I disagree-- I think if Intel bothered to implement a combo USB 3/LP port it's because they see that as the best way to drive adoption. All those millions of PC buyers will pick up the new computer with "USB 3" and have the stealth LP port waiting to go. I assuming Intel will be baking the format into their chip sets, so any manufacture of peripheral equipment that wants to use transfer speed as a selling point can implement the standard from their end and know that they're selling into a fair sized market of compatible computers.
I don?t disagree with this, in fact it?s what I was stating, though I see I may not have been clear.
I want optical and copper ports to mesh well. I wondered about Apple?s 30-pin connector being able to do this since there are unused pin areas for FireWire.
Another point I was addressing is LightPeak?s protocol independence means that any cable will connect to it. This simply isn?t true. Besides needing the right port type, you also need to have an optical cable, or a convertor box between optical and copper.
As for LP being addd to USB-A port interfaces on PCs, this would be ideal as USB-A supports all USB speeds already and it?s the most common port type. Add in my previous comment about Apple?s 30-pin connector and you have a seamless upgrade cycle between IDevices and Mac/Win-PCs that support LP transfers or USB copper over the same cable when one of these doesn?t support optical.
The only contention is that is LP being added to the USB port interface. Aren?t there costs for using USB and why would this now be USB port interface ?piggybacking? on LP when it?s LP ?piggybacking? on USB?s port interface. Finally, we still haven?t seen anything to say with port interface this is or if it can viable be done on a large scale. In fact, the details on LightPeak are still very limited for a tech people have been expecting to be in the next new Mac.
Aren?t there costs for using USB and why would this now be USB port interface ?piggybacking? on LP when it?s LP ?piggybacking? on USB?s port interface.
Light Peak couldn't replace USB so they have to put USB ports on anyway. No sense in adding dedicated LP ports if they can merge them with USB and save space. The issue with needing a converter box shouldn't be a big problem. For laptop users it will be a great docking solution as you can have a RAID system, external optical, networking, displays etc all connected with a single plug.
If you were capturing FW out in the field, it would be an issue but a converter box might be portable enough and run off USB power. They'll have thought of the workflow issues before making the move. People are going tapeless anyway so FW is kinda dead for anything except live capture anyway.
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Finally, we still haven?t seen anything to say with port interface this is or if it can viable be done on a large scale. In fact, the details on LightPeak are still very limited for a tech people have been expecting to be in the next new Mac.
It's already in some Mac model so I think it's ok to expect it at some point:
It may not be ready for new Macs in January but if Apple redesigns the MBP, they will make it thinner and they can only do that by removing ethernet and FW800 and they can only do that if they replace them with LP.
I'm thinking February might be a more realistic upgrade time for the MBP given that the new Intel SSD won't arrive until February. That may of course be just the mass production versions. Apple use Toshiba NAND just now in their SSD parts but Intel will get to 25nm before them so they could switch over.
Apple has made their stance. They are unlikely to jump into the whole blu- ray thing at this point. Not after all the work to develop the iTunes store
It isn't just the iTunes store, for many people there are to many negatives associated with Blu-Ray.
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Now what they might do, and could already be doing, is work on new codecs that would allow for true blu-ray video and audio quality with out a major increase in file size.
There is no free lunch though we could hope. I recently downloads a 6.4 GB movie from iTunes and it does take its time.
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They might also be working on improving the whole extras package and encouraging studios to make extras and have them match the physical disk packages.
Which would be totally stupid in my mind. All that crap that comes with a Blu-Ray disk is one of the reasons I hate the format so much. When I grab a disk and slip it into a machine the only thing I care about is the movie and having that movie run without a bunch of crap menus and levels of distraction.
That is one nice thing about iTunes, just select your choice of entertainment and go.
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Perhaps even to the point of trying to replicate some of the more sophisticated options in the near future
I really hope not. As stated above when I select a movie it is because I want to view it not be side tracked with a bunch of useless propaganda, fluff and advertisements.
Light peak seems to be ready. I see no reason for Apple to further delay its adoption, except of course if the chips are not yet fully functional. Since the connector seems to be minute, and the removal of the optical drive likely, we could expect the next generation to have both USB 3 for legacy peripherals AND Light peak for future high bandwidth ones.
As I've said before the Macs will get USB3 when viable chipsets exist from either AMD or Intel.
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On the software side, I expect also Lion to be the first MacOS release to be built exclusively with Clang/LLVM compiler,
This is very likely. Mainly because Apple has rejected the new GPL license.
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and that would mean*? if the published figures are correct*? a good boost to the overall performance even with no processor upgrade,
CLANG and LLVM are fast at generating code, they do not always win against GCC. In fact it is pretty much a performance wash with GCC really kicking ass at times with respect to CLANG
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LLVM being quite more efficient than GCC (especially an old release like 4.2, the last one officially useable by Apple software teams) at generating optimized code.
The fact that Apple is stuck at GCC 4.2 means that a transition has to happen soon. Lion might be a good place to do so and at the same time flush out a lot of historical API's.
Well, it does have nice quad i7s but at the 45w dissipation slot, not at 35w where Apple's current procs sit. That said, if they kill the optical drive they could have the cooling and battery for the extra proc power, maybe as a CTO
Remember that 45 watts is for a CPU, GPU and memory controller. It is very possible that net power will be lower. The problem is that all that power is now in a point area so that heat removal becomes a more serious issue.
What I'm trying to say is that you can't look at chip power and arrive at system power.
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/doubt it though
//waiting for a quad to replace my '07 core 2
///sept/oct 2011 with ivy bridge probably
It will be interesting so see what Apple delivers. I'd like to have a pretty stiff upgrade over my early 2008 MBP. One item on the check off list would be quad cores. As long as the machine runs though I can get buy another year, besides I'm holding out for an iPad.
I came across this and thought this would truly make Mac Lion, king of the computer jungle. Mac 3D Display Patent. It would be so cool to have a 3D display on a macbook Pro and no glasses.
Remember that 45 watts is for a CPU, GPU and memory controller. It is very possible that net power will be lower. The problem is that all that power is now in a point area so that heat removal becomes a more serious issue.
What I'm trying to say is that you can't look at chip power and arrive at system power.
True, though in any system using i7s in the next iteration you're talking upper end, which means discrete GPUs. Still, I hope you're right, maybe we'll see a quad early 2011...
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It will be interesting so see what Apple delivers. I'd like to have a pretty stiff upgrade over my early 2008 MBP. One item on the check off list would be quad cores. As long as the machine runs though I can get buy another year, besides I'm holding out for an iPad.
I've been thinking about an iPad too, what stops me every time is I *want* one, but I can't come up with any reason why I *need* one.
Given that I can't *quite* justify the $500 to myself, no matter how much I try :-p
True, though in any system using i7s in the next iteration you're talking upper end, which means discrete GPUs. Still, I hope you're right, maybe we'll see a quad early 2011...
I'm not sure what I will do for my next system upgrade. At one time my only concern was replacing my laptop but now we gave more options. These options mean that going back to the performance of a desktop machine doesn't mean we give up on our portable needs.
In any event I really don't think anything is written in stone with respect to Sandy Bridge processors. The big rumor is that Intel intends to be very aggressive in pricing so a machine with a quad core without a discrete GPU is very possible. The only real concern I see is the issue of that point load. To that end maybe Apple will drop the clock rate a couple of hundred MHz tO lower power. In something like the 13" MBP I'd prefer four cores to having the ultimate clock rate.
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I've been thinking about an iPad too, what stops me every time is I *want* one, but I can't come up with any reason why I *need* one.
Well I don't need the current one as I consider it to be to much of a rev one release. Given that the rev one issues get fixed I could see myself looking into an iPad and would be strongly driven to a smaller model. It would be a case of the iPad being an upgrade over how I use my iPhone now with one extension. That extra use would be for use as a reader of magazines and PDFs. It would also make e-Mail and web browsing a bit easier on the go. The big question in my mind is would I be willing to keep it with me constantly like an iPhone. Plus I'd still would need that laptop from time to time.
This is actually a tough cookie to crack. In many cases I'm convinced that a slightly larger iPhone would be a better choice but of course Apple doesn't have one.
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Given that I can't *quite* justify the $500 to myself, no matter how much I try :-p
Yeah I understand 100%. The big disappointment I've had with the Mac Airs is with the lack of 3G which I consider to be very important these days. As the iPad and the suite of software apps available on app store matures though it becomes a device that is better suited to many potential users mobile needs.
Can we expect the Mini to get Sandy bridge in 2011 as well? That would make me all wobbly inside.
A few years ago AI was predicting the imminent demise of the mini. Since then the mini has gotten a good bit of love from Apple so I would expect a 2011 update for the mini. Probably around the time the base macbook gets a rev so Apple can move away from C2D except for the MBAs.
The prices are quite high for SSD.Why does everyone kneed a 500 SSD?
Because our computers don't have slots for a 16GB SSD to put the OS and some applications on, forcing us to completely swap out our old hard drives, necessitating a much larger capacity.
The prices are quite high for SSD.Why does everyone kneed a 500 SSD?
I would think that that would be pretty obvious.
As someone has already pointed out you have the problem on laptops and many of Apples desktops of having only one drive easily installed. This means that everything has to go on the SSD. A better solution is to remove the CD drive and stick a magnetic drive in there and run an SSD form the normal drive bay. The problem is you need to be willing to give up the optical drive since not everyone is willing to do that you are back to needing a big SSD.
Currently I struggle with an old MBP that runs a 200GB internal drive. That I have to supplement with an external 1TB drive, even then the stuff I need on the local drive means that there is very little free room there. So just basic requirements outside of media storage now require more that 200GB.
Obviously this depends upon the user but install a few apps a a development environment or two and your drive ends up stuffed. I'm actually shocked at the number of people that even bring up the question of why, it should be pretty obvious why.
I agree with everything that you said EXCEPT this one. Apple has not Made their stance. They simply haven't done it yet. They CANNOT ignore BluRay forever if they want to continue to be a Major player in Professional software (like Final Cut). I believe delaying BluRay is their stance, but I don't think they can afford NOT to include it at some point, at least as a BTO option. I would agree with you if Steve Jobs would say. "Apple has NO plans to include BluRay at any point in the future". Then and Only then would I say that they've made their stance. I believe Steve would have NO problem saying that if that were his stance but he has not said that. He has said it about other technologies (ie.. Flash).
Apple Does this thing were the include ALMOST everything you want in a product, but they hold out for the next few releases to give you more. It keeps you coming back. Can we say iPad camera? It's all about marketing. Steve knows that BluRay AND iTunes can live happy together Side by side. What I would love to see is the ability to import directly into iTunes (should be renamed to iMedia but I don't think they can call it that).
I agree with everything that you said EXCEPT this one. Apple has not Made their stance. They simply haven't done it yet. They CANNOT ignore BluRay forever if they want to continue to be a Major player in Professional software (like Final Cut).
Looking at the state of iDVD and DVD Studio Pro I have to think they simply aren?t going to address optical media ever again. Sure, Blu-ray will be the best HEC format but how much would Apple benefit from this that it would be viable their languishing app in FInal Cut Studio.
Even if they do update FInal Cut Studio that doesn?t mean that Apple would have to add Blu-ray drives to Macs. Most of their business is notebooks that currently use 9.5mm ODDs. These cost $500 and up as BTO options from other vendors. I can?t see this coming to Mac notebooks at all, and that?s a big deal.
Remember that Apple?s goal is to sell HW and all the code they makes pushes toward that goal, so making a way to put the user?s eyeballs on some other vendors Blu-ray drive on your HEC isn?t a good objective for Apple.
The prices are quite high for SSD.Why does everyone kneed a 500 SSD?
SSD benefits all read/write so if you are a photographer and need to open/save large images quickly or if you edit film and duplicate large clips, a large SSD is a good thing. For the boost to application launch and OS boot, a small SSD is ok but is just a holdover until we replace HDD altogether.
I really hope they drop the price considerably with the 25nm batch so the transition can really get moving. Even $1 per GB is expensive compared to $0.1 per GB for HDD but is the threshold where it will offer the standard sizes in entry machines at an affordable price.
Apple are still at the $2-3 per GB rate with their Toshiba SSD chips and Toshiba won't go 25nm until later in 2011 so that may have implications for the MBP refresh.
I agree with everything that you said EXCEPT this one. Apple has not Made their stance. They simply haven't done it yet. They CANNOT ignore BluRay forever if they want to continue to be a Major player in Professional software (like Final Cut).
Are professionals actually using Blu-Ray to that extent? Besides I would not be surprised to see Apple tell professionals to kiss off because they really have no desire to screw up their OS just to satisfy the demands of the Blu-Ray group.
The big problem with Blu-Ray isn't the recording technology but rather all the crud that comes with being compliant with the licensing requirements. It is very reasonable and rational for Apple to keep Blu-Ray out of Macs until the implementation requirements are more reasonable.
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I believe delaying BluRay is their stance, but I don't think they can afford NOT to include it at some point, at least as a BTO option.
They could build in a Blu-Ray drive into a Mac Pro tomorrow but won't because it requires extensive modifications to the OS. This is a big problem as the DRM requirements are extensive.
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I would agree with you if Steve Jobs would say. "Apple has NO plans to include BluRay at any point in the future". Then and Only then would I say that they've made their stance. I believe Steve would have NO problem saying that if that were his stance but he has not said that. He has said it about other technologies (ie.. Flash).
Steveo hasn't ruled out Blu-Ray by any means. It is however currently an unlikely play, especially in Laptops. He has been able to use his influence to get the licensing authority to significantly redo their terms and requirements but I don't think it is enough.
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Apple Does this thing were the include ALMOST everything you want in a product, but they hold out for the next few releases to give you more. It keeps you coming back. Can we say iPad camera?
Can we say you don't know what you are talking about?
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It's all about marketing. Steve knows that BluRay AND iTunes can live happy together Side by side. What I would love to see is the ability to import directly into iTunes (should be renamed to iMedia but I don't think they can call it that).
Well it is about marketing and frankly Blu-Ray has not been a marketing success. Rather it is an over priced niche product that has never took off.
It is funny that you should post this because I was just very recently in one of the big media retail stores in the area. WE are taking thousands of square feet of retail space devoted to optical media, be it music of video. Ask me how much of that space was devoted to Blu-Ray? A rough guess was a couple of hundred square feet, if that. Worst there where very few interesting tittles. You can whine all you want about Blu-Ray but the fact remains that it is dead in the mainstream marketplace, and also in the specialty markets.
The lack of media is one issue but the high prices are even more significant. If they had addressed pricing they might have had a chance but there is little to offer in a Blu-Ray disk considering the delta in price. When we come out of recession there is a very good chance that we will have eclipsed the optical media epoch and Blu-Ray will then be found in the antique stores along side the old tubular recordings. You may laugh at that but it would only take a little initiative to do so.
I think we should plan on seeing bigger changes than for form factors we are used to. Like an iMac that slides into a horizontal position in order to multitouch.
I think Lion and 2011 are going to be the biggest year for the mac since the intel transition.
The October event was purposely coy, because Apple is finally going to have some sort of multitouch screen.
Because our computers don't have slots for a 16GB SSD to put the OS and some applications on, forcing us to completely swap out our old hard drives, necessitating a much larger capacity.
Assuming Seagate gets/got all of the bugs out of the momentus XT hybrid then you could have the equivalent of a SSD with a larger cap HDD in the place of an older HDD in 2011.
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PC??? Which PC even gives you 4 hrs of 'real' battery life?
Plenty. PCs will also be the first to offer Blu-ray, Sandy Bridge chips, the 460M, HDMI, and whatever a 1080p full HDD is.
I disagree-- I think if Intel bothered to implement a combo USB 3/LP port it's because they see that as the best way to drive adoption. All those millions of PC buyers will pick up the new computer with "USB 3" and have the stealth LP port waiting to go. I assuming Intel will be baking the format into their chip sets, so any manufacture of peripheral equipment that wants to use transfer speed as a selling point can implement the standard from their end and know that they're selling into a fair sized market of compatible computers.
I don?t disagree with this, in fact it?s what I was stating, though I see I may not have been clear.
I want optical and copper ports to mesh well. I wondered about Apple?s 30-pin connector being able to do this since there are unused pin areas for FireWire.
Another point I was addressing is LightPeak?s protocol independence means that any cable will connect to it. This simply isn?t true. Besides needing the right port type, you also need to have an optical cable, or a convertor box between optical and copper.
As for LP being addd to USB-A port interfaces on PCs, this would be ideal as USB-A supports all USB speeds already and it?s the most common port type. Add in my previous comment about Apple?s 30-pin connector and you have a seamless upgrade cycle between IDevices and Mac/Win-PCs that support LP transfers or USB copper over the same cable when one of these doesn?t support optical.
The only contention is that is LP being added to the USB port interface. Aren?t there costs for using USB and why would this now be USB port interface ?piggybacking? on LP when it?s LP ?piggybacking? on USB?s port interface. Finally, we still haven?t seen anything to say with port interface this is or if it can viable be done on a large scale. In fact, the details on LightPeak are still very limited for a tech people have been expecting to be in the next new Mac.
Aren?t there costs for using USB and why would this now be USB port interface ?piggybacking? on LP when it?s LP ?piggybacking? on USB?s port interface.
Light Peak couldn't replace USB so they have to put USB ports on anyway. No sense in adding dedicated LP ports if they can merge them with USB and save space. The issue with needing a converter box shouldn't be a big problem. For laptop users it will be a great docking solution as you can have a RAID system, external optical, networking, displays etc all connected with a single plug.
If you were capturing FW out in the field, it would be an issue but a converter box might be portable enough and run off USB power. They'll have thought of the workflow issues before making the move. People are going tapeless anyway so FW is kinda dead for anything except live capture anyway.
Finally, we still haven?t seen anything to say with port interface this is or if it can viable be done on a large scale. In fact, the details on LightPeak are still very limited for a tech people have been expecting to be in the next new Mac.
It's already in some Mac model so I think it's ok to expect it at some point:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/24/v...le-transferri/
It may not be ready for new Macs in January but if Apple redesigns the MBP, they will make it thinner and they can only do that by removing ethernet and FW800 and they can only do that if they replace them with LP.
I'm thinking February might be a more realistic upgrade time for the MBP given that the new Intel SSD won't arrive until February. That may of course be just the mass production versions. Apple use Toshiba NAND just now in their SSD parts but Intel will get to 25nm before them so they could switch over.
Nope.
Exactly one big Nope
Apple has made their stance. They are unlikely to jump into the whole blu- ray thing at this point. Not after all the work to develop the iTunes store
It isn't just the iTunes store, for many people there are to many negatives associated with Blu-Ray.
Now what they might do, and could already be doing, is work on new codecs that would allow for true blu-ray video and audio quality with out a major increase in file size.
There is no free lunch though we could hope. I recently downloads a 6.4 GB movie from iTunes and it does take its time.
They might also be working on improving the whole extras package and encouraging studios to make extras and have them match the physical disk packages.
Which would be totally stupid in my mind. All that crap that comes with a Blu-Ray disk is one of the reasons I hate the format so much. When I grab a disk and slip it into a machine the only thing I care about is the movie and having that movie run without a bunch of crap menus and levels of distraction.
That is one nice thing about iTunes, just select your choice of entertainment and go.
Perhaps even to the point of trying to replicate some of the more sophisticated options in the near future
I really hope not. As stated above when I select a movie it is because I want to view it not be side tracked with a bunch of useless propaganda, fluff and advertisements.
Light peak seems to be ready. I see no reason for Apple to further delay its adoption, except of course if the chips are not yet fully functional. Since the connector seems to be minute, and the removal of the optical drive likely, we could expect the next generation to have both USB 3 for legacy peripherals AND Light peak for future high bandwidth ones.
As I've said before the Macs will get USB3 when viable chipsets exist from either AMD or Intel.
On the software side, I expect also Lion to be the first MacOS release to be built exclusively with Clang/LLVM compiler,
This is very likely. Mainly because Apple has rejected the new GPL license.
and that would mean*? if the published figures are correct*? a good boost to the overall performance even with no processor upgrade,
CLANG and LLVM are fast at generating code, they do not always win against GCC. In fact it is pretty much a performance wash with GCC really kicking ass at times with respect to CLANG
LLVM being quite more efficient than GCC (especially an old release like 4.2, the last one officially useable by Apple software teams) at generating optimized code.
The fact that Apple is stuck at GCC 4.2 means that a transition has to happen soon. Lion might be a good place to do so and at the same time flush out a lot of historical API's.
Well, it does have nice quad i7s but at the 45w dissipation slot, not at 35w where Apple's current procs sit. That said, if they kill the optical drive they could have the cooling and battery for the extra proc power, maybe as a CTO
Remember that 45 watts is for a CPU, GPU and memory controller. It is very possible that net power will be lower. The problem is that all that power is now in a point area so that heat removal becomes a more serious issue.
What I'm trying to say is that you can't look at chip power and arrive at system power.
/doubt it though
//waiting for a quad to replace my '07 core 2
///sept/oct 2011 with ivy bridge probably
It will be interesting so see what Apple delivers. I'd like to have a pretty stiff upgrade over my early 2008 MBP. One item on the check off list would be quad cores. As long as the machine runs though I can get buy another year, besides I'm holding out for an iPad.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12...ple_3d_patent/
I think this tops a faster processor any day as big news.
Remember that 45 watts is for a CPU, GPU and memory controller. It is very possible that net power will be lower. The problem is that all that power is now in a point area so that heat removal becomes a more serious issue.
What I'm trying to say is that you can't look at chip power and arrive at system power.
True, though in any system using i7s in the next iteration you're talking upper end, which means discrete GPUs. Still, I hope you're right, maybe we'll see a quad early 2011...
It will be interesting so see what Apple delivers. I'd like to have a pretty stiff upgrade over my early 2008 MBP. One item on the check off list would be quad cores. As long as the machine runs though I can get buy another year, besides I'm holding out for an iPad.
I've been thinking about an iPad too, what stops me every time is I *want* one, but I can't come up with any reason why I *need* one.
Given that I can't *quite* justify the $500 to myself, no matter how much I try :-p
True, though in any system using i7s in the next iteration you're talking upper end, which means discrete GPUs. Still, I hope you're right, maybe we'll see a quad early 2011...
I'm not sure what I will do for my next system upgrade. At one time my only concern was replacing my laptop but now we gave more options. These options mean that going back to the performance of a desktop machine doesn't mean we give up on our portable needs.
In any event I really don't think anything is written in stone with respect to Sandy Bridge processors. The big rumor is that Intel intends to be very aggressive in pricing so a machine with a quad core without a discrete GPU is very possible. The only real concern I see is the issue of that point load. To that end maybe Apple will drop the clock rate a couple of hundred MHz tO lower power. In something like the 13" MBP I'd prefer four cores to having the ultimate clock rate.
I've been thinking about an iPad too, what stops me every time is I *want* one, but I can't come up with any reason why I *need* one.
Well I don't need the current one as I consider it to be to much of a rev one release. Given that the rev one issues get fixed I could see myself looking into an iPad and would be strongly driven to a smaller model. It would be a case of the iPad being an upgrade over how I use my iPhone now with one extension. That extra use would be for use as a reader of magazines and PDFs. It would also make e-Mail and web browsing a bit easier on the go. The big question in my mind is would I be willing to keep it with me constantly like an iPhone. Plus I'd still would need that laptop from time to time.
This is actually a tough cookie to crack. In many cases I'm convinced that a slightly larger iPhone would be a better choice but of course Apple doesn't have one.
Given that I can't *quite* justify the $500 to myself, no matter how much I try :-p
Yeah I understand 100%. The big disappointment I've had with the Mac Airs is with the lack of 3G which I consider to be very important these days. As the iPad and the suite of software apps available on app store matures though it becomes a device that is better suited to many potential users mobile needs.
Why? Everyone needs at least 500GB and the prices are low enough that 500GB+ SSDs are easily had?
The prices are quite high for SSD.Why does everyone kneed a 500 SSD?
Can we expect the Mini to get Sandy bridge in 2011 as well? That would make me all wobbly inside.
A few years ago AI was predicting the imminent demise of the mini. Since then the mini has gotten a good bit of love from Apple so I would expect a 2011 update for the mini. Probably around the time the base macbook gets a rev so Apple can move away from C2D except for the MBAs.
The prices are quite high for SSD.Why does everyone kneed a 500 SSD?
Because our computers don't have slots for a 16GB SSD to put the OS and some applications on, forcing us to completely swap out our old hard drives, necessitating a much larger capacity.
The prices are quite high for SSD.Why does everyone kneed a 500 SSD?
I would think that that would be pretty obvious.
As someone has already pointed out you have the problem on laptops and many of Apples desktops of having only one drive easily installed. This means that everything has to go on the SSD. A better solution is to remove the CD drive and stick a magnetic drive in there and run an SSD form the normal drive bay. The problem is you need to be willing to give up the optical drive since not everyone is willing to do that you are back to needing a big SSD.
Currently I struggle with an old MBP that runs a 200GB internal drive. That I have to supplement with an external 1TB drive, even then the stuff I need on the local drive means that there is very little free room there. So just basic requirements outside of media storage now require more that 200GB.
Obviously this depends upon the user but install a few apps a a development environment or two and your drive ends up stuffed. I'm actually shocked at the number of people that even bring up the question of why, it should be pretty obvious why.
Nope.
Apple has made their stance.
I agree with everything that you said EXCEPT this one. Apple has not Made their stance. They simply haven't done it yet. They CANNOT ignore BluRay forever if they want to continue to be a Major player in Professional software (like Final Cut). I believe delaying BluRay is their stance, but I don't think they can afford NOT to include it at some point, at least as a BTO option. I would agree with you if Steve Jobs would say. "Apple has NO plans to include BluRay at any point in the future". Then and Only then would I say that they've made their stance. I believe Steve would have NO problem saying that if that were his stance but he has not said that. He has said it about other technologies (ie.. Flash).
Apple Does this thing were the include ALMOST everything you want in a product, but they hold out for the next few releases to give you more. It keeps you coming back. Can we say iPad camera? It's all about marketing. Steve knows that BluRay AND iTunes can live happy together Side by side. What I would love to see is the ability to import directly into iTunes (should be renamed to iMedia but I don't think they can call it that).
I agree with everything that you said EXCEPT this one. Apple has not Made their stance. They simply haven't done it yet. They CANNOT ignore BluRay forever if they want to continue to be a Major player in Professional software (like Final Cut).
Looking at the state of iDVD and DVD Studio Pro I have to think they simply aren?t going to address optical media ever again. Sure, Blu-ray will be the best HEC format but how much would Apple benefit from this that it would be viable their languishing app in FInal Cut Studio.
Even if they do update FInal Cut Studio that doesn?t mean that Apple would have to add Blu-ray drives to Macs. Most of their business is notebooks that currently use 9.5mm ODDs. These cost $500 and up as BTO options from other vendors. I can?t see this coming to Mac notebooks at all, and that?s a big deal.
Remember that Apple?s goal is to sell HW and all the code they makes pushes toward that goal, so making a way to put the user?s eyeballs on some other vendors Blu-ray drive on your HEC isn?t a good objective for Apple.
The prices are quite high for SSD.Why does everyone kneed a 500 SSD?
SSD benefits all read/write so if you are a photographer and need to open/save large images quickly or if you edit film and duplicate large clips, a large SSD is a good thing. For the boost to application launch and OS boot, a small SSD is ok but is just a holdover until we replace HDD altogether.
I really hope they drop the price considerably with the 25nm batch so the transition can really get moving. Even $1 per GB is expensive compared to $0.1 per GB for HDD but is the threshold where it will offer the standard sizes in entry machines at an affordable price.
Apple are still at the $2-3 per GB rate with their Toshiba SSD chips and Toshiba won't go 25nm until later in 2011 so that may have implications for the MBP refresh.
I agree with everything that you said EXCEPT this one. Apple has not Made their stance. They simply haven't done it yet. They CANNOT ignore BluRay forever if they want to continue to be a Major player in Professional software (like Final Cut).
Are professionals actually using Blu-Ray to that extent? Besides I would not be surprised to see Apple tell professionals to kiss off because they really have no desire to screw up their OS just to satisfy the demands of the Blu-Ray group.
The big problem with Blu-Ray isn't the recording technology but rather all the crud that comes with being compliant with the licensing requirements. It is very reasonable and rational for Apple to keep Blu-Ray out of Macs until the implementation requirements are more reasonable.
I believe delaying BluRay is their stance, but I don't think they can afford NOT to include it at some point, at least as a BTO option.
They could build in a Blu-Ray drive into a Mac Pro tomorrow but won't because it requires extensive modifications to the OS. This is a big problem as the DRM requirements are extensive.
I would agree with you if Steve Jobs would say. "Apple has NO plans to include BluRay at any point in the future". Then and Only then would I say that they've made their stance. I believe Steve would have NO problem saying that if that were his stance but he has not said that. He has said it about other technologies (ie.. Flash).
Steveo hasn't ruled out Blu-Ray by any means. It is however currently an unlikely play, especially in Laptops. He has been able to use his influence to get the licensing authority to significantly redo their terms and requirements but I don't think it is enough.
Apple Does this thing were the include ALMOST everything you want in a product, but they hold out for the next few releases to give you more. It keeps you coming back. Can we say iPad camera?
Can we say you don't know what you are talking about?
It's all about marketing. Steve knows that BluRay AND iTunes can live happy together Side by side. What I would love to see is the ability to import directly into iTunes (should be renamed to iMedia but I don't think they can call it that).
Well it is about marketing and frankly Blu-Ray has not been a marketing success. Rather it is an over priced niche product that has never took off.
It is funny that you should post this because I was just very recently in one of the big media retail stores in the area. WE are taking thousands of square feet of retail space devoted to optical media, be it music of video. Ask me how much of that space was devoted to Blu-Ray? A rough guess was a couple of hundred square feet, if that. Worst there where very few interesting tittles. You can whine all you want about Blu-Ray but the fact remains that it is dead in the mainstream marketplace, and also in the specialty markets.
The lack of media is one issue but the high prices are even more significant. If they had addressed pricing they might have had a chance but there is little to offer in a Blu-Ray disk considering the delta in price. When we come out of recession there is a very good chance that we will have eclipsed the optical media epoch and Blu-Ray will then be found in the antique stores along side the old tubular recordings. You may laugh at that but it would only take a little initiative to do so.
I think Lion and 2011 are going to be the biggest year for the mac since the intel transition.
The October event was purposely coy, because Apple is finally going to have some sort of multitouch screen.
I'm not sayin'....I'm just saying.[
Because our computers don't have slots for a 16GB SSD to put the OS and some applications on, forcing us to completely swap out our old hard drives, necessitating a much larger capacity.
Assuming Seagate gets/got all of the bugs out of the momentus XT hybrid then you could have the equivalent of a SSD with a larger cap HDD in the place of an older HDD in 2011.