The company has also allegedly increased its build orders for the end of 2010, in anticipation of strong holiday sales.
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People shopping for the Hoidays will purchase the current Apple Ipad as they don't have the luxury of waiting till the new Ipad comes out. I don't believe sales will be hurt and this will be a good opportunity for Apple to lower inventory in preparation for an upcoming launch next year.
I would like to see you do better for the price (or any company for that matter).
He was correctly pointing out that iPad is very much a rev one product. Possibly the best rev one product Apple has ever delivered but none the less a rev one product.
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USB/Camera/RAM were omitted/limited for valid reasons.
Maybe, maybe not.
For example is there a valid reason to have left out a camera in the current iPad, especially considering Apple knew it had Facetime coming?
RAM is a more difficult issue but one can't dismiss the fact that iPad needs a lot more user accessible RAM. I realize they want to use the A4 processor with its stacked wafer design but that design has really crippled the iPad as far as potential apps go. Yeah 40,000 apps is pretty good but you have to judge by what is missing from that collection to realize what the lack of RAM has done to that library.
As to some of the other things people want, including people like me, no machine is perfect. Since I don't know what Apples reasons for not having a USB port or an SD card slow I can't say if the reasons are valid or not. In any event these lesser limitations are less of an issue in a rev one device. The key is how they update the device in the future.
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"low res screen" I would hardly call the screen on the ipad low res.
I've seen comments about the screen being low resolution many times and frankly it has me baffled too. I'm still pining for a wide screen iPad so maybe I'm way off the highway here but frankly the pixel density is pretty good on the iPad, things can always be better of course but it isn't bad. What many people don't seem to realize is that driving higher density screens requires significantly more GPU power plus a lot more RAM so I'm going to be surprised if linear density is doubled. That doesn't mean I would dismiss it as useful just that it would be surprising.
In any event one of the reasons I've held off on iPad 1 is that I expect a significant upgrade in iPad 2. The expectation is the upgrade will be far more impressive than what we see in a laptop upgrade. Most likely there will be a high performance dual core SoC with a lot more RAM. This will be a huge update in and of itself, with a few more additions the iPad 2 should be pretty compelling.
This is why Apple doesn't really advertise RAM, etc. Who cares how much RAM it has? It runs everything fast as hell as it is.
Your comments above highlight your limited knowledge about the real capabilities of iPad. For one it is actually a very slow machine processor wise. Second RAM is very important to have around to allow for a wide range of interesting apps. If you don't think RAM is important than you are simply very gullible. Remember iOS does not page out data to virtual memory and thus only provides for an app with the amount of RAM available when that app starts up. This doesn't even get into the issues that multitasking has with RAM.
In any event where does this idea come form that iPad is fast? I've used them a few times and frankly they are any thing but fast.
Huge sales for this holiday season, really how can you predict otherwise. As far the USB, guys its a portable wireless device, why does every want to wire down it to other devices. And please don't give me thousand reasons why you want to anchor it down with a cable to other devices like those who insisted iMacs had to have floppy drives. Want to transfer photos, http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC531ZM/A
Please don't be an idiot, there are many valid reasons to want a USB port and frankly none of them have anything to do with photos!!! Of course you want to put your head in the sand and not hear about those uses so feel free to live in ignorance. I will give you one hint though, iPad is even more portable than a laptop and runs on very little power.
They have that machine. It's called a MacBook Air. Why is it so difficult for people to understand what the iPad *is*, and what it *isn't*.
Because they belong to one of two groups:
1) The fence sitters who'll never buy any computer because they know the next generation will be a better value. Since that is always the case, they will always be waiting for the next generation.
2) The group who can't afford the item to start with, that is how they justify not buying it to their friends who have bought (they are only kidding themselves really).
Your comments above highlight your limited knowledge about the real capabilities of iPad. For one it is actually a very slow machine processor wise. Second RAM is very important to have around to allow for a wide range of interesting apps. If you don't think RAM is important than you are simply very gullible. Remember iOS does not page out data to virtual memory and thus only provides for an app with the amount of RAM available when that app starts up. This doesn't even get into the issues that multitasking has with RAM.
In any event where does this idea come form that iPad is fast? I've used them a few times and frankly they are any thing but fast.
Fast is a very relative term it all depends on your point of reference. I know 19 people who own (I don't yet BTW) iPads and none of them say RAM is problem. Since most of them are using them as secondary computers and never expected the iPad to replace their primary computer maybe that is the difference. The iPad was designed primarily as a media consumption device, not meant to replace your laptop so don't complain that it can't do what a computer that designed and marketed as a computer does .
He was correctly pointing out that iPad is very much a rev one product. Possibly the best rev one product Apple has ever delivered but none the less a rev one product.
Maybe, maybe not.
For example is there a valid reason to have left out a camera in the current iPad, especially considering Apple knew it had Facetime coming?
RAM is a more difficult issue but one can't dismiss the fact that iPad needs a lot more user accessible RAM. I realize they want to use the A4 processor with its stacked wafer design but that design has really crippled the iPad as far as potential apps go. Yeah 40,000 apps is pretty good but you have to judge by what is missing from that collection to realize what the lack of RAM has done to that library.
As to some of the other things people want, including people like me, no machine is perfect. Since I don't know what Apples reasons for not having a USB port or an SD card slow I can't say if the reasons are valid or not. In any event these lesser limitations are less of an issue in a rev one device. The key is how they update the device in the future.
I've seen comments about the screen being low resolution many times and frankly it has me baffled too. I'm still pining for a wide screen iPad so maybe I'm way off the highway here but frankly the pixel density is pretty good on the iPad, things can always be better of course but it isn't bad. What many people don't seem to realize is that driving higher density screens requires significantly more GPU power plus a lot more RAM so I'm going to be surprised if linear density is doubled. That doesn't mean I would dismiss it as useful just that it would be surprising.
In any event one of the reasons I've held off on iPad 1 is that I expect a significant upgrade in iPad 2. The expectation is the upgrade will be far more impressive than what we see in a laptop upgrade. Most likely there will be a high performance dual core SoC with a lot more RAM. This will be a huge update in and of itself, with a few more additions the iPad 2 should be pretty compelling.
IMHO everyone knows the iPad is a rev 1.0 product, don't like it, don't buy it and I'll 2nd monstrosity's comment.
There was a valid reason, Apple wanted it that way, pure and simple. Last I checked Apple doesn't need to get their product designs approved by anybody but Apple. Facetime was still a future product and IMO Apple was smart to omit a camera from the rev 1.0 iPad. BTW there are a lot more than 40,000 apps for the iPad.
I could see a POSSIBLE processor upgrade but not to a dual core SoC with a lot more RAM. And then you added 'with a few more additions it the iPad2 should be be pretty compelling.'
I absolutely disagree, using your logic, ADD Camera (I'll say only 1), a lot more RAM, dual core SoC, and a few more additions as you mentioned. The iPad2 would not be pretty compelling, IT WOULD BE MIRACULOUS AT CURRENT PRICE POINTS.
Try to make sure you take a step outside of your dream world every now and then. Reality isn't so bad when taken in small doses.
Fast is a very relative term it all depends on your point of reference. I know 19 people who own (I don't yet BTW) iPads and none of them say RAM is problem. Since most of them are using them as secondary computers and never expected the iPad to replace their primary computer maybe that is the difference. The iPad was designed primarily as a media consumption device, not meant to replace your laptop so don't complain that it can't do what a computer that designed and marketed as a computer does .
I can easily think of a RAM-issue that has been bugging me since day one: Safari constantly reloading tabs when you revisit them. At least I'm assuming that's a RAM-issue. Apart from the relatively low pixel density, that's my main gripe about the iPad. Just keep those damn tabs loaded!
Apple is going to steamroll these other tablet manufacturers until a real tablet-ready Android shows up... we'll assume for sake of expedience that Windows 7 "Slates" are not in the same real market, so ignore those paltry sales (desktop OS, higher price point, etc).
Fast is a very relative term it all depends on your point of reference. I know 19 people who own (I don't yet BTW) iPads and none of them say RAM is problem. Since most of them are using them as secondary computers and never expected the iPad to replace their primary computer maybe that is the difference. The iPad was designed primarily as a media consumption device, not meant to replace your laptop so don't complain that it can't do what a computer that designed and marketed as a computer does .
Let me highlight some issues:
IPhone 4 already has more RAM, thus it is concievable that some software will run better on that platform or exclusively there.
Safari is often reloading pages simply because there is not enought room to keep privious pages in memory. This slows down usage signficantly. Worst the relaods use up a lot of bandwidth that you are paying for.
The limted RAM has an imapct on what sort of apps can be built for use on the iPad. Like it or not the iPad is not strictly a consumption device as is evidenced by apps from Apple and third party vendors.
Mutlitask can signifcantly impact RAM usage. The iPad already starts out memory constrained and now we ahve the ability to run certain apps "in back gorund" for streaming serivces and the like. This does reduce RAM available for user memory in the fore ground app.
It really dons't matter what the people you know say about RAM. If they don't understand what it does with respect to the system how would they know it is a problem? This is sort of like a car owner responding to a safety recall and saying he doesn't have a problem so why bother. One needs to understand the issue before dismissing it.
You mix up complaining with wishing. Here we are discussing hopes for the second generation iPad not the current one. The expectation is that that will be a significantly better machine, to do that a RAM update is one of the things required. In any event back to iPhone 4 which has twice the RAM; do you really think they are going to release another iPad with less RAM than today iPhone?
Wizard69, you post was titled "RAM is a huge problem for iPad".
To put things in perspective, consider this...
My iMac has 8 gigs of ram and yet I spend more time browsing the web on my 0.25 gig of ram iPad.
That's right, I end up using the computer with 1/32 of the memory of the other computer. So apparently RAM isn't a huge problem for me. Even 32 times as much memory isn't enough to make me put down the iPad. I'm sure this is also true for many if not most iPad users.
With that said, increased RAM is my number one wish for the next iPad revision, which I will certainly be buying. More memory will make web browsing far more pleasurable. But "huge problem", seems like a rather combative and pessimistic way of viewing the current situation. If it were really a "huge problem", us iPad owners wouldn't be choosing to use our iPads for browsing when a memory loaded machine sits in the next room.
IMHO everyone knows the iPad is a rev 1.0 product, don't like it, don't buy it and I'll 2nd monstrosity's comment.
The current iPad is a very good rev one product but it does have shortcomings. The focus of this thread is that thought though that iPad two might weaken current iPad sales. For many of us this is already the case.
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There was a valid reason, Apple wanted it that way, pure and simple. Last I checked Apple doesn't need to get their product designs approved by anybody but Apple. Facetime was still a future product and IMO Apple was smart to omit a camera from the rev 1.0 iPad. BTW there are a lot more than 40,000 apps for the iPad.
The last numbers I saw indicated that there are about 40,000 iPad specific apps on the app store. Since the number is constantly in flux there is no sense debating the actual number. given that they number of iOS apps is massive with respect to the 40,000 number.
Well actually Apple does need one final approval and that is the customer willing to put up the money for the product. In effect the ultimate approval. The fact remains if you get a reputation for squeezing every possible nickel from your customers it ultimately catches up with you.
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I could see a POSSIBLE processor upgrade but not to a dual core SoC with a lot more RAM. And then you added 'with a few more additions it the iPad2 should be be pretty compelling.'
They really have no choice to remain competitive to go dual core. I actually believe this can be done with very little extra power usage given state of the art processes. Dual core is actually the preferred solution for additional performance combined with low power usage.
As far as RAM goes that is also a no brainer and we can see that iPhone 4 is already there. Just going form 256 to 512MB would more that double the amount of RAM available for apps because so much is already reserved by the system.
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I absolutely disagree, using your logic, ADD Camera (I'll say only 1), a lot more RAM, dual core SoC, and a few more additions as you mentioned. The iPad2 would not be pretty compelling, IT WOULD BE MIRACULOUS AT CURRENT PRICE POINTS.
Why?
IPhone 4 gained more RAM with out a price explosion and a higher integration SoC may not be significantly bigger depending upon the process used to engrave it. Since cost is directly related to die size there is a very good chance that a dual core Cortex A9 based SoC would not cost Apple significantly more. On top of all that Apple has had rather explosive growth in the sale of iOS devices so they should be getting their chips at very good prices with engineering costs spread far wider than initially expected. Besides Apple has a lot of "padding" in iPads price point, they can easily add functionality without a price increase. This doesn't even take into account new manufacturing methods to lower production costs.
Along with all of this I'm expecting a jump in installed flash memory too. At least at the high end.
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Try to make sure you take a step outside of your dream world every now and then. Reality isn't so bad when taken in small doses.
I really don't think you know what you are talking about. Apple has lots of options to build up iPad 2 into a more powerful machine. In some cases they have no option if they want to remain competitive with the competition. Honestly look at what is available right now as far as public information with respect to Cortex A9 based processors. Samsung, Qualcomm, TI and others have these processor cores available in high performance SoC that will make the coming Android based machines very powerful. Most of this stuff is due for delivery in early 2011 similarly to Apples iPad 2.
Consider to that Apples iPhone 4 brings to us some of this technology today. Right now iPad 1 is very cheap to produce, with the current volumes it would be fairly easy to see iPad 2 come in at the same price point with the sort of hardware we are discussing here. It is the reality of the very near future.
Wizard69, you post was titled "RAM is a huge problem for iPad".
To put things in perspective, consider this...
My iMac has 8 gigs of ram and yet I spend more time browsing the web on my 0.25 gig of ram iPad.
That's right, I end up using the computer with 1/32 of the memory of the other computer. So apparently RAM isn't a huge problem for me. Even 32 times as much memory isn't enough to make me put down the iPad. I'm sure this is also true for many if not most iPad users.
It might be and you might not even know it. If you do that browsing over 3G you could be using a significant part of your bandwidth allotment reloading web pages in Safari! Of course if you are on WiFi most of the time all you are dealing with then is reloads that might not actually cost much but time.
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With that said, increased RAM is my number one wish for the next iPad revision, which I will certainly be buying. More memory will make web browsing far more pleasurable.
Was not that one of my points? The lack of RAM significantly impacts Safari on the machine.
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But "huge problem", seems like a rather combative and pessimistic way of viewing the current situation. If it were really a "huge problem", us iPad owners wouldn't be choosing to use our iPads for browsing when a memory loaded machine sits in the next room.
Well you can't very well hold that iMac in your lap in the easy chair can you. The fact that other factors come into play doesn't reduce the the issue with RAM. As you say it should make browsing far more enjoyable.
It isn't just Safari either as RAM impacts the size of pics and PDFs you can work with on iOS devices.
If you do that browsing over 3G you could be using a significant part of your bandwidth allotment reloading web pages in Safari! Of course if you are on WiFi most of the time all you are dealing with then is reloads that might not actually cost much but time.
Was not that one of my points? The lack of RAM significantly impacts Safari on the machine.
Well you can't very well hold that iMac in your lap in the easy chair can you. The fact that other factors come into play doesn't reduce the the issue with RAM. As you say it should make browsing far more enjoyable.
It isn't just Safari either as RAM impacts the size of pics and PDFs you can work with on iOS devices.
Well of course I can't hold a 27 iMac while lying down in bed. Thus by your definition, the iMac has a "huge problem"?
Apple must address this huge problem in the next revision of the iMac.
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The company has also allegedly increased its build orders for the end of 2010, in anticipation of strong holiday sales.
People shopping for the Hoidays will purchase the current Apple Ipad as they don't have the luxury of waiting till the new Ipad comes out. I don't believe sales will be hurt and this will be a good opportunity for Apple to lower inventory in preparation for an upcoming launch next year.
Having your cake and eating it, too! I like that.
I would like to see you do better for the price (or any company for that matter).
He was correctly pointing out that iPad is very much a rev one product. Possibly the best rev one product Apple has ever delivered but none the less a rev one product.
USB/Camera/RAM were omitted/limited for valid reasons.
Maybe, maybe not.
For example is there a valid reason to have left out a camera in the current iPad, especially considering Apple knew it had Facetime coming?
RAM is a more difficult issue but one can't dismiss the fact that iPad needs a lot more user accessible RAM. I realize they want to use the A4 processor with its stacked wafer design but that design has really crippled the iPad as far as potential apps go. Yeah 40,000 apps is pretty good but you have to judge by what is missing from that collection to realize what the lack of RAM has done to that library.
As to some of the other things people want, including people like me, no machine is perfect. Since I don't know what Apples reasons for not having a USB port or an SD card slow I can't say if the reasons are valid or not. In any event these lesser limitations are less of an issue in a rev one device. The key is how they update the device in the future.
"low res screen" I would hardly call the screen on the ipad low res.
I've seen comments about the screen being low resolution many times and frankly it has me baffled too. I'm still pining for a wide screen iPad so maybe I'm way off the highway here but frankly the pixel density is pretty good on the iPad, things can always be better of course but it isn't bad. What many people don't seem to realize is that driving higher density screens requires significantly more GPU power plus a lot more RAM so I'm going to be surprised if linear density is doubled. That doesn't mean I would dismiss it as useful just that it would be surprising.
In any event one of the reasons I've held off on iPad 1 is that I expect a significant upgrade in iPad 2. The expectation is the upgrade will be far more impressive than what we see in a laptop upgrade. Most likely there will be a high performance dual core SoC with a lot more RAM. This will be a huge update in and of itself, with a few more additions the iPad 2 should be pretty compelling.
This is why Apple doesn't really advertise RAM, etc. Who cares how much RAM it has? It runs everything fast as hell as it is.
Your comments above highlight your limited knowledge about the real capabilities of iPad. For one it is actually a very slow machine processor wise. Second RAM is very important to have around to allow for a wide range of interesting apps. If you don't think RAM is important than you are simply very gullible. Remember iOS does not page out data to virtual memory and thus only provides for an app with the amount of RAM available when that app starts up. This doesn't even get into the issues that multitasking has with RAM.
In any event where does this idea come form that iPad is fast? I've used them a few times and frankly they are any thing but fast.
Huge sales for this holiday season, really how can you predict otherwise. As far the USB, guys its a portable wireless device, why does every want to wire down it to other devices. And please don't give me thousand reasons why you want to anchor it down with a cable to other devices like those who insisted iMacs had to have floppy drives. Want to transfer photos, http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC531ZM/A
Please don't be an idiot, there are many valid reasons to want a USB port and frankly none of them have anything to do with photos!!! Of course you want to put your head in the sand and not hear about those uses so feel free to live in ignorance. I will give you one hint though, iPad is even more portable than a laptop and runs on very little power.
They have that machine. It's called a MacBook Air. Why is it so difficult for people to understand what the iPad *is*, and what it *isn't*.
Because they belong to one of two groups:
1) The fence sitters who'll never buy any computer because they know the next generation will be a better value. Since that is always the case, they will always be waiting for the next generation.
2) The group who can't afford the item to start with, that is how they justify not buying it to their friends who have bought (they are only kidding themselves really).
Your comments above highlight your limited knowledge about the real capabilities of iPad. For one it is actually a very slow machine processor wise. Second RAM is very important to have around to allow for a wide range of interesting apps. If you don't think RAM is important than you are simply very gullible. Remember iOS does not page out data to virtual memory and thus only provides for an app with the amount of RAM available when that app starts up. This doesn't even get into the issues that multitasking has with RAM.
In any event where does this idea come form that iPad is fast? I've used them a few times and frankly they are any thing but fast.
Fast is a very relative term it all depends on your point of reference. I know 19 people who own (I don't yet BTW) iPads and none of them say RAM is problem. Since most of them are using them as secondary computers and never expected the iPad to replace their primary computer maybe that is the difference. The iPad was designed primarily as a media consumption device, not meant to replace your laptop so don't complain that it can't do what a computer that designed and marketed as a computer does .
He was correctly pointing out that iPad is very much a rev one product. Possibly the best rev one product Apple has ever delivered but none the less a rev one product.
Maybe, maybe not.
For example is there a valid reason to have left out a camera in the current iPad, especially considering Apple knew it had Facetime coming?
RAM is a more difficult issue but one can't dismiss the fact that iPad needs a lot more user accessible RAM. I realize they want to use the A4 processor with its stacked wafer design but that design has really crippled the iPad as far as potential apps go. Yeah 40,000 apps is pretty good but you have to judge by what is missing from that collection to realize what the lack of RAM has done to that library.
As to some of the other things people want, including people like me, no machine is perfect. Since I don't know what Apples reasons for not having a USB port or an SD card slow I can't say if the reasons are valid or not. In any event these lesser limitations are less of an issue in a rev one device. The key is how they update the device in the future.
I've seen comments about the screen being low resolution many times and frankly it has me baffled too. I'm still pining for a wide screen iPad so maybe I'm way off the highway here but frankly the pixel density is pretty good on the iPad, things can always be better of course but it isn't bad. What many people don't seem to realize is that driving higher density screens requires significantly more GPU power plus a lot more RAM so I'm going to be surprised if linear density is doubled. That doesn't mean I would dismiss it as useful just that it would be surprising.
In any event one of the reasons I've held off on iPad 1 is that I expect a significant upgrade in iPad 2. The expectation is the upgrade will be far more impressive than what we see in a laptop upgrade. Most likely there will be a high performance dual core SoC with a lot more RAM. This will be a huge update in and of itself, with a few more additions the iPad 2 should be pretty compelling.
IMHO everyone knows the iPad is a rev 1.0 product, don't like it, don't buy it and I'll 2nd monstrosity's comment.
There was a valid reason, Apple wanted it that way, pure and simple. Last I checked Apple doesn't need to get their product designs approved by anybody but Apple. Facetime was still a future product and IMO Apple was smart to omit a camera from the rev 1.0 iPad. BTW there are a lot more than 40,000 apps for the iPad.
I could see a POSSIBLE processor upgrade but not to a dual core SoC with a lot more RAM. And then you added 'with a few more additions it the iPad2 should be be pretty compelling.'
I absolutely disagree, using your logic, ADD Camera (I'll say only 1), a lot more RAM, dual core SoC, and a few more additions as you mentioned. The iPad2 would not be pretty compelling, IT WOULD BE MIRACULOUS AT CURRENT PRICE POINTS.
Try to make sure you take a step outside of your dream world every now and then. Reality isn't so bad when taken in small doses.
Fast is a very relative term it all depends on your point of reference. I know 19 people who own (I don't yet BTW) iPads and none of them say RAM is problem. Since most of them are using them as secondary computers and never expected the iPad to replace their primary computer maybe that is the difference. The iPad was designed primarily as a media consumption device, not meant to replace your laptop so don't complain that it can't do what a computer that designed and marketed as a computer does .
I can easily think of a RAM-issue that has been bugging me since day one: Safari constantly reloading tabs when you revisit them. At least I'm assuming that's a RAM-issue. Apart from the relatively low pixel density, that's my main gripe about the iPad. Just keep those damn tabs loaded!
Fast is a very relative term it all depends on your point of reference. I know 19 people who own (I don't yet BTW) iPads and none of them say RAM is problem. Since most of them are using them as secondary computers and never expected the iPad to replace their primary computer maybe that is the difference. The iPad was designed primarily as a media consumption device, not meant to replace your laptop so don't complain that it can't do what a computer that designed and marketed as a computer does .
Let me highlight some issues:
To put things in perspective, consider this...
My iMac has 8 gigs of ram and yet I spend more time browsing the web on my 0.25 gig of ram iPad.
That's right, I end up using the computer with 1/32 of the memory of the other computer. So apparently RAM isn't a huge problem for me. Even 32 times as much memory isn't enough to make me put down the iPad. I'm sure this is also true for many if not most iPad users.
With that said, increased RAM is my number one wish for the next iPad revision, which I will certainly be buying. More memory will make web browsing far more pleasurable. But "huge problem", seems like a rather combative and pessimistic way of viewing the current situation. If it were really a "huge problem", us iPad owners wouldn't be choosing to use our iPads for browsing when a memory loaded machine sits in the next room.
IMHO everyone knows the iPad is a rev 1.0 product, don't like it, don't buy it and I'll 2nd monstrosity's comment.
The current iPad is a very good rev one product but it does have shortcomings. The focus of this thread is that thought though that iPad two might weaken current iPad sales. For many of us this is already the case.
There was a valid reason, Apple wanted it that way, pure and simple. Last I checked Apple doesn't need to get their product designs approved by anybody but Apple. Facetime was still a future product and IMO Apple was smart to omit a camera from the rev 1.0 iPad. BTW there are a lot more than 40,000 apps for the iPad.
The last numbers I saw indicated that there are about 40,000 iPad specific apps on the app store. Since the number is constantly in flux there is no sense debating the actual number. given that they number of iOS apps is massive with respect to the 40,000 number.
Well actually Apple does need one final approval and that is the customer willing to put up the money for the product. In effect the ultimate approval. The fact remains if you get a reputation for squeezing every possible nickel from your customers it ultimately catches up with you.
I could see a POSSIBLE processor upgrade but not to a dual core SoC with a lot more RAM. And then you added 'with a few more additions it the iPad2 should be be pretty compelling.'
They really have no choice to remain competitive to go dual core. I actually believe this can be done with very little extra power usage given state of the art processes. Dual core is actually the preferred solution for additional performance combined with low power usage.
As far as RAM goes that is also a no brainer and we can see that iPhone 4 is already there. Just going form 256 to 512MB would more that double the amount of RAM available for apps because so much is already reserved by the system.
I absolutely disagree, using your logic, ADD Camera (I'll say only 1), a lot more RAM, dual core SoC, and a few more additions as you mentioned. The iPad2 would not be pretty compelling, IT WOULD BE MIRACULOUS AT CURRENT PRICE POINTS.
Why?
IPhone 4 gained more RAM with out a price explosion and a higher integration SoC may not be significantly bigger depending upon the process used to engrave it. Since cost is directly related to die size there is a very good chance that a dual core Cortex A9 based SoC would not cost Apple significantly more. On top of all that Apple has had rather explosive growth in the sale of iOS devices so they should be getting their chips at very good prices with engineering costs spread far wider than initially expected. Besides Apple has a lot of "padding" in iPads price point, they can easily add functionality without a price increase. This doesn't even take into account new manufacturing methods to lower production costs.
Along with all of this I'm expecting a jump in installed flash memory too. At least at the high end.
Try to make sure you take a step outside of your dream world every now and then. Reality isn't so bad when taken in small doses.
I really don't think you know what you are talking about. Apple has lots of options to build up iPad 2 into a more powerful machine. In some cases they have no option if they want to remain competitive with the competition. Honestly look at what is available right now as far as public information with respect to Cortex A9 based processors. Samsung, Qualcomm, TI and others have these processor cores available in high performance SoC that will make the coming Android based machines very powerful. Most of this stuff is due for delivery in early 2011 similarly to Apples iPad 2.
Consider to that Apples iPhone 4 brings to us some of this technology today. Right now iPad 1 is very cheap to produce, with the current volumes it would be fairly easy to see iPad 2 come in at the same price point with the sort of hardware we are discussing here. It is the reality of the very near future.
Wizard69, you post was titled "RAM is a huge problem for iPad".
To put things in perspective, consider this...
My iMac has 8 gigs of ram and yet I spend more time browsing the web on my 0.25 gig of ram iPad.
That's right, I end up using the computer with 1/32 of the memory of the other computer. So apparently RAM isn't a huge problem for me. Even 32 times as much memory isn't enough to make me put down the iPad. I'm sure this is also true for many if not most iPad users.
It might be and you might not even know it. If you do that browsing over 3G you could be using a significant part of your bandwidth allotment reloading web pages in Safari! Of course if you are on WiFi most of the time all you are dealing with then is reloads that might not actually cost much but time.
With that said, increased RAM is my number one wish for the next iPad revision, which I will certainly be buying. More memory will make web browsing far more pleasurable.
Was not that one of my points? The lack of RAM significantly impacts Safari on the machine.
But "huge problem", seems like a rather combative and pessimistic way of viewing the current situation. If it were really a "huge problem", us iPad owners wouldn't be choosing to use our iPads for browsing when a memory loaded machine sits in the next room.
Well you can't very well hold that iMac in your lap in the easy chair can you. The fact that other factors come into play doesn't reduce the the issue with RAM. As you say it should make browsing far more enjoyable.
It isn't just Safari either as RAM impacts the size of pics and PDFs you can work with on iOS devices.
It might be and you might not even know it.
If you do that browsing over 3G you could be using a significant part of your bandwidth allotment reloading web pages in Safari! Of course if you are on WiFi most of the time all you are dealing with then is reloads that might not actually cost much but time.
Was not that one of my points? The lack of RAM significantly impacts Safari on the machine.
Well you can't very well hold that iMac in your lap in the easy chair can you. The fact that other factors come into play doesn't reduce the the issue with RAM. As you say it should make browsing far more enjoyable.
It isn't just Safari either as RAM impacts the size of pics and PDFs you can work with on iOS devices.
Well of course I can't hold a 27 iMac while lying down in bed. Thus by your definition, the iMac has a "huge problem"?
Apple must address this huge problem in the next revision of the iMac.