What I can't understand is why they would mess with the networking code. It has worked rather well in iOS. It is hard to believe their drivers are this freakishly unstable.
Power management. Wifi is one of the larger power draws after the backlight.
The green button should not = full screen, but full height only. This would be most practical for single and multiple windows. Your idea yeilds way too much unused horizontal screen real estate, and makes copying from one window to another, or folders on the desktop into a Windows like UI nightmare. Apple figured that out long ago, and is probably a serious contributing factor into why you aren't doing much OS/UI work.
Also Airplay would make more sense built into the Mac's system audio I/O settings, but that would probably be too confusing for the overwhelming majority of consumers who stream for a limited time (watching a movie), then move the device elsewhere. Having that setting as close as possible to the playback/selection controls (aka iTunes), is the ideal way to do it. Sorry bub.
The green button should not = full screen, but full height only. This would be most practical for single and multiple windows. Your idea yeilds way too much unused horizontal screen real estate, and makes copying from one window to another, or folders on the desktop into a Windows like UI nightmare. Apple figured that out long ago, and is probably a serious contributing factor into why you aren't doing much OS/UI work.
Well that particular request has already come true, thanks for playing. Actually think before you post next time.
They didn't remove AirPrint, but had to disable it using shared printers because of legal issues. Hopefully they are resolved soon and can issue an update to OSX that will reenable it. It does work with HP ePrint printers however.
Well that particular request has already come true, thanks for playing. Actually think before you post next time.
Easy there cupcake - You're not any kind of player, there was no contest, I wasn't requesting a feature, I was explaining.
You should try both reading, then thinking, because those reflexes aren't very impressive.
You'll notice I said that's how the green button 'should' work? (probably not, probably all flustered with crafting your little retort, you forgot to read correctly)
That's how it's supposed to work, but not all apps follow this behavior... even some written by Apple. It also has the annoying habit of sometimes toggling only between the default and custom sizes of a window.
But hey, it's your bolded footer, you can write whatever you like. However I might suggest instead of the convoluted ramblings, you might advertise your ideas better with this.
So recent iOS hardware and software faux pas now read:
Antennagate
Glass Shattering and/or fragility
Withdrawl of Slide on Cases
Proximity Sensor Bug (which personally has forced me to return 2 iPhone4s)
Poor performance of iOS 4 on iPhone 3G
Wifi Connectivity Issues
And now
The disappearance of Airprint
This is not the Apple we love...
I forgot to add:
Daylight Savings Time Bug
Lack of White iPhone
That's 9 significant annoyances. Apple MUST issue fixes and updates fast if they are to retain their reputation as User Experience leaders. I'm not saying the iPhone isn't still my favorite phone, but added to the problems/feature lacks with MobileMe, iTunes and file management roundtripping and the cloud, I guess I was hoping for a lot more from the whole 10.6.5 + iTunes 10.1 + 4.2 unification release. But.....
I guess I'll have to wait for a white iPhone 5 that Airprints and doesn't drop a signal if I hold it wrong and can update a Pages document in the cloud.
So recent iOS hardware and software faux pas now read:
Antennagate
Glass Shattering and/or fragility
Withdrawl of Slide on Cases
Proximity Sensor Bug (which personally has forced me to return 2 iPhone4s)
Poor performance of iOS 4 on iPhone 3G
Wifi Connectivity Issues
And now
The disappearance of Airprint
This is not the Apple we love...
The funny thing here is that people claim Apple is ignoring the Mac but my Mac literally runs better than when I first got it. IPhone has gone in the opposite direction.
I'm especially bothered by WiFi issues as they have had years now to resolve the issues seen with iOS devices. Think about it how useful would these devices be without connectivity. People actually wonder why I want to see a massive increase in Flash storage in these devices.
As to the poor performance of iOS on the 3G, all the 3G does is demonstrates jut how bad iOS 4.x is in general. The faster machines just mask the fact that iOS 4.x is a steaming pile of dung. The bugs and regressions are still there but your CPU just powers through most of the time. Sadly 3GS and iPhone 4 users still report the same problems I've seen on my 3G.
Even though 4.1 is better it still does nasty things a Unix based machine shouldn't do. For example:
1. A complete hang yesterday in the settings app.
2. Apparent hangs or back ground operation of apps that literally drain the battery in a small fraction of the time it usually lasts. And people wonder why we want a process monitor and associated tools.
3. Numerous Safari and Mail app crashes. I'm not sure if it is a case of running out of memory or other nastiness. I lean to other because there isn't a lot going on with Mail to cause memory faults. Unless of course apps aren't quiting properly or iOS itself is still leaking memory. Note these are Apple coded apps, many of my third party apps are pretty good.
I still like my iPhone but Apple has lost a lot of credibility here. The whole point of buying into the product line is the idea of it just works. Instead of 100% we get just works about 95% of the time.
Power management. Wifi is one of the larger power draws after the backlight.
Considering WiFi is a key component of these devices last minute glitches like this one simply aren't acceptable. Frankly it should be heavily tested well before golden master time.
Why all the fuss about Air Printing? Who prints anything these days anyway? iPad is the best device ever to finally go all paperless and save some trees. My all-in-one printer/scanner/fax these days only gets used for scanning documents from 20th century relics, placing them in my online hard disk, so I can access any document from my iPad anywhere in the world. So, really missing from iOS 4.2 is full WebDav access from all native apps and iWork, not any paper wasting functionality that would require you to leave on your PC or Mac while working on your iPad.
So recent iOS hardware and software faux pas now read:
Antennagate
Glass Shattering and/or fragility
Withdrawl of Slide on Cases
Proximity Sensor Bug (which personally has forced me to return 2 iPhone4s)
Poor performance of iOS 4 on iPhone 3G
Wifi Connectivity Issues
And now
The disappearance of Airprint
This is not the Apple we love...
I, along with 99.9% of other Apple customers, have not experienced any of these issues. It is also perplexing that you are complaining about the alleged "pulling" of a feature of a product that has not even been released. If you dislike Apple so much, perhaps now is the time to move to the Microsoft forums.
I, along with 99.9% of other Apple customers, have not experienced any of these issues. It is also perplexing that you are complaining about the alleged "pulling" of a feature of a product that has not even been released. If you dislike Apple so much, perhaps now is the time to move to the Microsoft forums.
Good points and welcome to the forum.
The only thing being pulled from the iPad that bothers me is the removal of the HW orientation lock. Oddly, it?s the one thing joindup doesn?t mention. This was a feature put in place for the release of the iPad and is still there. That?s 8 months it?ll be used by some people just to be changed when this update is released with no Setting to switch the physical toggle switch from being an orientation lock to a mute switch, which really isn?t needed as holding volume down for a second will instantly mute the device.
The funny thing here is that people claim Apple is ignoring the Mac but my Mac literally runs better than when I first got it. IPhone has gone in the opposite direction.
I'm especially bothered by WiFi issues as they have had years now to resolve the issues seen with iOS devices. Think about it how useful would these devices be without connectivity. People actually wonder why I want to see a massive increase in Flash storage in these devices.
As to the poor performance of iOS on the 3G, all the 3G does is demonstrates jut how bad iOS 4.x is in general. The faster machines just mask the fact that iOS 4.x is a steaming pile of dung. The bugs and regressions are still there but your CPU just powers through most of the time. Sadly 3GS and iPhone 4 users still report the same problems I've seen on my 3G.
Even though 4.1 is better it still does nasty things a Unix based machine shouldn't do. For example:
1. A complete hang yesterday in the settings app.
2. Apparent hangs or back ground operation of apps that literally drain the battery in a small fraction of the time it usually lasts. And people wonder why we want a process monitor and associated tools.
3. Numerous Safari and Mail app crashes. I'm not sure if it is a case of running out of memory or other nastiness. I lean to other because there isn't a lot going on with Mail to cause memory faults. Unless of course apps aren't quiting properly or iOS itself is still leaking memory. Note these are Apple coded apps, many of my third party apps are pretty good.
I still like my iPhone but Apple has lost a lot of credibility here. The whole point of buying into the product line is the idea of it just works. Instead of 100% we get just works about 95% of the time.
This is all inside the package of introducing multitasking, my gut feeling is that iOS is still not ready. The one app at time model worked pretty well and apple somehow started feeling the pressure from the bakery (Google) which produces half baked stuff anyway.
Multitasking is very very complex and it has to undergo a lot of regression to know the issues of the real world and then go back and fix it. But, I am sure they are also equally annoyed as they also own the same device
This is all inside the package of introducing multitasking, my gut feeling is that iOS is still not ready. The one app at time model worked pretty well and apple somehow started feeling the pressure from the bakery (Google) which produces half baked stuff anyway.
Multitasking is very very complex and it has to undergo a lot of regression to know the issues of the real world and then go back and fix it. But, I am sure they are also equally annoyed as they also own the same device
iOS has ALWAYS multitasked. From day one. Third party apps have not been allowed to run in the background, that's all.
I, along with 99.9% of other Apple customers, have not experienced any of these issues. It is also perplexing that you are complaining about the alleged "pulling" of a feature of a product that has not even been released. If you dislike Apple so much, perhaps now is the time to move to the Microsoft forums.
He has obviously invested in Apple products and if he has had problems that you have not experience why should he not be allowed to make his case. Just because you have not experienced these problems does not invalidate his. Apple is bog enough to take a little criticism.
The funny thing here is that people claim Apple is ignoring the Mac but my Mac literally runs better than when I first got it. IPhone has gone in the opposite direction.
I'm especially bothered by WiFi issues as they have had years now to resolve the issues seen with iOS devices. Think about it how useful would these devices be without connectivity. People actually wonder why I want to see a massive increase in Flash storage in these devices.
As to the poor performance of iOS on the 3G, all the 3G does is demonstrates jut how bad iOS 4.x is in general. The faster machines just mask the fact that iOS 4.x is a steaming pile of dung. The bugs and regressions are still there but your CPU just powers through most of the time. Sadly 3GS and iPhone 4 users still report the same problems I've seen on my 3G.
Even though 4.1 is better it still does nasty things a Unix based machine shouldn't do. For example:
1. A complete hang yesterday in the settings app.
2. Apparent hangs or back ground operation of apps that literally drain the battery in a small fraction of the time it usually lasts. And people wonder why we want a process monitor and associated tools.
3. Numerous Safari and Mail app crashes. I'm not sure if it is a case of running out of memory or other nastiness. I lean to other because there isn't a lot going on with Mail to cause memory faults. Unless of course apps aren't quiting properly or iOS itself is still leaking memory. Note these are Apple coded apps, many of my third party apps are pretty good.
I still like my iPhone but Apple has lost a lot of credibility here. The whole point of buying into the product line is the idea of it just works. Instead of 100% we get just works about 95% of the time.
It doesn?t ?just work? because you?re running a modern OS on antiquated hardware. Why is this so hard to comprehend?
He has obviously invested in Apple products and if he has had problems that you have not experience why should he not be allowed to make his case. Just because you have not experienced these problems does not invalidate his. Apple is bog enough to take a little criticism.
Exactly, thanks.
Our household is entirely iOS: Macs, AppleTV, the lot. I'm just saying I think that current output is not up to the usual perfectionist standards. When Microsoft and Android are both upping their smartphone games, now is not the time to get sloppy. iPhone 4 return rates are an excellently low 1.7%, but let me tell you, when you can't make a phone call because every time you put it to your ear your ear touches the live buttons because the proximity sensor is faulty is MADDENING. It's precisely because that feeling was exactly the one that made be choose Mac years back after pulling my hair out with Windows that it upsets me so much. It's the little details. Apple products shouldn't make me feel like that.
The cloud and device interconnectivity really are next years big battlegrounds. I'd like Apple to apply the same attention to detail to their software solutions in these areas as they do to their hardware as witnessed by the beautiful new MacBook Airs - that's all.
As for iOS, bugs, I guess I'm just unlucky to be in the 1.7%....
It doesn?t ?just work? because you?re running a modern OS on antiquated hardware. Why is this so hard to comprehend?
As the subject says the bugs in iOS have nothing to do with the 3G hardware. They may crop up quicker due to the lack of RAM but that only highlights that iOS is very buggy. Besides that I've repeatedly have heard the same complaints from people using newer hardware.
Issues like suddenly running the battery down and requiring a reboot are not unique to the 3G. In fact the only time my iPhone actually gets hot is when iOS is screwed up in some manner. Besides that why should a simple app like settings hang on any version of the hardware? Beyound that what is the issue with Mail having to be restarted, often more than once.
You can stick your hand in the sand if you want but everything I've seen indicates that iOS is the problem and not the hardware. That doesn't mean there aren't 3G specific issues but the vast majority of iOS complaints come from a wide cross section of device owners. If a 3GS or iPhone 4 owner reports the same issues as 3G owners that kinda rules out the 3G hardware doesn't it?
Maybe we need a show of hands! How many out there found themselves with issues after an upgrade to iOS 4.0 on a 3GS? That is finding the need to reboot, issues with iOS supplied apps or general stability issues? I know 4.1 improved this some but every indication I have is that 4.x has issues.
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What I can't understand is why they would mess with the networking code. It has worked rather well in iOS. It is hard to believe their drivers are this freakishly unstable.
Power management. Wifi is one of the larger power draws after the backlight.
Whoosh?..
Ugh. Your feature requests suck.
The green button should not = full screen, but full height only. This would be most practical for single and multiple windows. Your idea yeilds way too much unused horizontal screen real estate, and makes copying from one window to another, or folders on the desktop into a Windows like UI nightmare. Apple figured that out long ago, and is probably a serious contributing factor into why you aren't doing much OS/UI work.
Also Airplay would make more sense built into the Mac's system audio I/O settings, but that would probably be too confusing for the overwhelming majority of consumers who stream for a limited time (watching a movie), then move the device elsewhere. Having that setting as close as possible to the playback/selection controls (aka iTunes), is the ideal way to do it. Sorry bub.
Ugh. Your feature requests suck.
The green button should not = full screen, but full height only. This would be most practical for single and multiple windows. Your idea yeilds way too much unused horizontal screen real estate, and makes copying from one window to another, or folders on the desktop into a Windows like UI nightmare. Apple figured that out long ago, and is probably a serious contributing factor into why you aren't doing much OS/UI work.
Well that particular request has already come true, thanks for playing. Actually think before you post next time.
The disappearance of Airprint
This is not the Apple we love...
They didn't remove AirPrint, but had to disable it using shared printers because of legal issues. Hopefully they are resolved soon and can issue an update to OSX that will reenable it. It does work with HP ePrint printers however.
Well that particular request has already come true, thanks for playing. Actually think before you post next time.
Easy there cupcake - You're not any kind of player, there was no contest, I wasn't requesting a feature, I was explaining.
You should try both reading, then thinking, because those reflexes aren't very impressive.
You'll notice I said that's how the green button 'should' work? (probably not, probably all flustered with crafting your little retort, you forgot to read correctly)
That's how it's supposed to work, but not all apps follow this behavior... even some written by Apple. It also has the annoying habit of sometimes toggling only between the default and custom sizes of a window.
But hey, it's your bolded footer, you can write whatever you like. However I might suggest instead of the convoluted ramblings, you might advertise your ideas better with this.
So recent iOS hardware and software faux pas now read:
Antennagate
Glass Shattering and/or fragility
Withdrawl of Slide on Cases
Proximity Sensor Bug (which personally has forced me to return 2 iPhone4s)
Poor performance of iOS 4 on iPhone 3G
Wifi Connectivity Issues
And now
The disappearance of Airprint
This is not the Apple we love...
I forgot to add:
Daylight Savings Time Bug
Lack of White iPhone
That's 9 significant annoyances. Apple MUST issue fixes and updates fast if they are to retain their reputation as User Experience leaders. I'm not saying the iPhone isn't still my favorite phone, but added to the problems/feature lacks with MobileMe, iTunes and file management roundtripping and the cloud, I guess I was hoping for a lot more from the whole 10.6.5 + iTunes 10.1 + 4.2 unification release. But.....
I guess I'll have to wait for a white iPhone 5 that Airprints and doesn't drop a signal if I hold it wrong and can update a Pages document in the cloud.
Talk about inviting Android to rush in....
c'ept I typo'd I should have written karat not karats! I was rushing before some one else wrote it lol
Carrots would've been better.
So recent iOS hardware and software faux pas now read:
Antennagate
Glass Shattering and/or fragility
Withdrawl of Slide on Cases
Proximity Sensor Bug (which personally has forced me to return 2 iPhone4s)
Poor performance of iOS 4 on iPhone 3G
Wifi Connectivity Issues
And now
The disappearance of Airprint
This is not the Apple we love...
The funny thing here is that people claim Apple is ignoring the Mac but my Mac literally runs better than when I first got it. IPhone has gone in the opposite direction.
I'm especially bothered by WiFi issues as they have had years now to resolve the issues seen with iOS devices. Think about it how useful would these devices be without connectivity. People actually wonder why I want to see a massive increase in Flash storage in these devices.
As to the poor performance of iOS on the 3G, all the 3G does is demonstrates jut how bad iOS 4.x is in general. The faster machines just mask the fact that iOS 4.x is a steaming pile of dung. The bugs and regressions are still there but your CPU just powers through most of the time. Sadly 3GS and iPhone 4 users still report the same problems I've seen on my 3G.
Even though 4.1 is better it still does nasty things a Unix based machine shouldn't do. For example:
1. A complete hang yesterday in the settings app.
2. Apparent hangs or back ground operation of apps that literally drain the battery in a small fraction of the time it usually lasts. And people wonder why we want a process monitor and associated tools.
3. Numerous Safari and Mail app crashes. I'm not sure if it is a case of running out of memory or other nastiness. I lean to other because there isn't a lot going on with Mail to cause memory faults. Unless of course apps aren't quiting properly or iOS itself is still leaking memory. Note these are Apple coded apps, many of my third party apps are pretty good.
I still like my iPhone but Apple has lost a lot of credibility here. The whole point of buying into the product line is the idea of it just works. Instead of 100% we get just works about 95% of the time.
Power management. Wifi is one of the larger power draws after the backlight.
Considering WiFi is a key component of these devices last minute glitches like this one simply aren't acceptable. Frankly it should be heavily tested well before golden master time.
So recent iOS hardware and software faux pas now read:
Antennagate
Glass Shattering and/or fragility
Withdrawl of Slide on Cases
Proximity Sensor Bug (which personally has forced me to return 2 iPhone4s)
Poor performance of iOS 4 on iPhone 3G
Wifi Connectivity Issues
And now
The disappearance of Airprint
This is not the Apple we love...
I, along with 99.9% of other Apple customers, have not experienced any of these issues. It is also perplexing that you are complaining about the alleged "pulling" of a feature of a product that has not even been released. If you dislike Apple so much, perhaps now is the time to move to the Microsoft forums.
I, along with 99.9% of other Apple customers, have not experienced any of these issues. It is also perplexing that you are complaining about the alleged "pulling" of a feature of a product that has not even been released. If you dislike Apple so much, perhaps now is the time to move to the Microsoft forums.
Good points and welcome to the forum.
The only thing being pulled from the iPad that bothers me is the removal of the HW orientation lock. Oddly, it?s the one thing joindup doesn?t mention. This was a feature put in place for the release of the iPad and is still there. That?s 8 months it?ll be used by some people just to be changed when this update is released with no Setting to switch the physical toggle switch from being an orientation lock to a mute switch, which really isn?t needed as holding volume down for a second will instantly mute the device.
The funny thing here is that people claim Apple is ignoring the Mac but my Mac literally runs better than when I first got it. IPhone has gone in the opposite direction.
I'm especially bothered by WiFi issues as they have had years now to resolve the issues seen with iOS devices. Think about it how useful would these devices be without connectivity. People actually wonder why I want to see a massive increase in Flash storage in these devices.
As to the poor performance of iOS on the 3G, all the 3G does is demonstrates jut how bad iOS 4.x is in general. The faster machines just mask the fact that iOS 4.x is a steaming pile of dung. The bugs and regressions are still there but your CPU just powers through most of the time. Sadly 3GS and iPhone 4 users still report the same problems I've seen on my 3G.
Even though 4.1 is better it still does nasty things a Unix based machine shouldn't do. For example:
1. A complete hang yesterday in the settings app.
2. Apparent hangs or back ground operation of apps that literally drain the battery in a small fraction of the time it usually lasts. And people wonder why we want a process monitor and associated tools.
3. Numerous Safari and Mail app crashes. I'm not sure if it is a case of running out of memory or other nastiness. I lean to other because there isn't a lot going on with Mail to cause memory faults. Unless of course apps aren't quiting properly or iOS itself is still leaking memory. Note these are Apple coded apps, many of my third party apps are pretty good.
I still like my iPhone but Apple has lost a lot of credibility here. The whole point of buying into the product line is the idea of it just works. Instead of 100% we get just works about 95% of the time.
This is all inside the package of introducing multitasking, my gut feeling is that iOS is still not ready. The one app at time model worked pretty well and apple somehow started feeling the pressure from the bakery (Google) which produces half baked stuff anyway.
Multitasking is very very complex and it has to undergo a lot of regression to know the issues of the real world and then go back and fix it. But, I am sure they are also equally annoyed as they also own the same device
This is all inside the package of introducing multitasking, my gut feeling is that iOS is still not ready. The one app at time model worked pretty well and apple somehow started feeling the pressure from the bakery (Google) which produces half baked stuff anyway.
Multitasking is very very complex and it has to undergo a lot of regression to know the issues of the real world and then go back and fix it. But, I am sure they are also equally annoyed as they also own the same device
iOS has ALWAYS multitasked. From day one. Third party apps have not been allowed to run in the background, that's all.
I, along with 99.9% of other Apple customers, have not experienced any of these issues. It is also perplexing that you are complaining about the alleged "pulling" of a feature of a product that has not even been released. If you dislike Apple so much, perhaps now is the time to move to the Microsoft forums.
He has obviously invested in Apple products and if he has had problems that you have not experience why should he not be allowed to make his case. Just because you have not experienced these problems does not invalidate his. Apple is bog enough to take a little criticism.
iOS has ALWAYS multitasked. From day one. Third party apps have not been allowed to run in the background, that's all.
They are just using known methods for time splicing. What is there to debug?
The funny thing here is that people claim Apple is ignoring the Mac but my Mac literally runs better than when I first got it. IPhone has gone in the opposite direction.
I'm especially bothered by WiFi issues as they have had years now to resolve the issues seen with iOS devices. Think about it how useful would these devices be without connectivity. People actually wonder why I want to see a massive increase in Flash storage in these devices.
As to the poor performance of iOS on the 3G, all the 3G does is demonstrates jut how bad iOS 4.x is in general. The faster machines just mask the fact that iOS 4.x is a steaming pile of dung. The bugs and regressions are still there but your CPU just powers through most of the time. Sadly 3GS and iPhone 4 users still report the same problems I've seen on my 3G.
Even though 4.1 is better it still does nasty things a Unix based machine shouldn't do. For example:
1. A complete hang yesterday in the settings app.
2. Apparent hangs or back ground operation of apps that literally drain the battery in a small fraction of the time it usually lasts. And people wonder why we want a process monitor and associated tools.
3. Numerous Safari and Mail app crashes. I'm not sure if it is a case of running out of memory or other nastiness. I lean to other because there isn't a lot going on with Mail to cause memory faults. Unless of course apps aren't quiting properly or iOS itself is still leaking memory. Note these are Apple coded apps, many of my third party apps are pretty good.
I still like my iPhone but Apple has lost a lot of credibility here. The whole point of buying into the product line is the idea of it just works. Instead of 100% we get just works about 95% of the time.
It doesn?t ?just work? because you?re running a modern OS on antiquated hardware. Why is this so hard to comprehend?
He has obviously invested in Apple products and if he has had problems that you have not experience why should he not be allowed to make his case. Just because you have not experienced these problems does not invalidate his. Apple is bog enough to take a little criticism.
Exactly, thanks.
Our household is entirely iOS: Macs, AppleTV, the lot. I'm just saying I think that current output is not up to the usual perfectionist standards. When Microsoft and Android are both upping their smartphone games, now is not the time to get sloppy. iPhone 4 return rates are an excellently low 1.7%, but let me tell you, when you can't make a phone call because every time you put it to your ear your ear touches the live buttons because the proximity sensor is faulty is MADDENING. It's precisely because that feeling was exactly the one that made be choose Mac years back after pulling my hair out with Windows that it upsets me so much. It's the little details. Apple products shouldn't make me feel like that.
The cloud and device interconnectivity really are next years big battlegrounds. I'd like Apple to apply the same attention to detail to their software solutions in these areas as they do to their hardware as witnessed by the beautiful new MacBook Airs - that's all.
As for iOS, bugs, I guess I'm just unlucky to be in the 1.7%....
It doesn?t ?just work? because you?re running a modern OS on antiquated hardware. Why is this so hard to comprehend?
As the subject says the bugs in iOS have nothing to do with the 3G hardware. They may crop up quicker due to the lack of RAM but that only highlights that iOS is very buggy. Besides that I've repeatedly have heard the same complaints from people using newer hardware.
Issues like suddenly running the battery down and requiring a reboot are not unique to the 3G. In fact the only time my iPhone actually gets hot is when iOS is screwed up in some manner. Besides that why should a simple app like settings hang on any version of the hardware? Beyound that what is the issue with Mail having to be restarted, often more than once.
You can stick your hand in the sand if you want but everything I've seen indicates that iOS is the problem and not the hardware. That doesn't mean there aren't 3G specific issues but the vast majority of iOS complaints come from a wide cross section of device owners. If a 3GS or iPhone 4 owner reports the same issues as 3G owners that kinda rules out the 3G hardware doesn't it?
Maybe we need a show of hands! How many out there found themselves with issues after an upgrade to iOS 4.0 on a 3GS? That is finding the need to reboot, issues with iOS supplied apps or general stability issues? I know 4.1 improved this some but every indication I have is that 4.x has issues.