Apple co-founder offered first computer design to HP 5 times

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  • Reply 21 of 30
    john.bjohn.b Posts: 2,742member
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    Originally Posted by PeterRRRRRR View Post


    Bill Gates doesn't sleep at night, too busy saving millions of lives around the world and re-inventing US education system.



    "Re-inventing US education system"? Grammar much?



    Seriously, did Bill Gates invent charter schools in the same way that Al Gore invented the Internet?
  • Reply 22 of 30
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    Originally Posted by PeterRRRRRR View Post


    Bill Gates doesn't sleep at night, too busy saving millions of lives around the world and re-inventing US education system. Woz obviously content to play Segway Polo, while Jobs makes gadgets that will be electronic trash in 3 years.



    And thus is able to shelter most of his income from the IRS for modest (compared to his income and capital gains) charitable donation. While the work on health is admirable, he is no Andrew Carnegie.
  • Reply 23 of 30
    iqatedoiqatedo Posts: 1,825member
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    Originally Posted by canucklehead View Post


    Apple is the innovative company it is now because of the path it took. Had HP been involved, the powers that be likely would not have had the foresight to even continue development of these computers and even if they had, they would never have ended up the way they are now. The simple fact that HP didn't see value in these computers to begin with demonstrates how HP's thinking was different than Woz/Jobs.



    There was never a missed opportunity because the opportunity wouldn't have been the same.



    It does not surprise me at all that Woz would have felt such loyalty to HP. The HP of today is not the HP of those days. The company was built on engineering excellence by two engineers who displayed incredible vision and dedication to the highest standards. Woz would have fully appreciated this fact. Furthermore, this argument can be easily supported if one goes and searches out the HP Journal that they used to produce, in which their design philosophy was displayed. Anyone with an understanding of the art of those days would be blown away by the vision that they displayed. The Apple I design would understandably have seemed a mere distraction.



    Have a look at the web site for Agilent, which is the company, spun off from HP, that more accurately represents what HP stood for in those days.



    I've always believed that HP could have owned personal computing, however, they simply weren't in a position to take up the offer, the mindset was elsewhere (albeit, in a very happy, excellent place ). HP certainly pioneered modern concepts, such as just-in-time manufacturing that are important to Apple and most modern hardware companies and no doubt, inspired Woz to excellence.



    I would have much preferred that Agilent had kept the HP name and the personal computer business had gone with a new name, however, by the time the split came, I guess it was too late to go that way.
  • Reply 24 of 30
    ijoynerijoyner Posts: 135member
    HP got its innovative stack designs from Burroughs, where the ideas of stacks and Reverse-Polish Notation (RPN) was introduced by Bob Barton:



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_S._Barton



    Thus HP and Woz have a lineage to Barton.



    But not only that, but Alan Kay who did so much of the design at Xerox PARC that went into the Mac had been a student of Barton's. Steve Jobs saw the ideas and since Xerox didn't want to build and sell them offered to do it. Xerox could also say "you win some, you lose some". Alan Kay also had the idea of the Dynabook 30 years ago, which has finally made it in the iPad.



    Burroughs could also say "you win some, you lose some", since Barton left them (to teach at Utah). However, apart from his ideas, Barton's designs (which still solve many of today's problems like security), still live on in the Unisys Clearpath MCP series.



    http://www.coe.utah.edu/view_news/83
  • Reply 25 of 30
    brendonbrendon Posts: 642member
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    Originally Posted by IQatEdo View Post


    It does not surprise me at all that Woz would have felt such loyalty to HP. The HP of today is not the HP of those days. The company was built on engineering excellence by two engineers who displayed incredible vision and dedication to the highest standards. Woz would have fully appreciated this fact. Furthermore, this argument can be easily supported if one goes and searches out the HP Journal that they used to produce, in which their design philosophy was displayed. Anyone with an understanding of the art of those days would be blown away by the vision that they displayed. The Apple I design would understandably have seemed a mere distraction.



    According to Woz, he was under contract as an HP employee. Anything Woz engineered was the property of HP first, hence pitch the Apple I idea to HP over and over and if they continue to refuse then Woz would be free to build and patent those refused products. In short Woz was and is an ethical guy, sue him for being a good employee and citizen. Funny they teach ethics, my guess is a guy like Woz would be bored in such a class.
  • Reply 26 of 30
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    Originally Posted by screamingfist View Post


    that has to be the dumbest post ever.



    there would be no Apple if not for wozniak you moron.



    Woz was responsible for many designs that went into early Apple computers. Apple's name and reputation were built on their early machines. After Apple became a huge success, Woz left the company to pursue other things. Later, John Sculley fired Steve Jobs and then ran Apple into the ground. Eventually, Jobs returns and rebuilds the company.



    Woz simply utilized the benefits of his early success to pursue his own personal goals. I don't see how Woz really failed in any way...
  • Reply 27 of 30
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    Originally Posted by dehildum View Post


    And thus is able to shelter most of his income from the IRS for modest (compared to his income and capital gains) charitable donation. While the work on health is admirable, he is no Andrew Carnegie.



    Gates thing was really more about trying to get other rich people to give generously, rather than doing it all himself. Thats why he would do stuff like that mosquito stunt...
  • Reply 28 of 30
    iqatedoiqatedo Posts: 1,825member
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    Originally Posted by BDBLACK View Post


    Gates thing was really more about trying to get other rich people to give generously, rather than doing it all himself. Thats why he would do stuff like that mosquito stunt...



    At a personal level, my perception of Bill Gates is that he is a most pleasant fellow. One wonders what Microsoft would have been if he and Paul Allen had not encumbered themselves with Steve Ballmer.
  • Reply 29 of 30
    nagromme said:
    If things had gone differently, imagine the alternate world that might have happened: there could even have been HP iPods!
    Which did exist at one point, though HP couldn't sell them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod%2BHP
  • Reply 30 of 30
    sofabutt said:
    Apple = success.

    Steve Wozniak = failure.

    But if you confuse the two long enough, and mix in a little news media, Steve Wozniak can ride the coat tails of Apple for the rest of his life...
    That's just wrong. Co-founding Apple made Woz wealthy enough to life a live, where he can do and work on things that he wants when he wants, if he wants and that since his thirties. He left Apple when it stopped being fun.
    He seems to be on of the luckiest people in the Valley, which I consider a great success in life.
    ... unless you measure success in the numbers of your bank account of course. But that sounds like a sad life indeed.
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