PPC 7400 - The original G4 made on 0.20 process. Off-chip cache
PPC 7410 - Low power version of 7400 made on 0.18 micron process. Off-chip cache.
PPC 7450/1 - Successor to 7400 made on 0.18 micron process. Pipeline increased to 7-stage from 4-stage. Increased number of functional units to compensate for increased pipeline length. 7451 has minor "bug" fixes but is essentially identical. Both chips have on-chip cache and support for L3 cache.
PPC 7441 - Low power version of 7450 made on 0.18 micron process. On-chip cache, no support for L3 cache.
PPC 7455 - 7451 made on 0.18 micron process WITH SOI. On-chip cache and support for L3 cache.
PPC 7445 - Low power versio nof 7455 made on 0.18 micron process WITH SOI. On-chip cache, no support for L3 cache.
PPC 7460 (Apollo, unreleased) - PPC 7455 made on 0.13 micron process with SOI. On-chip cache, support for L3 cache(?).
PPC 7400 - The original G4 made on 0.20 process. Off-chip cache
PPC 7410 - Low power version of 7400 made on 0.18 micron process. Off-chip cache.
PPC 7450/1 - Successor to 7400 made on 0.18 micron process. Pipeline increased to 7-stage from 4-stage. Increased number of functional units to compensate for increased pipeline length. 7451 has minor "bug" fixes but is essentially identical. Both chips have on-chip cache and support for L3 cache.
PPC 7441 - Low power version of 7450 made on 0.18 micron process. On-chip cache, no support for L3 cache.
PPC 7455 - 7451 made on 0.18 micron process WITH SOI. On-chip cache and support for L3 cache.
PPC 7445 - Low power versio nof 7455 made on 0.18 micron process WITH SOI. On-chip cache, no support for L3 cache.
PPC 7460 (Apollo, unreleased) - PPC 7455 made on 0.13 micron process with SOI. On-chip cache, support for L3 cache(?).</strong><hr></blockquote>
There's some confusion regarding Apollo here. Yes, the word was that Apollo would be labeled MPC 7460. But more importantly Mot has definitely gone on record saying that "Apollo" would be 18 micron SOI not 13. In which case we already have the Apollo, aka MPC 7455...
There's some confusion regarding Apollo here. Yes, the word was that Apollo would be labeled MPC 7460. But more importantly Mot has definitely gone on record saying that "Apollo" would be 18 micron SOI not 13. In which case we already have the Apollo, aka MPC 7455...</strong><hr></blockquote>
... the G5 won't be in any Apple computer until next year, and his friends in PPC development laugh their butts off when they read rumors about the G5 coming anytime this year
1)the so-called "Apollo" G4 will come out in March or April in Apple computers - no details on PowerMac or PB or what speeds they will be.
2)the Apollo will be ramped up throughout the year in Apple computers - again, no details
3)the G5 won't be in any Apple computer until next year, and his friends in PPC development laugh their butts off when they read rumors about the G5 coming anytime this year
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Well, since it's been confirmed that the MPC 7455 in the latest Macs is indeed no other than the Apollo, it wouldn't be a stretch to label your "semi-inside-info" as inaccurate.
<strong>According the the article in Maccentral today. PPC 7455 is indeed Apollo but with 0.18 process rather than 0.13</strong><hr></blockquote>
Interesting discussion. Maybe they were referring to the 0.13 process chip when they said Apollo? Dunno.
I any case, I hope it's all wrong, and that the G5 will be here tomorrow. I just don't think so.
I'll try to get back w/ my cousin and see what he says re:Apollo naming scheme. We don't talk all that often, so he might be curious as to why I called him two days in a row asking about PPC chips
philbot you are starting to piss me off. at first I halfway believed you, but now it seems pretty clear you're incorrect
exactly how do you know about the G5 test boxes? did you have one? a friend? friend of a friend? rumor from a cousin of a friend of some guy you talked to in a gay-sex IRC chat room when you were drunk one night?
where did you get this information and how do you know that it's reliable? and even if they did have test boxes that were called back, how do you know that it's because they were ready, and not because they had serious flaws and needed reworking?
That's the funniest thing I have read all day. Thanks. Well, it is only 10:49 AM, but ahahahhaa.
Isn't the border around Lake Constance rather flat? I remember taking a ride from shore to shore and suddenly finding myself in Germany instead of Switzerland.
That's the funniest thing I have read all day. Thanks. Well, it is only 10:49 AM, but ahahahhaa.
Isn't the border around Lake Constance rather flat? I remember taking a ride from shore to shore and suddenly finding myself in Germany instead of Switzerland.
moto has already gone on record that the current crop of G4's are the much discussed Apollos.
William Swearingen, Director of Strategic Communications at Motorola, told MacCentral that the G4s driving Apple's new G4 mini-tower systems are indeed the long anticipated Apollo processors. Labeled MPC 7455 and MPC 7445, the Apollo G4s achieve all of the goals that Motorola outlined at the 2000 Microprocessor Forum -- namely GHz+ performance, fabrication using SOI (Silicon On Insulator) technology, the ability to have a 2MB DDR (Double Data Rate) L3 cache, and a superior power consumption/performance ratio.
Tha article then concludes that the only thing left on the moto PPC roadmap is to go to .15 micron manufacturing process. No mention of ever going to .13. You can read the whole <a href="http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0201/29.motorola.php"; target="_blank">article</a> on Maccentral.
<strong>moto has already gone on record that the current crop of G4's are the much discussed Apollos.
Tha article then concludes that the only thing left on the moto PPC roadmap is to go to .15 micron manufacturing process. No mention of ever going to .13. You can read the whole <a href="http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0201/29.motorola.php"; target="_blank">article</a> on Maccentral.
[ 01-29-2002: Message edited by: hir ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think the whole .13 vs. .15 thing has been hashed to death and is a result of Moto using an older or non-conventional numbering scheme to describe their manufacturing process. Someone who understands all this can clear it up for us (again).
UPDATE: I talked to my cousin again today, and he is a little suspicious of me :cool: and is reluctant to give anything else away... I just asked about the whole Apollo naming scheme and his response was that the Apollo was intended to be manufactured on the smaller process, but since the chip divisions of Moto have had such massive layoffs and so forth, they went ahead with the SOI on the current process. The die shrink that was supposed to debut as Apollo will be what appears around April.
As far as the G5, he got a little nervous (didn't want anyone to get in trouble, since I'm sure he's figured out this isn't all for my private knowledge), and would only say that his friends say it won't be ready until the end of the year or early next year. I just hope the G5 engineers have been told to blow smoke up everyone's a$$, and they're lying to him. However, I do believe that this is what he's been told.
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Well, ok, so maybe the iBooks will migrate to a 7451 first... I dunno.
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Test units have been out for the last 5 months and have recently been signed off and sent back ready for production.
The only reason MOTO think their G5 won't be ready is because they won't be making it!
Apple will get IBM to produce the G5 rather than wait for the clowns at Moto to get their act together.
MWTY: PowerBook speedbump, iBook goes G4?
MWNY: Apollo, DDR, new mobo, possibly new case, iMac speedbump to 933 or 1GHz.
AppleExpo Paris: iPod 2
MWSF 03: G5...
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PPC 7400 - The original G4 made on 0.20 process. Off-chip cache
PPC 7410 - Low power version of 7400 made on 0.18 micron process. Off-chip cache.
PPC 7450/1 - Successor to 7400 made on 0.18 micron process. Pipeline increased to 7-stage from 4-stage. Increased number of functional units to compensate for increased pipeline length. 7451 has minor "bug" fixes but is essentially identical. Both chips have on-chip cache and support for L3 cache.
PPC 7441 - Low power version of 7450 made on 0.18 micron process. On-chip cache, no support for L3 cache.
PPC 7455 - 7451 made on 0.18 micron process WITH SOI. On-chip cache and support for L3 cache.
PPC 7445 - Low power versio nof 7455 made on 0.18 micron process WITH SOI. On-chip cache, no support for L3 cache.
PPC 7460 (Apollo, unreleased) - PPC 7455 made on 0.13 micron process with SOI. On-chip cache, support for L3 cache(?).
<strong>Just to clear things up:
PPC 7400 - The original G4 made on 0.20 process. Off-chip cache
PPC 7410 - Low power version of 7400 made on 0.18 micron process. Off-chip cache.
PPC 7450/1 - Successor to 7400 made on 0.18 micron process. Pipeline increased to 7-stage from 4-stage. Increased number of functional units to compensate for increased pipeline length. 7451 has minor "bug" fixes but is essentially identical. Both chips have on-chip cache and support for L3 cache.
PPC 7441 - Low power version of 7450 made on 0.18 micron process. On-chip cache, no support for L3 cache.
PPC 7455 - 7451 made on 0.18 micron process WITH SOI. On-chip cache and support for L3 cache.
PPC 7445 - Low power versio nof 7455 made on 0.18 micron process WITH SOI. On-chip cache, no support for L3 cache.
PPC 7460 (Apollo, unreleased) - PPC 7455 made on 0.13 micron process with SOI. On-chip cache, support for L3 cache(?).</strong><hr></blockquote>
There's some confusion regarding Apollo here. Yes, the word was that Apollo would be labeled MPC 7460. But more importantly Mot has definitely gone on record saying that "Apollo" would be 18 micron SOI not 13. In which case we already have the Apollo, aka MPC 7455...
<strong>
There's some confusion regarding Apollo here. Yes, the word was that Apollo would be labeled MPC 7460. But more importantly Mot has definitely gone on record saying that "Apollo" would be 18 micron SOI not 13. In which case we already have the Apollo, aka MPC 7455...</strong><hr></blockquote>
933 MHz, 1GHz = Apollo Chips. CONFIRMED!!! Haha!
Yes, it`s true...
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... the G5 won't be in any Apple computer until next year, and his friends in PPC development laugh their butts off when they read rumors about the G5 coming anytime this year
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Crying their eyes out would be more like it
<strong>dude, it's ' not `, when will you Germans eventually learn that apostrophy is not = grave
G-News</strong><hr></blockquote>
You better hide behind the Alps !!
<strong>Directly from him:
1)the so-called "Apollo" G4 will come out in March or April in Apple computers - no details on PowerMac or PB or what speeds they will be.
2)the Apollo will be ramped up throughout the year in Apple computers - again, no details
3)the G5 won't be in any Apple computer until next year, and his friends in PPC development laugh their butts off when they read rumors about the G5 coming anytime this year
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, since it's been confirmed that the MPC 7455 in the latest Macs is indeed no other than the Apollo, it wouldn't be a stretch to label your "semi-inside-info" as inaccurate.
<strong>According the the article in Maccentral today. PPC 7455 is indeed Apollo but with 0.18 process rather than 0.13</strong><hr></blockquote>
Interesting discussion. Maybe they were referring to the 0.13 process chip when they said Apollo? Dunno.
I any case, I hope it's all wrong, and that the G5 will be here tomorrow. I just don't think so.
I'll try to get back w/ my cousin and see what he says re:Apollo naming scheme. We don't talk all that often, so he might be curious as to why I called him two days in a row asking about PPC chips
exactly how do you know about the G5 test boxes? did you have one? a friend? friend of a friend? rumor from a cousin of a friend of some guy you talked to in a gay-sex IRC chat room when you were drunk one night?
where did you get this information and how do you know that it's reliable? and even if they did have test boxes that were called back, how do you know that it's because they were ready, and not because they had serious flaws and needed reworking?
<strong>
You better hide behind the Alps !!
That's the funniest thing I have read all day. Thanks.
Isn't the border around Lake Constance rather flat? I remember taking a ride from shore to shore and suddenly finding myself in Germany instead of Switzerland.
[ 01-29-2002: Message edited by: Eugene ]</p>
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That's the funniest thing I have read all day. Thanks.
Isn't the border around Lake Constance rather flat? I remember taking a ride from shore to shore and suddenly finding myself in Germany instead of Switzerland.
[ 01-29-2002: Message edited by: Eugene ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Don't ask me; in front of my door, it's rather Denmark than Switzerland, hehe
<strong>According the the article in Maccentral today. PPC 7455 is indeed Apollo but with 0.18 process rather than 0.13</strong><hr></blockquote>
Doesn't mean we won't see a 7460 using the 0.13 process some day though...
William Swearingen, Director of Strategic Communications at Motorola, told MacCentral that the G4s driving Apple's new G4 mini-tower systems are indeed the long anticipated Apollo processors. Labeled MPC 7455 and MPC 7445, the Apollo G4s achieve all of the goals that Motorola outlined at the 2000 Microprocessor Forum -- namely GHz+ performance, fabrication using SOI (Silicon On Insulator) technology, the ability to have a 2MB DDR (Double Data Rate) L3 cache, and a superior power consumption/performance ratio.
Tha article then concludes that the only thing left on the moto PPC roadmap is to go to .15 micron manufacturing process. No mention of ever going to .13. You can read the whole <a href="http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0201/29.motorola.php"; target="_blank">article</a> on Maccentral.
[ 01-29-2002: Message edited by: hir ]</p>
<strong>moto has already gone on record that the current crop of G4's are the much discussed Apollos.
Tha article then concludes that the only thing left on the moto PPC roadmap is to go to .15 micron manufacturing process. No mention of ever going to .13. You can read the whole <a href="http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0201/29.motorola.php"; target="_blank">article</a> on Maccentral.
[ 01-29-2002: Message edited by: hir ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think the whole .13 vs. .15 thing has been hashed to death and is a result of Moto using an older or non-conventional numbering scheme to describe their manufacturing process. Someone who understands all this can clear it up for us (again).
UPDATE: I talked to my cousin again today, and he is a little suspicious of me :cool: and is reluctant to give anything else away... I just asked about the whole Apollo naming scheme and his response was that the Apollo was intended to be manufactured on the smaller process, but since the chip divisions of Moto have had such massive layoffs and so forth, they went ahead with the SOI on the current process. The die shrink that was supposed to debut as Apollo will be what appears around April.
As far as the G5, he got a little nervous (didn't want anyone to get in trouble, since I'm sure he's figured out this isn't all for my private knowledge), and would only say that his friends say it won't be ready until the end of the year or early next year. I just hope the G5 engineers have been told to blow smoke up everyone's a$$, and they're lying to him. However, I do believe that this is what he's been told.