Does anybody see a nexus between these two stories? "some users" have a problem. Jailbreakers. Jailbreakers steal software. Apple tries to protect its developers. Spple doesn't like criminals mucking around inside their devices. "Some users" have an experience with an Apple product which is different from the Apple User Experience.
Who are these people who claim problems? Jailbreakers? Criminals? Jailbreaking allows users to steal software from the App Store. Jailbreaking makes Apple's iPhones less secure. Apple tries its level best to protect the Apple User Experience for the average user.
That makes no sense.
For one thing, many people with non-jailbroken iPhones had this issue (although, it barely reaches issue level, considering how minor it is).
Besides, jailbreaking is not illegal, so I am not sure where the criminal angle comes in.
Who are these people who claim problems? Jailbreakers? Criminals? Jailbreaking allows users to steal software from the App Store. Jailbreaking makes Apple's iPhones less secure. Apple tries its level best to protect the Apple User Experience for the average user.
Not for anything, but Jailbreaking by itself is legal. Not everyone Jailbreaks to steal software.
Case in point: I have an iPhone 3G. I can record video with Cycorder, I can free up memory with SBSettings, I can mark all my mail as read with PopMark, and I can run command-line from MobileTerminal. None of these can be done with an "off-the-shelf" 3G. Does this make me a criminal?
Yes there is some JB software that may conflict with other stuff (like backgrounder) but a lot of apps in the Apple App Store have reviews like "buggy" and "crashes" too.
Jailbreaking makes the platform more open by removing the limits imposed by the manufacturer, and yes, therefore, creates the *potential* to steal/pirate software. But it doesn't *make you* steal software.
Syncing the iPhone after the update is all that is required. Only my music was missing from the iPod app; photos, and other apps were still functional.
As for jailbreakers, eh, w/e. They just find the holes Apple needs to secure and they develop functionality that Apple eventually adds in their own, possibly more stable, way. I just hope developers aren't hurt too much by pirating.
After the sync for the newest iOS, a pop up on my Mac told me over 100 issues with missing music. After poking around in mail and phone, a pop up on my phone told me my .me pass was wrong and asked me to re-enter it, then my voice mail said my pass was wrong.
I don't have a jailbroken phone. Just a 3GS with a few apps and 16 gigs of music.
I synced after playing a tune from within the iPhone music via my Macbook Pro, but missing stuff is still reported and my passwords are still missing.
sure I can experiment with wiping the various apps, or the whole phone, and syncing again, but why should that be required? I'm no slouch, but I shouldn't have to jump through hoops to reclaim a normal working environment after an incremental upgrade.
Whatever. I have a jail broken phone. That is a necessary step to unlocking it. Once I buy the hardware, Apple has no say in what I do with it as long as I am willing to suffer the consequences of a voided warranty. T-Mobile is a million times better in my area in terms of customer service, call quality, and pricing.
Further, I have heard stories you can steal software from the Apple store with a jail broken phone. That was a while ago. I certainly do not how to do it. I suspect most people jail breaking just want the phone unlocked to use on other networks. Perfectly legal.
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Originally Posted by Pomme
Does anybody see a nexus between these two stories? "some users" have a problem. Jailbreakers. Jailbreakers steal software. Apple tries to protect its developers. Spple doesn't like criminals mucking around inside their devices. "Some users" have an experience with an Apple product which is different from the Apple User Experience.
Who are these people who claim problems? Jailbreakers? Criminals? Jailbreaking allows users to steal software from the App Store. Jailbreaking makes Apple's iPhones less secure. Apple tries its level best to protect the Apple User Experience for the average user.
On Windows, ZoneAlarm (and possibly other firewall/AV software) is a frequent cause of problems, particularly with OS updates.
Yes, for Windows or other update mechanisms which have to contact the Internet during the update process. AFAIK after iTunes downloaded the new firmware it is transferred to the iPad via USB so Zonealarm or any other firewall is unlikely to be the culprit.
To restore the music library you need only to sync & open the iPod app, which displays ? Updating Music Library ?. This will take only @ 2 mins for 2,000 + titles
Does anybody see a nexus between these two stories? "some users" have a problem. Jailbreakers. Jailbreakers steal software. Apple tries to protect its developers. Spple doesn't like criminals mucking around inside their devices. "Some users" have an experience with an Apple product which is different from the Apple User Experience.
Who are these people who claim problems? Jailbreakers? Criminals? Jailbreaking allows users to steal software from the App Store. Jailbreaking makes Apple's iPhones less secure. Apple tries its level best to protect the Apple User Experience for the average user.
I never had my ipod jailbroken. Don't see the purpose anyway since i am perfectly happy with the way it works out of the box.
After the update, though i still had my music playlist disappeard. However, as others said, easy fix by resynching the devise with itunes.
Next step. getting the iphone through my mobile network !!!!!!
Do not attempt the jailbreak yet. Especially on the iPad...
Number 1 it is a tethered jailbreak.
Number 2 if you install some things through Cydia you can only boot tethered through Redsnow and you may not be able to boot normally.
Number 3 they are still working out things like Mobile Substrate and so on. Give it time. Within a few weeks many of the various devs will get their stuff up and running with Cydia etc and hopefully there will be an untethered jailbreak as well. I give it at least 2 weeks for the dust to settle.
Do not attempt the jailbreak yet. Especially on the iPad...
Number 1 it is a tethered jailbreak.
Number 2 if you install some things through Cydia you can only boot tethered through Redsnow and you may not be able to boot normally.
Number 3 they are still working out things like Mobile Substrate and so on. Give it time. Within a few weeks many of the various devs will get their stuff up and running with Cydia etc and hopefully there will be an untethered jailbreak as well. I give it at least 2 weeks for the dust to settle.
Redsn0w+3G+4.2.1=all good. I'm running it now. Cydia works. Activator complains.
Come on man, that's not right. Apple is big now for a lot of reasons, and a big one is that it's less buggy than other platforms. That stability and predictability is definitely part of the premium experience.
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I'm sorry you had troubles with your upgrade process. Whatever the device (computer, iPhone, etc), we always want (and hope for) a smooth experience.
But being mad at Apple for not providing a 'premium' experience is a bit unrealistic. That's like buying a $100,000 Mercedes or BMW, and expecting it not to suffer the same mechanical issues inherent to any car. In the end, it's still a car, and things can go wrong with it. And the iPhone is a computer, that can suffer corruption like any other computer.
The premium experience is that you were able to take it to an Apple Store and have it swapped out painlessly. Try doing that at Best Buy or anywhere else...
Redsn0w+3G+4.2.1=all good. I'm running it now. Cydia works. Activator complains.
Cool. I need Mobile Substrate and Veency to work properly, it doesn't seem to be doing that yet. And I need DisplayOut which is not yet supported on 4.2, the developer is on vacation or something. Argh LOL.
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Does anybody see a nexus between these two stories? "some users" have a problem. Jailbreakers. Jailbreakers steal software. Apple tries to protect its developers. Spple doesn't like criminals mucking around inside their devices. "Some users" have an experience with an Apple product which is different from the Apple User Experience.
Who are these people who claim problems? Jailbreakers? Criminals? Jailbreaking allows users to steal software from the App Store. Jailbreaking makes Apple's iPhones less secure. Apple tries its level best to protect the Apple User Experience for the average user.
That makes no sense.
For one thing, many people with non-jailbroken iPhones had this issue (although, it barely reaches issue level, considering how minor it is).
Besides, jailbreaking is not illegal, so I am not sure where the criminal angle comes in.
Who are these people who claim problems? Jailbreakers? Criminals? Jailbreaking allows users to steal software from the App Store. Jailbreaking makes Apple's iPhones less secure. Apple tries its level best to protect the Apple User Experience for the average user.
Not for anything, but Jailbreaking by itself is legal. Not everyone Jailbreaks to steal software.
Case in point: I have an iPhone 3G. I can record video with Cycorder, I can free up memory with SBSettings, I can mark all my mail as read with PopMark, and I can run command-line from MobileTerminal. None of these can be done with an "off-the-shelf" 3G. Does this make me a criminal?
Yes there is some JB software that may conflict with other stuff (like backgrounder) but a lot of apps in the Apple App Store have reviews like "buggy" and "crashes" too.
Jailbreaking makes the platform more open by removing the limits imposed by the manufacturer, and yes, therefore, creates the *potential* to steal/pirate software. But it doesn't *make you* steal software.
As for jailbreakers, eh, w/e. They just find the holes Apple needs to secure and they develop functionality that Apple eventually adds in their own, possibly more stable, way. I just hope developers aren't hurt too much by pirating.
I don't have a jailbroken phone. Just a 3GS with a few apps and 16 gigs of music.
I synced after playing a tune from within the iPhone music via my Macbook Pro, but missing stuff is still reported and my passwords are still missing.
sure I can experiment with wiping the various apps, or the whole phone, and syncing again, but why should that be required? I'm no slouch, but I shouldn't have to jump through hoops to reclaim a normal working environment after an incremental upgrade.
Further, I have heard stories you can steal software from the Apple store with a jail broken phone. That was a while ago. I certainly do not how to do it. I suspect most people jail breaking just want the phone unlocked to use on other networks. Perfectly legal.
Does anybody see a nexus between these two stories? "some users" have a problem. Jailbreakers. Jailbreakers steal software. Apple tries to protect its developers. Spple doesn't like criminals mucking around inside their devices. "Some users" have an experience with an Apple product which is different from the Apple User Experience.
Who are these people who claim problems? Jailbreakers? Criminals? Jailbreaking allows users to steal software from the App Store. Jailbreaking makes Apple's iPhones less secure. Apple tries its level best to protect the Apple User Experience for the average user.
Power off/on worked for me.
Didn't anyone at Apple test this before they released it?
Just don't test it that way.
On Windows, ZoneAlarm (and possibly other firewall/AV software) is a frequent cause of problems, particularly with OS updates.
Yes, for Windows or other update mechanisms which have to contact the Internet during the update process. AFAIK after iTunes downloaded the new firmware it is transferred to the iPad via USB so Zonealarm or any other firewall is unlikely to be the culprit.
I just hope developers aren't hurt too much by pirating.
Yeah right, as if everyone who jail breaks its iPhone/iPad does it solely for pirating.
Cheers !
Does anybody see a nexus between these two stories? "some users" have a problem. Jailbreakers. Jailbreakers steal software. Apple tries to protect its developers. Spple doesn't like criminals mucking around inside their devices. "Some users" have an experience with an Apple product which is different from the Apple User Experience.
Who are these people who claim problems? Jailbreakers? Criminals? Jailbreaking allows users to steal software from the App Store. Jailbreaking makes Apple's iPhones less secure. Apple tries its level best to protect the Apple User Experience for the average user.
I never had my ipod jailbroken. Don't see the purpose anyway since i am perfectly happy with the way it works out of the box.
After the update, though i still had my music playlist disappeard. However, as others said, easy fix by resynching the devise with itunes.
Next step. getting the iphone through my mobile network !!!!!!
Number 1 it is a tethered jailbreak.
Number 2 if you install some things through Cydia you can only boot tethered through Redsnow and you may not be able to boot normally.
Number 3 they are still working out things like Mobile Substrate and so on. Give it time. Within a few weeks many of the various devs will get their stuff up and running with Cydia etc and hopefully there will be an untethered jailbreak as well. I give it at least 2 weeks for the dust to settle.
Do not attempt the jailbreak yet. Especially on the iPad...
Number 1 it is a tethered jailbreak.
Number 2 if you install some things through Cydia you can only boot tethered through Redsnow and you may not be able to boot normally.
Number 3 they are still working out things like Mobile Substrate and so on. Give it time. Within a few weeks many of the various devs will get their stuff up and running with Cydia etc and hopefully there will be an untethered jailbreak as well. I give it at least 2 weeks for the dust to settle.
Redsn0w+3G+4.2.1=all good. I'm running it now. Cydia works. Activator complains.
I'm sorry you had troubles with your upgrade process. Whatever the device (computer, iPhone, etc), we always want (and hope for) a smooth experience.
But being mad at Apple for not providing a 'premium' experience is a bit unrealistic. That's like buying a $100,000 Mercedes or BMW, and expecting it not to suffer the same mechanical issues inherent to any car. In the end, it's still a car, and things can go wrong with it. And the iPhone is a computer, that can suffer corruption like any other computer.
The premium experience is that you were able to take it to an Apple Store and have it swapped out painlessly. Try doing that at Best Buy or anywhere else...
Redsn0w+3G+4.2.1=all good. I'm running it now. Cydia works. Activator complains.
Cool. I need Mobile Substrate and Veency to work properly, it doesn't seem to be doing that yet. And I need DisplayOut which is not yet supported on 4.2, the developer is on vacation or something. Argh LOL.