Just a thought, but it's quite possible that the iBooks programmers haven't got a clue, and they just added the 2X graphics to cover the possibility that the rumors are true.
Gruber touched on that believable scenario.
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But so what’s the deal with those double-resolution UI graphics in iBooks? I don’t know, but my guess is that it’s just the work of a UI designer thinking ahead. Sooner or later, the iPad will get a retina display, and I remain convinced that it will be exactly double the current resolution. (There are 2048 × 1536 iPad prototypes in Cupertino. They’re not the iPad 2, though.) Double-resolution graphics created now are double-resolution graphics that don’t have to be created under a tight deadline later, when such an iPad actually ships. (I suspect it’s an oversight that these graphics were actually included in the app bundle at this point.)
I think it makes more sense than many other possibilities I’ve heard. Especially when you compare it to iOS 4.3 having a camera-related images that are only 1024x768. I would think iOS for iPad devs would be more aware of the next iPad HW than the devs for iBooks.
That said, it doesn’t rule out Apple releasing both the 1024x768 display for cheaper, entry-level iPads and the double-resolution iPad for thoe who want the premium model. There is certainly a case to be made for that and the support for apps likely wouldn’t be an issue. The demand would be hugh enough to warrant devs updating their apps in fashion similiar to the iPhone 4, and for those who spend most of their time in iBooks, Safari and other native apps it would look brilliant. Of course, that ignores actual cost and performance needs of such a display.
PS: Ireland, why the HUGE font? We read your posts. You are not ignored.
Just a thought, but it's quite possible that the iBooks programmers haven't got a clue, and they just added the 2X graphics to cover the possibility that the rumors are true.
Also, they continually under-water equipment indoors in case there is a tsunami. Thats what I believe.
No. The iBooks rumour was started by the existence of this 2X graphic, and of course people in Apple don't code or design to external rumours. They can ask people.
I am dubious about the rumours, however nobody has adequately explained the iBooks2X. Certainly not Gruber ( I know! based on no information whatsoever and fixing no bug report in Radar I will design a 2X image off my own bat! even though it cant be tested unless I have a screen with double res and if I make a mistake an include that in the latest build it will cause a rumour which may harm sales of the exiting unit! Score!).
The guy who did this was asked to do it. Why, we don't know. COuld be an internal prototype, as to when it is released I don't know.
I might be that this new report only confirms that some of these sources are reading the Apple rumor sites, too. It might just be that they're human. In the old print days, this might count as independent confirmation. These days, it might just be the same report repeated by a lot of people, gathering steam without actually gathering evidence. We'll see soon enough. The faster processor is what I'm looking forward to (not because the iPad is slow but because, well, I'm a guy I'm I always want a faster processor)
I?m with everyone else on this: Not convinced, but really want this rumour to be true.
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That's me in a nutshell. Really hoping Gruber is wrong, as unlikely as it would be. Want it so that Apple shifts the goalposts almost completely beyond the reach of their competitors, but most of all want it for myself!
My reasoning tells me no -- but my intuition tells me yes!
3. The 2048x1536 display (when and if it comes) will be startling. It will permit changes to safari and many other apps. Things like viewing images side-by-side and at smaller size will be possible and beautiful. As others have noted, this approaches retina resolution when the iPad is held at a comfortable distance, so increases above this resolution won't add much. But getting to this resolution will be a quantum change. Bigger than the change to the retina display on the iphone ? which was huge.
I hope they don't use increased resolution as an excuse to shrink things. After I hit 40, my eyes started going to hell in a handbasket. Increased detail is okay. Just don't shrink things. 100dpi is starting to seem like "retina display" for me
I think a few people over the last couple of days have given us a few new ideas about what may actually be going on. Let's explore those a little closer.
I saw someone suggest yesterday that Apple might be calling their new iPad the iPad Pro. I also see today that a couple of you are suggesting that there might be two models coming out this year, an entry level model with improvements over last year and then a better model.
My question is, why not?
How many different iPods are available right now? Why wouldn't Apple introduce a Pro model with all the major upgrades being discussed at a higher price point while offering the "regular" upgraded model at last year's pricing?
Apple's current price line is $499, $599 and $699. Is it unreasonable to think they may now introduce a brand new product at the $799 and $899 price? The Mac Book air starts at $999. Apple will effectively fill all the price points they now have missing while introducing a much better iPad.
If price and price margins are the ONLY reason it can't exist, then why not simply make something way nicer than the current models for a $100 or $200 more.
Think Macbook and MacBook Pro and you get the idea.
Parents can buy $499 models for the kiddies and a $799 wi-fi Pro model for themselves.
It expands the market while making it even less possible for others to compete. Doesn't that make sense?
IPad2 and iPad Pro, BOTH coming your way this April...
I am dubious about the rumours, however nobody has adequately explained the iBooks2X. Certainly not Gruber ( I know! based on no information whatsoever and fixing no bug report in Radar I will design a 2X image off my own bat! even though it cant be tested unless I have a screen with double res and if I make a mistake an include that in the latest build it will cause a rumour which may harm sales of the exiting unit! Score!).
The guy who did this was asked to do it. Why, we don't know. COuld be an internal prototype, as to when it is released I don't know.
I think that if there is a prototype at double the resolution on the campus, iBooks would be the perfect candidate to test it... This improved resolution will profit reading the most.
Hence, the x2 images from the iBooks app.
Everybody agrees that such a prototype exists and is being tested on campus.
While maybe a nice to have on many wish lists, it is not at the top. Seems like this is a good one to save for later.
Not critical upgrade.
Production of Pad1 was constrained by display supplies early on. Can they really get 40 million advanced displays like this? Why risk another shortage when they have just spun up production of the current displays?
Ok, I'll throw my hat in the 'it will be higher res' corner. Not sure how high but much higher. I also bet Apple have locked up the supply chain for some considerable time.
Just a thought, but maybe there will be an "entry level" model with the original res and a higher end premium model, with retina type display.
Possible. I think Apple would be loath to sell a "lesser display" though. A slower processor, less storage, lesser connectivity - sure, they would (and always have) offer such options, in the name of price flexibility. But a display is right there in your face all day, whereas the other 'lesser' options are hidden. Therefore, offering a better screen on one model would diminish the other, and Apple traditionally (or at least since Jobs returned) has never done something like that.
Still, if a higher-res screen exists but is in too constrained a supply to offer all comers, this would be the only way to bring a higher-res screen to market at this time. And there certainly would be people willing to pay the freight, and those sales would only encourage the ramping-up of production for those screens.
So there is much that recommends the idea, even if it does go against the grain for Apple.
My guess is the team that Steve normally brings on during his, Phil, Scot and Bertrand will do it between them and Phil will probably host and give the Keynote. I wonder of Tim Cook will make a small appearance perhaps on sales data?
I hope they don't use increased resolution as an excuse to shrink things. After I hit 40, my eyes started going to hell in a handbasket. Increased detail is okay. Just don't shrink things. 100dpi is starting to seem like "retina display" for me
Right there with you buddy on the 40 year old eyes. I do however agree that they need more ram. I also think the most needed improvements are the software. The iPad, although, an iOS device is really a different type of computer and needs different software. I have always thought they need to give us some sort of sand boxed file system and an SD card where we can access, store, transport, copy any file we want.
Right there with you buddy on the 40 year old eyes. I do however agree that they need more ram. I also think the most needed improvements are the software. The iPad, although, an iOS device is really a different type of computer and needs different software. I have always thought they need to give us some sort of sand boxed file system and an SD card where we can access, store, transport, copy any file we want.
The iPhone 4 went retina and the OS simply scaled the graphics we didn't see more real estate and smaller icons.
Also, they continually under-water equipment indoors in case there is a tsunami. Thats what I believe.
No. The iBooks rumour was started by the existence of this 2X graphic, and of course people in Apple don't code or design to external rumours. They can ask people.
I am dubious about the rumours, however nobody has adequately explained the iBooks2X. Certainly not Gruber ( I know! based on no information whatsoever and fixing no bug report in Radar I will design a 2X image off my own bat! even though it cant be tested unless I have a screen with double res and if I make a mistake an include that in the latest build it will cause a rumour which may harm sales of the exiting unit! Score!).
The guy who did this was asked to do it. Why, we don't know. Could be an internal prototype, as to when it is released I don't know.
Despite looking at MacRumors and AppleInsider archives, I never once saw a story about 2x images being found in any of the iOS 4.0 betas, despite the fact that we know they made them. I would not take their absence in the 4.3 beta to be a reason to confirm that the iPad 2 isn't getting a high res screen.
I hope they don't use increased resolution as an excuse to shrink things. After I hit 40, my eyes started going to hell in a handbasket. Increased detail is okay. Just don't shrink things. 100dpi is starting to seem like "retina display" for me
Higher res doesn't have to make everything smaller, think iPhone 4, the OS scaled the contents.
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Just a thought, but it's quite possible that the iBooks programmers haven't got a clue, and they just added the 2X graphics to cover the possibility that the rumors are true.
Gruber touched on that believable scenario.
But so what’s the deal with those double-resolution UI graphics in iBooks? I don’t know, but my guess is that it’s just the work of a UI designer thinking ahead. Sooner or later, the iPad will get a retina display, and I remain convinced that it will be exactly double the current resolution. (There are 2048 × 1536 iPad prototypes in Cupertino. They’re not the iPad 2, though.) Double-resolution graphics created now are double-resolution graphics that don’t have to be created under a tight deadline later, when such an iPad actually ships. (I suspect it’s an oversight that these graphics were actually included in the app bundle at this point.)
I think it makes more sense than many other possibilities I’ve heard. Especially when you compare it to iOS 4.3 having a camera-related images that are only 1024x768. I would think iOS for iPad devs would be more aware of the next iPad HW than the devs for iBooks.
That said, it doesn’t rule out Apple releasing both the 1024x768 display for cheaper, entry-level iPads and the double-resolution iPad for thoe who want the premium model. There is certainly a case to be made for that and the support for apps likely wouldn’t be an issue. The demand would be hugh enough to warrant devs updating their apps in fashion similiar to the iPhone 4, and for those who spend most of their time in iBooks, Safari and other native apps it would look brilliant. Of course, that ignores actual cost and performance needs of such a display.
PS: Ireland, why the HUGE font? We read your posts. You are not ignored.
Just a thought, but it's quite possible that the iBooks programmers haven't got a clue, and they just added the 2X graphics to cover the possibility that the rumors are true.
Also, they continually under-water equipment indoors in case there is a tsunami. Thats what I believe.
No. The iBooks rumour was started by the existence of this 2X graphic, and of course people in Apple don't code or design to external rumours. They can ask people.
I am dubious about the rumours, however nobody has adequately explained the iBooks2X. Certainly not Gruber ( I know! based on no information whatsoever and fixing no bug report in Radar I will design a 2X image off my own bat! even though it cant be tested unless I have a screen with double res and if I make a mistake an include that in the latest build it will cause a rumour which may harm sales of the exiting unit! Score!).
The guy who did this was asked to do it. Why, we don't know. COuld be an internal prototype, as to when it is released I don't know.
I?m with everyone else on this: Not convinced, but really want this rumour to be true.
That's me in a nutshell. Really hoping Gruber is wrong, as unlikely as it would be. Want it so that Apple shifts the goalposts almost completely beyond the reach of their competitors, but most of all want it for myself!
My reasoning tells me no -- but my intuition tells me yes!
3. The 2048x1536 display (when and if it comes) will be startling. It will permit changes to safari and many other apps. Things like viewing images side-by-side and at smaller size will be possible and beautiful. As others have noted, this approaches retina resolution when the iPad is held at a comfortable distance, so increases above this resolution won't add much. But getting to this resolution will be a quantum change. Bigger than the change to the retina display on the iphone ? which was huge.
I hope they don't use increased resolution as an excuse to shrink things. After I hit 40, my eyes started going to hell in a handbasket. Increased detail is okay. Just don't shrink things. 100dpi is starting to seem like "retina display" for me
I saw someone suggest yesterday that Apple might be calling their new iPad the iPad Pro. I also see today that a couple of you are suggesting that there might be two models coming out this year, an entry level model with improvements over last year and then a better model.
My question is, why not?
How many different iPods are available right now? Why wouldn't Apple introduce a Pro model with all the major upgrades being discussed at a higher price point while offering the "regular" upgraded model at last year's pricing?
Apple's current price line is $499, $599 and $699. Is it unreasonable to think they may now introduce a brand new product at the $799 and $899 price? The Mac Book air starts at $999. Apple will effectively fill all the price points they now have missing while introducing a much better iPad.
If price and price margins are the ONLY reason it can't exist, then why not simply make something way nicer than the current models for a $100 or $200 more.
Think Macbook and MacBook Pro and you get the idea.
Parents can buy $499 models for the kiddies and a $799 wi-fi Pro model for themselves.
It expands the market while making it even less possible for others to compete. Doesn't that make sense?
IPad2 and iPad Pro, BOTH coming your way this April...
I am dubious about the rumours, however nobody has adequately explained the iBooks2X. Certainly not Gruber ( I know! based on no information whatsoever and fixing no bug report in Radar I will design a 2X image off my own bat! even though it cant be tested unless I have a screen with double res and if I make a mistake an include that in the latest build it will cause a rumour which may harm sales of the exiting unit! Score!).
The guy who did this was asked to do it. Why, we don't know. COuld be an internal prototype, as to when it is released I don't know.
I think that if there is a prototype at double the resolution on the campus, iBooks would be the perfect candidate to test it... This improved resolution will profit reading the most.
Hence, the x2 images from the iBooks app.
Everybody agrees that such a prototype exists and is being tested on campus.
What we do not know is wether it is iPad 2 or 3.
My bet is on iPad 3.
Mac.
When will they announce it?
Who will give the keynote?
While maybe a nice to have on many wish lists, it is not at the top. Seems like this is a good one to save for later.
Not critical upgrade.
Production of Pad1 was constrained by display supplies early on. Can they really get 40 million advanced displays like this? Why risk another shortage when they have just spun up production of the current displays?
Just a thought, but maybe there will be an "entry level" model with the original res and a higher end premium model, with retina type display.
Possible. I think Apple would be loath to sell a "lesser display" though. A slower processor, less storage, lesser connectivity - sure, they would (and always have) offer such options, in the name of price flexibility. But a display is right there in your face all day, whereas the other 'lesser' options are hidden. Therefore, offering a better screen on one model would diminish the other, and Apple traditionally (or at least since Jobs returned) has never done something like that.
Still, if a higher-res screen exists but is in too constrained a supply to offer all comers, this would be the only way to bring a higher-res screen to market at this time. And there certainly would be people willing to pay the freight, and those sales would only encourage the ramping-up of production for those screens.
So there is much that recommends the idea, even if it does go against the grain for Apple.
Let's assume that the iPad 2 ships in April.
When will they announce it?
Who will give the keynote?
My guess is the team that Steve normally brings on during his, Phil, Scot and Bertrand will do it between them and Phil will probably host and give the Keynote. I wonder of Tim Cook will make a small appearance perhaps on sales data?
I hope they don't use increased resolution as an excuse to shrink things. After I hit 40, my eyes started going to hell in a handbasket. Increased detail is okay. Just don't shrink things. 100dpi is starting to seem like "retina display" for me
Right there with you buddy on the 40 year old eyes. I do however agree that they need more ram. I also think the most needed improvements are the software. The iPad, although, an iOS device is really a different type of computer and needs different software. I have always thought they need to give us some sort of sand boxed file system and an SD card where we can access, store, transport, copy any file we want.
Right there with you buddy on the 40 year old eyes. I do however agree that they need more ram. I also think the most needed improvements are the software. The iPad, although, an iOS device is really a different type of computer and needs different software. I have always thought they need to give us some sort of sand boxed file system and an SD card where we can access, store, transport, copy any file we want.
The iPhone 4 went retina and the OS simply scaled the graphics we didn't see more real estate and smaller icons.
p.s. You think 40 year old eyes are old? OMG! LOL
The iPhone 4 went retina and the OS simply scaled the graphics we didn't see more real estate and smaller icons.
Sure just saying I already can't see the pixels.
Also, they continually under-water equipment indoors in case there is a tsunami. Thats what I believe.
No. The iBooks rumour was started by the existence of this 2X graphic, and of course people in Apple don't code or design to external rumours. They can ask people.
I am dubious about the rumours, however nobody has adequately explained the iBooks2X. Certainly not Gruber ( I know! based on no information whatsoever and fixing no bug report in Radar I will design a 2X image off my own bat! even though it cant be tested unless I have a screen with double res and if I make a mistake an include that in the latest build it will cause a rumour which may harm sales of the exiting unit! Score!).
The guy who did this was asked to do it. Why, we don't know. Could be an internal prototype, as to when it is released I don't know.
Despite looking at MacRumors and AppleInsider archives, I never once saw a story about 2x images being found in any of the iOS 4.0 betas, despite the fact that we know they made them. I would not take their absence in the 4.3 beta to be a reason to confirm that the iPad 2 isn't getting a high res screen.
I hope they don't use increased resolution as an excuse to shrink things. After I hit 40, my eyes started going to hell in a handbasket. Increased detail is okay. Just don't shrink things. 100dpi is starting to seem like "retina display" for me
Higher res doesn't have to make everything smaller, think iPhone 4, the OS scaled the contents.
PS: Ireland, why the HUGE font? We read your posts. You are not ignored.
He just wants to be loved! Is that so wrong?
Sure just saying I already can't see the pixels.
OK, sorry, I misunderstood your comment. I have heard many assume higher res means smaller icons (as with monitors). BTW me neither!