As the computing industry evolves, it is only natural that our vocabulary will evolve as well.
And because everyone loves car analogies... consider this. The term "car" meant something entirely different before cars were invented. Same thing with "truck". The word truck is a good example. It shows the futility of trying to make everyone use a single definition for a word.
In some conversations we will find it useful to distinguish between tablets and desktops/laptops. In other conversations, it will be useful to lump all computers together.
Meanwhile, feel free to park your pick-up truck in the car parking lot rather than the truck parking lot.
And you share over 98% of your DNA with a chimp. Distinctions do matter.
Listing similarities doesn't make the iPad a "PC". That doesn't mean the iPad is inherently better or worse than a PC, just different.
I think as the world moves further toward mobile computing the "PC sales" charts will become irrelevant beyond looking at shipments of "PC components". One could even argue that we have already reached that point.
PC = Personal Computer - a term that has certainly evolved over the years. Some would argue that the iPad is the most Personal Computer ever made. There were two primary groups of personal computers - desktop and laptop. Then netbook was added. Now add tablet to the list.
It's absurd to think that a new class of computers that is rapidly displacing netbooks in sales and functionality isn't also a personal computer. And it's also absurd to try to lump the iPad in with ATMs and Microwaves because all 3 have microprocessors and suggest it's not a personal computer because those aren't. You can't send your kid to school with a microwave and expect them to use it do their homework. You can send them to school with an iPad and expect it.
todays ipod- touches have more computer power inside them than Apollo 13 space craft had .
So say what you will. Apple devices are selling like hot cakes at top selling price. Blackberry now offer's 2 for 1 . Used refurbed iphones sell for over $200.
THE iPAD IS NOT A PC !!!!!! It is just that simple.
Hehe ... back in the day, prior to PCs, when we had all but lost "the debate" .... our "last resort" argument" was: "Yeah? ... well your mother wears army boots."
Thanks for "updating" it to: "THE iPAD IS NOT A PC !!!!!! It is just that simple." .... brilliant !! ...NOT!
other than programming, which most people don't do, what does a PC do that you can't do on an iPad? And don't list things that would also mean a MacBook Air isn't a PC.
There's no point arguing with trolls like that. They insist that unless the system has a quad core i7 processor, 8 GB of RAM and a Radeon HD 6970 video card that it's not a real PC.
Just like the people who argue that a Mac Mini isn't a 'real' server because it doesn't have RAID 6, redundant power supplies, and ECC RAM.
Computers are defined by what they're used for - not what's inside. And when you look at usage, the iPad is very much a PC. It won't do EVERYTHING that you can do on a modern PC, but it certainly will do the vast majority - certainly enough to classify them together.
I stopped carrying my MacBook Pro for a while on short business trips, relying solely on my iPad. It was a perfectly useful substitute for the things I was doing. The same is true of a LOT of other people.
other than programming, which most people don't do, what does a PC do that you can't do on an iPad? And don't list things that would also mean a MacBook Air isn't a PC.
What does a PC do that an IPad doesn't? It holds down the floor in my office very well.
In all seriousness though, perhaps it isn't a PC much like a touch isn't an Ipod and a Iphone isn't a phone. All of them have that functionality but they are much much more.
Technically, a traditional PC can do a lot more than small touch-based device, the question is "what does the average user do with a traditional PC that they can?t do with an iPad??
this cannot be true... didn't you hear that the iPad isn't a computer and cannot be counted as computer sells... because if it did, it would make Apple the number 1 Computer seller in the US and number 3 worldwide, so none of the companies that keep track of this stuff will count it as a computer... so why can they count it this way?
Its true, look under the section "toys" and you see an increase.
There's no point arguing with trolls like that. They insist that unless the system has a quad core i7 processor, 8 GB of RAM and a Radeon HD 6970 video card that it's not a real PC.
Just like the people who argue that a Mac Mini isn't a 'real' server because it doesn't have RAID 6, redundant power supplies, and ECC RAM.
Computers are defined by what they're used for - not what's inside. And when you look at usage, the iPad is very much a PC. It won't do EVERYTHING that you can do on a modern PC, but it certainly will do the vast majority - certainly enough to classify them together.
I stopped carrying my MacBook Pro for a while on short business trips, relying solely on my iPad. It was a perfectly useful substitute for the things I was doing. The same is true of a LOT of other people.
I say it will do the "majority" not the vast majority and even then so many of its functions are limited when it comes to creation.
And you share over 98% of your DNA with a chimp. Distinctions do matter.
Listing similarities doesn't make the iPad a "PC". That doesn't mean the iPad is inherently better or worse than a PC, just different.
I think as the world moves further toward mobile computing the "PC sales" charts will become irrelevant beyond looking at shipments of "PC components". One could even argue that we have already reached that point.
Listing even one trait that would disqualify it as a pc would have helped your argument a lot. In the case of the chimp it would be opposable thumbs.
I wonder where all those folks who dismissed iPad as '....it's just a big iPod Touch' are now.
Still with us, now trying to deny that the iPad is a Personal Computer. These small thinkers are distracting us from the big picture -- namely that Apple has redefined the computer industry from something anchored to the desk or the briefcase or the lap, to somrthing you hold in your hands, that is always with you and always on (or instantly on). To miss the implications of this shift is to miss the outlines of the next big 'industrial' revolution. It doesn't even have a name yet, so it's no wonder the PC conservatives can't see it.
Gruber links to a Facebook usage visualization that essentially maps this noetic revolution (there, I named it) happening right in front of us.
[QUOTE=dfiler;1771012]So your microwave is a computer and should be included in computer sales figures?
I would also consider those "programable" water systems... (think "lawn care") computers. They are labeled as a computer... they store information... have a microprocessor... but they are not personal computers.
Now.. what I think would be the more relevant and interesting question to ask everyone.. is this.
So your microwave is a computer and should be included in computer sales figures?
I would also consider those "programable" water systems... (think "lawn care") computers. They are labeled as a computer... they store information... have a microprocessor... but they are not personal computers.
Now.. what I think would be the more relevant and interesting question to ask everyone.. is this.
"What makes the iPad not a computer?"
I cant delete content, unless I plug it into a computer.
99% of computer peripherals cant be used with the iPad, because it does not have common computer ports (USB) and they just wont work if you try to use the Camera adapter.
They count the computers inside ATMs and cash registers as PC's too for marketshare, would you qualify those as PC's? I certainly wouldn't, yet they do. To me the iPad is more of a PC than they are, as evidenced by my post on this forum.
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Originally Posted by alandail
PC = Personal Computer - a term that has certainly evolved over the years. Some would argue that the iPad is the most Personal Computer ever made. There were two primary groups of personal computers - desktop and laptop. Then netbook was added. Now add tablet to the list.
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Originally Posted by MauiJoe
Listing even one trait that would disqualify it as a pc would have helped your argument a lot. In the case of the chimp it would be opposable thumbs.
It's not a case of functionality but one of terminology. The English language is peppered with words that have had their meaning evolve over the years. This is just another case.
It's like if Apple released a personal teleporter. It may provide the same function as a car, many people would see it as being better than a car, and there may be a desire to include it in the "car sales" charts. Especially if the haters started saying "you bought one of those. It's not even a car you know?!?"
However all those things put together wouldn't make it a car. It would still be a distinctly different and new device.
We might even find as other companies start releasing their own teleporters and people start to shift away from using cars that the "car sales" chart is no longer relevant, and we need a new chart that includes something like "devices that move us from point A to B".
Same thing goes for iPad. It's not a PC. It's something new. As people move toward mobile devices the "PC sales" chart is less relevant and the "devices we use to access the WWW" chart become more important.
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And because everyone loves car analogies... consider this. The term "car" meant something entirely different before cars were invented. Same thing with "truck". The word truck is a good example. It shows the futility of trying to make everyone use a single definition for a word.
In some conversations we will find it useful to distinguish between tablets and desktops/laptops. In other conversations, it will be useful to lump all computers together.
Meanwhile, feel free to park your pick-up truck in the car parking lot rather than the truck parking lot.
Computer:
an electronic device for storing and processing data, typically in binary form, according to instructions given to it in a variable program.
personal computer:
a microcomputer designed for use by one person at a time,
microcomputer:
a small computer that contains a microprocessor as its central processor.
No matter how you dice it up... the iPad is a computer... its a PC!
btw - you can develop on it -- and if Apple had opened it up a bit -- you would be able to compile using gcc.
And you share over 98% of your DNA with a chimp. Distinctions do matter.
Listing similarities doesn't make the iPad a "PC". That doesn't mean the iPad is inherently better or worse than a PC, just different.
I think as the world moves further toward mobile computing the "PC sales" charts will become irrelevant beyond looking at shipments of "PC components". One could even argue that we have already reached that point.
PC = Personal Computer - a term that has certainly evolved over the years. Some would argue that the iPad is the most Personal Computer ever made. There were two primary groups of personal computers - desktop and laptop. Then netbook was added. Now add tablet to the list.
It's absurd to think that a new class of computers that is rapidly displacing netbooks in sales and functionality isn't also a personal computer. And it's also absurd to try to lump the iPad in with ATMs and Microwaves because all 3 have microprocessors and suggest it's not a personal computer because those aren't. You can't send your kid to school with a microwave and expect them to use it do their homework. You can send them to school with an iPad and expect it.
Got to tired to read all the posts... but i can see that enough idiot(s) need a little 101.
Computer:
an electronic device for storing and processing data, typically in binary form, according to instructions given to it in a variable program.
personal computer:
a microcomputer designed for use by one person at a time,
microcomputer:
a small computer that contains a microprocessor as its central processor.
No matter how you dice it up... the iPad is a computer... its a PC!
btw - you can develop on it -- and if Apple had opened it up a bit -- you would be able to compile using gcc.
So your microwave is a computer and should be included in computer sales figures?
Hint: words have multiple definitions.
It's absurd to think that a new class of computers that is rapidly displacing netbooks in sales and functionality isn't also a personal computer.
Hint: Words have multiple definitions.
Depending on context, tablets may or may not be considered a PC.
So say what you will. Apple devices are selling like hot cakes at top selling price. Blackberry now offer's 2 for 1 . Used refurbed iphones sell for over $200.
Apple has sucked the life out of msft .
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THE iPAD IS NOT A PC !!!!!! It is just that simple.
Hehe ... back in the day, prior to PCs, when we had all but lost "the debate" .... our "last resort" argument" was: "Yeah? ... well your mother wears army boots."
Thanks for "updating" it to: "THE iPAD IS NOT A PC !!!!!! It is just that simple." .... brilliant !! ...NOT!
you can use it to
- browse the web
- read and write emails
- build spreadsheets
- write papers
- print
- multitask
- play games
- buy and run apps
- edit photos
- draw
- build and run presentations
- keep notes and to do lists
- play music
- watch movies
- remotely manage servers
you can also attach a keyboard.
other than programming, which most people don't do, what does a PC do that you can't do on an iPad? And don't list things that would also mean a MacBook Air isn't a PC.
There's no point arguing with trolls like that. They insist that unless the system has a quad core i7 processor, 8 GB of RAM and a Radeon HD 6970 video card that it's not a real PC.
Just like the people who argue that a Mac Mini isn't a 'real' server because it doesn't have RAID 6, redundant power supplies, and ECC RAM.
Computers are defined by what they're used for - not what's inside. And when you look at usage, the iPad is very much a PC. It won't do EVERYTHING that you can do on a modern PC, but it certainly will do the vast majority - certainly enough to classify them together.
I stopped carrying my MacBook Pro for a while on short business trips, relying solely on my iPad. It was a perfectly useful substitute for the things I was doing. The same is true of a LOT of other people.
I wonder where all those folks who dismissed iPad as '....it's just a big iPod Touch' are now.
They're off playing with their big Galaxy S.
Not a very good device. Would have been good a few years ago...
you can use it to
- browse the web
- read and write emails
- build spreadsheets
- write papers
- print
- multitask
- play games
- buy and run apps
- edit photos
- draw
- build and run presentations
- keep notes and to do lists
- play music
- watch movies
- remotely manage servers
you can also attach a keyboard.
other than programming, which most people don't do, what does a PC do that you can't do on an iPad? And don't list things that would also mean a MacBook Air isn't a PC.
What does a PC do that an IPad doesn't? It holds down the floor in my office very well.
In all seriousness though, perhaps it isn't a PC much like a touch isn't an Ipod and a Iphone isn't a phone. All of them have that functionality but they are much much more.
What does a PC do that an IPad doesn?t?
Technically, a traditional PC can do a lot more than small touch-based device, the question is "what does the average user do with a traditional PC that they can?t do with an iPad??
this cannot be true... didn't you hear that the iPad isn't a computer and cannot be counted as computer sells... because if it did, it would make Apple the number 1 Computer seller in the US and number 3 worldwide, so none of the companies that keep track of this stuff will count it as a computer... so why can they count it this way?
Its true, look under the section "toys" and you see an increase.
There's no point arguing with trolls like that. They insist that unless the system has a quad core i7 processor, 8 GB of RAM and a Radeon HD 6970 video card that it's not a real PC.
Just like the people who argue that a Mac Mini isn't a 'real' server because it doesn't have RAID 6, redundant power supplies, and ECC RAM.
Computers are defined by what they're used for - not what's inside. And when you look at usage, the iPad is very much a PC. It won't do EVERYTHING that you can do on a modern PC, but it certainly will do the vast majority - certainly enough to classify them together.
I stopped carrying my MacBook Pro for a while on short business trips, relying solely on my iPad. It was a perfectly useful substitute for the things I was doing. The same is true of a LOT of other people.
I say it will do the "majority" not the vast majority and even then so many of its functions are limited when it comes to creation.
And you share over 98% of your DNA with a chimp. Distinctions do matter.
Listing similarities doesn't make the iPad a "PC". That doesn't mean the iPad is inherently better or worse than a PC, just different.
I think as the world moves further toward mobile computing the "PC sales" charts will become irrelevant beyond looking at shipments of "PC components". One could even argue that we have already reached that point.
Listing even one trait that would disqualify it as a pc would have helped your argument a lot. In the case of the chimp it would be opposable thumbs.
I wonder where all those folks who dismissed iPad as '....it's just a big iPod Touch' are now.
Still with us, now trying to deny that the iPad is a Personal Computer. These small thinkers are distracting us from the big picture -- namely that Apple has redefined the computer industry from something anchored to the desk or the briefcase or the lap, to somrthing you hold in your hands, that is always with you and always on (or instantly on). To miss the implications of this shift is to miss the outlines of the next big 'industrial' revolution. It doesn't even have a name yet, so it's no wonder the PC conservatives can't see it.
Gruber links to a Facebook usage visualization that essentially maps this noetic revolution (there, I named it) happening right in front of us.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...14158417_n.jpg
I would also consider those "programable" water systems... (think "lawn care") computers. They are labeled as a computer... they store information... have a microprocessor... but they are not personal computers.
Now.. what I think would be the more relevant and interesting question to ask everyone.. is this.
"What makes the iPad not a computer?"
So your microwave is a computer and should be included in computer sales figures?
I would also consider those "programable" water systems... (think "lawn care") computers. They are labeled as a computer... they store information... have a microprocessor... but they are not personal computers.
Now.. what I think would be the more relevant and interesting question to ask everyone.. is this.
"What makes the iPad not a computer?"
I cant delete content, unless I plug it into a computer.
99% of computer peripherals cant be used with the iPad, because it does not have common computer ports (USB) and they just wont work if you try to use the Camera adapter.
They count the computers inside ATMs and cash registers as PC's too for marketshare, would you qualify those as PC's? I certainly wouldn't, yet they do. To me the iPad is more of a PC than they are, as evidenced by my post on this forum.
PC = Personal Computer - a term that has certainly evolved over the years. Some would argue that the iPad is the most Personal Computer ever made. There were two primary groups of personal computers - desktop and laptop. Then netbook was added. Now add tablet to the list.
Listing even one trait that would disqualify it as a pc would have helped your argument a lot. In the case of the chimp it would be opposable thumbs.
It's not a case of functionality but one of terminology. The English language is peppered with words that have had their meaning evolve over the years. This is just another case.
It's like if Apple released a personal teleporter. It may provide the same function as a car, many people would see it as being better than a car, and there may be a desire to include it in the "car sales" charts. Especially if the haters started saying "you bought one of those. It's not even a car you know?!?"
However all those things put together wouldn't make it a car. It would still be a distinctly different and new device.
We might even find as other companies start releasing their own teleporters and people start to shift away from using cars that the "car sales" chart is no longer relevant, and we need a new chart that includes something like "devices that move us from point A to B".
Same thing goes for iPad. It's not a PC. It's something new. As people move toward mobile devices the "PC sales" chart is less relevant and the "devices we use to access the WWW" chart become more important.