtube vs Regular Youtube in the same browser. Check activity monitor.
i think you missread the question Matthew as HTML5 Youtube isn't done with Canvas and JavaScript so it isn't a comparison of the same level of functionality at all.
Its fun to see Apple trying any and all tactics to take away power from Google and its top mobile platform in the US and soon the world. If you cant beet them sue them isn't that right Jobs.
Apple is just leading the way and using the legal system as designed to protect its innovations and investments.
Google's motto is "if we can't innovate, steal".
Android Rules.
That doesn't sound very open!
Safari AdBlock and ClickToFlash. Works in OS X and Windows. No ads, no Flash. The newest version of ClickToFlash can again check Youtube videos for H.264 versions of the video.
Only way to browse if you ask me.
But what I really don't get is this:
When advertisers start creating all their adverts in HTML5 and you can no longer avoid them with a clicktoflash tool as they suck your battery life stone cold dead. Will you wake up lamenting the day Flash was overtaken by HTML5 for advertising presentation?
So try thinking before you bag Flash.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/...on=All+Stories
Apart from the lack of reality and logic presented by this article, it pales in comparrison to the usual anti-Flash rants on this site.
But what I really don't get is this:
When advertisers start creating all their adverts in HTML5 and you can no longer avoid them with a clicktoflash tool as they suck your battery life stone cold dead. Will you wake up lamenting the day Flash was overtaken by HTML5 for advertising presentation?
So try thinking before you bag Flash.
Yes that has been commented on several times on the site in previous threads. Apple's iAds are all Javascript html5 css. As they have indicated in various keynotes and presentations, Apple's philosophy is that the ad should not be animated until the user clicks on it. With the iAd logo displayed in the corner, the user is to expect a cinematic experience upon choosing to view the ad. Other advertisers probably don't share Steve's vision.
Back in the OS 9 days I deleted IE and used Netscape Navigator and iCab for the more IE specific pages if I felt like it, after deleting IE crashes reduced dramatically maybe to one or two per week. That was on 40 - 60 hours of computing per week per week, I was building an ecommerce business. One day I was doing something in the file system (probably trying to find the sources of crashes) and I found some Microsoft libraries, I immediately trashed them. From that day forward crashes reduced to a single source which I quickly identified and avoided, coincidentally or not it was accessing the web whilst using Photoshop.
So here's a question, there's no doubt MS has messed up competitors with bad software but now MS does not appear on standard issue Macs. MS had the opportunity back then to make Macs look bad, they had an agreement that Apple would bundle IE as part of the deal where MS paid Apple hundreds of millions of dollars in compensation. So now MS isn't on the Mac could they be using Adobe as a surrogate?
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It would be cool if it could show just the initial image.
It will if the flash content contains the preview image, most doesn't it seems. Authoring issues.
I don't even know why Adobe bought the damn thing. I thought they were planning to put it out of its misery.
Sort of like the housing bubble. They saw the huge adoption of Flash and bought it at the peak. Now it is on the decline. But not unlike the housing bubble it may be a good thing to return to reality. All of the loan shark mortgage specialists and the Flash advertisers have a lot in common. Doesn't mean that mortgages or Flash have anything inherently wrong with them just that they can be easily abused.
The test was nonsense. Animations and video use power. If a website doesn't display them without flash, you'll save energy. Talk about an unfair test. If Apple had any GUTS, it would publish the percentage of users that install Flash on the MacBook Air. This would show how "unnecessary" flash is. The point that should be made to Apple fanboys is that whether flash stinks or not, FREEDOM of CHOICE should be given to iOS users. I don't want anybody telling me what I do or don't need on my phone.
LOL. The facts are nonsense? You've got to be kidding.
You think this has something to do with Apple fanboys or fanboyism? Grow up, dude. I hate Flash, not because Steve Jobs is my all-powerful dark master of magic unicorns and shit, but because FOR YEARS FLASH HAS RUINED MY WEB BROWSING EXPERIENCE ACROSS MULTIPLE PLATFORMS AND HARDWARE. I was hating Flash and wanting to kill it back when I was browsing with Firefox on the PC. I pleaded with Mozilla version after version to fix that, and they were like, "it's the Flash plugin that's spinning up your CPU to 100% and locking up your PC laptop and causing you to have to bring up Windows task manager and kill Firefox, sorry." It wasn't even because the sites I visited used Flash themselves; it was all of the stupid ads. Macromedia earned my scorn through YEARS OF SUCK. OMFG I can't believe you defend this pile of crap. What, do you like Flash ads or something? Did you punch the monkey and save thousands refinancing your home?
No dude, the point that should be made to Apple hateboys IS WHETHER FLASH STINKS OR NOT. And I contend that Flash does whiff malodorous. Now run home to Slashdot where "freedom of choice" is more important than quality of the user experience.
You know, I used clicktoflash and it did good. The only think I didn't like is when a site loaded one of those rollover ads that take up the entire screen and I was stuck with a big outline of what should've been there. Maybe I wasn't using it right.
You're describing Kontera in-text advertising, Vibrant Media, or something like it. Websites that use it load a heap of Javascript code upon you whether or not you're running Flash or even a browser that supports it. That draws the box you're seeing. ClickToFlash may be doing its job, but it can't prevent the Javascript from loading, running, and drawing a big obnoxious box that covers what you're trying to read.
Those ads are highly intrusive - probably the best reason yet for abandoning the mouse/cursor interface in favor of an iOS-like touch based UI. It's incredibly annoying to have to use caution when moving your damn cursor around the screen. Whose computer is it anyway?
If you click on the "?" icon (once the ad has loaded) you can specifically disable it, but only for that page, so it's not useful.
Complain all you want, but websites love Kontera. All you can do is avoid those sites, don't patronize their advertisers, and maybe even tell 'em why.
Advertisements are not going away. Revenue has to come from somewhere, all the more reason I like iAd. If we must tolerate advertisements in exchange for "free" content, let Apple control their delivery. At least they'll do it with elegance.