It provides an interface for audio/video capabilities of JAVAME. This version of Java is aimed at embedded systems, which can include mobile phones.
For the time being Android does not support MMAPI. I have a feeling that they want to role out their own multimedia layer, which kind of makes sense. Saying all that, other files are more interesting.
I don't believe there has to be anything wilful about copyright infringement, I think you're confusing copyright and patent infringement.
That fact remains that Google released proprietary Oracle/Sun source code when they were not authorised to do so.
Sure it does. Damages are based on whether or not it was intentional. You familiar with the Microsoft case with MP3 patents?
I can host music on my computer all I want; until someone downloads it from me no infringement took place. If their server logs show only internal people got it or even like 10 people so what? An RIAA suit can make a person's life miserable; Google isn't exactly poor, and Oracle isn't going to get anything significant without any of the code being distributed on any android device.
Google is NOT AI's enemy. Google is AI's customer. Google gives money to AI. In exchange, AI sells us readers to Google. AI gets Google Money every time we click. More and more. I think that is a good thing.
If not for Google, sites like AI would dry up and blow away. AI owes perhaps its very existence to Google.
AI takes the Google Money, and gives part of it to Daniel. I am not surprised that Daniel talks big. The fact is, however, that he eats using Google's Money.
Google also benefits from iOS. You think Google wants to kill iOS? They don't really care; they get money either way.
Not as much you say? Sure. But it still benefits them and they aren't going to mess up that relationship.
Even Apple was smart enough not to sue Google, but by proxy HTC.
If Google loses then so does Apple due to software patents. Cuts both ways bud. Can't root for one without the other.
You are assuming that Apple will come up on the short end.
Apple is already the most-sued company in the Valley. A few more suits is not going to be of much consequence. Besides, Apple does okay with these suits: win some, lose some and most get settled out of court.
Definitely agree -- plus change the article headline to say: Wild-Ass-Claim - Update 1, Wild-Ass-Claim - Update 2, etc.
Thanks
I'm trying to be balanced and impartial on this one because it's such a grey area at the moment - at least until we receive more information.
From experience I'd say a lot of large projects would be on the wrong side of some kind of licensing or copyright agreement. Not through any kind of malicious intent but plain old neglect (e.g. some project managers take a "we'll deal with that stuff later" approach as they focus on functionality or bug fixes)
Unfortunately for Google having Android open source opens them up to more scrutiny than some other projects would see. Not to say it's ok to steal code, it's not, and I'm sure that if Google have done something wrong here then the courts will make them pay their dues.
It's hard to see this killing, or even hurting Android though- at least with the information we have at the moment. The worst case scenario seems to be that it might hurt Google's bottom line for a few years.
AppleInsider prefers to post 0-day debunked fairy tales about Android rather than reporting about something like the new proprietary screws put on Apple's devices, strange isn't it?
IMO, they should post both the fairy tales and the too-typical "Apple Screws (pun fully intended) Consumers Again" stories too.
You are assuming that Apple will come up on the short end.
Apple is already the most-sued company in the Valley. A few more suits is not going to be of much consequence. Besides, Apple does okay with these suits: win some, lose some and most get settled out of court.
Regardless of whether or not they lose, they lose money on lawyers. Supporting software patents hurts everyone, not just Google or Apple.
Well, those who can, do. Those who can't?!?! well they obviously fucking steal it then 'give it away'. Google are out to sell your shit and really shouldn't be trusted. Whether its scanning your emails, recording your browsing habits, capturing your access point details or just simple IP theft they really can't be trusted.
I'm trying to be balanced and impartial on this one because it's such a grey area at the moment - at least until we receive more information.
From experience I'd say a lot of large projects would be on the wrong side of some kind of licensing or copyright agreement. Not through any kind of malicious intent but plain old neglect (e.g. some project managers take a "we'll deal with that stuff later" approach as they focus on functionality or bug fixes)
Unfortunately for Google having Android open source opens them up to more scrutiny than some other projects would see. Not to say it's ok to steal code, it's not, and I'm sure that if Google have done something wrong here then the courts will make them pay their dues.
It's hard to see this killing, or even hurting Android though- at least with the information we have at the moment. The worst case scenario seems to be that it might hurt Google's bottom line for a few years.
The classic response from a troll.
Blame others for doing the same, just to try and hide Google's blatant steal.
When a company proclaims to be better than all the others, with the mantra "DO NO EVIL", then goes out and does the following:
1) Blatantly steal people's confidential data from their street view skimmers
2) Use other companies (i.e. Apple) as their own personal R&D establishment
3) Attempt to push their web standards onto others
4) Read confidential emails and bombard those people with targeted ads
5) Store all your searches and pushes them onto the NSA
6) Bullying smaller companies
Then one has to take anything they say with a "grain of salt".
Slowly M$ is dying, as people at long last have realised that there are better alternatives out there, the same will happen with Google.
Lets start by killing it very easily, don't use Google search, try any others, such as blekko (I have no tie in with them, I just happen to like using it and they DO NO EVIL).
If blekko goes down the evil path, I will immediately use another search engine.
If we all do this, Google will go under very quickly, so if you hate Google or don't trust them, then do something about it.
I have been nuts in the past using them, I will do my best to not use them again.
Imagine no Google search, man this will destroy them, as its their main business model.
Getting a free Android operating system for free is too good to be true. All iPhone imitators never realize there is a hidden cost for free things. Just like having free sex and getting a bundle of hurts in the bargain.
Everything I'm reading online is saying that damages and profits from the infringement are taken into account when a penalty for the infringement is assigned.
The damage was the destruction of the JavaME business for Oracle/Sun. Folks that claim Android isn't Java is simply trying to delude you. It's Java...sure dalvik is different from j2me but no java dev is going to claim they aren't coding in Java when they code for Android.
That's the primary draw of the platform...it's java without the suckage of j2me. Android killed off linux phones and largely is now ripping the hell out of the base of j2me phones (symbian and blackberry).
Arguably, it is a state of affairs Sun never should have let happen but it's also not "do no evil".
Well, I see the Googleheads' and Fandroids' heads are exploding over this one. The very simple truth is that Google is a criminal enterprise with no respect for the law or intellectual property.
Well, I see the Googleheads' and Fandroids' heads are exploding over this one. The very simple truth is that Google is a criminal enterprise with no respect for the law or intellectual property.
No, what this shows you is that once again AppleInsider is taking the clickbait path and posting a sensationalist (and false) story without updating it as new information comes to light. not that I blame them, they're making a ton of money.
And apple gets sued every other month for stealing IP (heck, the names iphone, ipad, etc were taken from other companies before they gave their consent). They get sued ALL THE TIME from companies claiming patent infringement. And it's not just from whack jobs either. They have a huge case pending against them from nokia over hardware patents.
The point is that patent law in the US is so ass-backwards that it's possible to sue anyone for anything. Google did not use this code in ANY distributions of android, it's nowhere in the shipped code and will NOT compile on your device if you make an AOSP build. A good majority of the code was uploaded from a wholly different company (not google) and THEY didn't even use it.
Yes, the re-licensing issue will be dealt with, but if you just read this article (or fosspatents) it would make it seem like Google stole this code and used it to make android what it is. They didn't. This code is NOT in android, it's in a defunct (and unused) tree of the open source project. Most of it was deleted from said project well before the article was even initially published.
Why does this matter? Oracle is trying to get PER DEVICE damages. Since this code is not on a SINGLE device, and google didn't use it to BUILD the code that was on those devices, the issue comes down to the licensing re-wrap (which was a bot, still wrong, but it doesn't make them evil) and not the code itself.
Do a search sometime (on whatever engine you use) for the number of patent lawsuits brought against apple that they've lost. It's been more than a few. The problem is with software that our patent system is so screwed up that it's IMPOSSIBLE to make something without being sued for it. This isn't protecting IP, it's people trying to get rich. I used to give apple the benefit of a doubt with the crap thrown at them because it gets thrown at anyone who makes it big, but then they started using their own bullshit patents to sue others instead of marketing against them directly.
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I don't even know what MMAPI is.
The code I looked at, supposedly debunked as a unit test was part of JAVA.Security.
More to come.
For the MMAPI please look at
http://java.sun.com/products/mmapi/overview.html
It provides an interface for audio/video capabilities of JAVAME. This version of Java is aimed at embedded systems, which can include mobile phones.
For the time being Android does not support MMAPI. I have a feeling that they want to role out their own multimedia layer, which kind of makes sense. Saying all that, other files are more interesting.
I don't believe there has to be anything wilful about copyright infringement, I think you're confusing copyright and patent infringement.
That fact remains that Google released proprietary Oracle/Sun source code when they were not authorised to do so.
Sure it does. Damages are based on whether or not it was intentional. You familiar with the Microsoft case with MP3 patents?
I can host music on my computer all I want; until someone downloads it from me no infringement took place. If their server logs show only internal people got it or even like 10 people so what? An RIAA suit can make a person's life miserable; Google isn't exactly poor, and Oracle isn't going to get anything significant without any of the code being distributed on any android device.
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Right. You can take that literally if it makes you feel better.
If Google loses then so does Apple due to software patents. Cuts both ways bud. Can't root for one without the other.
Google is NOT AI's enemy. Google is AI's customer. Google gives money to AI. In exchange, AI sells us readers to Google. AI gets Google Money every time we click. More and more. I think that is a good thing.
If not for Google, sites like AI would dry up and blow away. AI owes perhaps its very existence to Google.
AI takes the Google Money, and gives part of it to Daniel. I am not surprised that Daniel talks big. The fact is, however, that he eats using Google's Money.
Google also benefits from iOS. You think Google wants to kill iOS? They don't really care; they get money either way.
Not as much you say? Sure. But it still benefits them and they aren't going to mess up that relationship.
Even Apple was smart enough not to sue Google, but by proxy HTC.
If Google loses then so does Apple due to software patents. Cuts both ways bud. Can't root for one without the other.
You are assuming that Apple will come up on the short end.
Apple is already the most-sued company in the Valley. A few more suits is not going to be of much consequence. Besides, Apple does okay with these suits: win some, lose some and most get settled out of court.
Definitely agree -- plus change the article headline to say: Wild-Ass-Claim - Update 1, Wild-Ass-Claim - Update 2, etc.
Thanks
I'm trying to be balanced and impartial on this one because it's such a grey area at the moment - at least until we receive more information.
From experience I'd say a lot of large projects would be on the wrong side of some kind of licensing or copyright agreement. Not through any kind of malicious intent but plain old neglect (e.g. some project managers take a "we'll deal with that stuff later" approach as they focus on functionality or bug fixes)
Unfortunately for Google having Android open source opens them up to more scrutiny than some other projects would see. Not to say it's ok to steal code, it's not, and I'm sure that if Google have done something wrong here then the courts will make them pay their dues.
It's hard to see this killing, or even hurting Android though- at least with the information we have at the moment. The worst case scenario seems to be that it might hurt Google's bottom line for a few years.
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AppleInsider prefers to post 0-day debunked fairy tales about Android rather than reporting about something like the new proprietary screws put on Apple's devices, strange isn't it?
IMO, they should post both the fairy tales and the too-typical "Apple Screws (pun fully intended) Consumers Again" stories too.
And all the rest. It all makes for fun reading.
You are assuming that Apple will come up on the short end.
Apple is already the most-sued company in the Valley. A few more suits is not going to be of much consequence. Besides, Apple does okay with these suits: win some, lose some and most get settled out of court.
Regardless of whether or not they lose, they lose money on lawyers. Supporting software patents hurts everyone, not just Google or Apple.
Google also benefits from iOS. You think Google wants to kill iOS? They don't really care; they get money either way.
Not as much you say? Sure. But it still benefits them and they aren't going to mess up that relationship.
Even Apple was smart enough not to sue Google, but by proxy HTC.
Um, no you are wrong.
I hardly use Google now, just Google Maps, as there is no good alternative, hopefully Apple will remedy this in the future.
I use blekko as my search engine now, does not DO EVIL !
I don't use the default search engine on my iPhone or iPad.
So you see with a little bit of effort and some luck, I can completely break away from the Evil Empire.
Thanks
I'm trying to be balanced and impartial on this one because it's such a grey area at the moment - at least until we receive more information.
From experience I'd say a lot of large projects would be on the wrong side of some kind of licensing or copyright agreement. Not through any kind of malicious intent but plain old neglect (e.g. some project managers take a "we'll deal with that stuff later" approach as they focus on functionality or bug fixes)
Unfortunately for Google having Android open source opens them up to more scrutiny than some other projects would see. Not to say it's ok to steal code, it's not, and I'm sure that if Google have done something wrong here then the courts will make them pay their dues.
It's hard to see this killing, or even hurting Android though- at least with the information we have at the moment. The worst case scenario seems to be that it might hurt Google's bottom line for a few years.
The classic response from a troll.
Blame others for doing the same, just to try and hide Google's blatant steal.
I love you guys lol ! You are so funny.
maybe another reason VZ wanted the iphone and is heavily advertising
Regardless of whether or not they lose, they lose money on lawyers. Supporting software patents hurts everyone, not just Google or Apple.
The lawyers definitely cost money which translates into a higher price for everyone. However, software patents are unlikely to disappear anytime soon.
What would make a difference in all civil cases is if there were "loser pays" rules; this would discourage frivolous lawsuits.
1) Blatantly steal people's confidential data from their street view skimmers
2) Use other companies (i.e. Apple) as their own personal R&D establishment
3) Attempt to push their web standards onto others
4) Read confidential emails and bombard those people with targeted ads
5) Store all your searches and pushes them onto the NSA
6) Bullying smaller companies
Then one has to take anything they say with a "grain of salt".
Slowly M$ is dying, as people at long last have realised that there are better alternatives out there, the same will happen with Google.
Lets start by killing it very easily, don't use Google search, try any others, such as blekko (I have no tie in with them, I just happen to like using it and they DO NO EVIL).
If blekko goes down the evil path, I will immediately use another search engine.
If we all do this, Google will go under very quickly, so if you hate Google or don't trust them, then do something about it.
I have been nuts in the past using them, I will do my best to not use them again.
Imagine no Google search, man this will destroy them, as its their main business model.
Um, no you are wrong.
I hardly use Google now, just Google Maps, as there is no good alternative, hopefully Apple will remedy this in the future.
I use blekko as my search engine now, does not DO EVIL !
I don't use the default search engine on my iPhone or iPad.
So you see with a little bit of effort and some luck, I can completely break away from the Evil Empire.
Uh, that wasn't my point to begin with; that's a strawman.
If you really believe what you say, you wouldn't use google maps, regardless of how good it is.
blekko does no evil? Let's see how that pans out if they get popular.
When a company proclaims to be better than all the others, with the mantra "DO NO EVIL", then goes out and does the following:
1) Blatantly steal people's confidential data from their street view skimmers
2) Use other companies (i.e. Apple) as their own personal R&D establishment
3) Attempt to push their web standards onto others
4) Read confidential emails and bombard those people with targeted ads
5) Store all your searches and pushes them onto the NSA
6) Bullying smaller companies
Then one has to take anything YOU say with a "grain of salt".
1. You might want to know what the word "confidential" means.
2. Absolutely no proof on that whatsoever.
3. How? If you are what I think you are referring to, no one is forcing you to drop h.264 for webm.
4. Then don't use gmail. No one is forcing you to use it. By the way, it's kinda hard to get targeted ads from google when you use their IMAP service.
5. And you think the NSA needs google for that? LOL
6. Uh oh, I'm sure Google is the only one.
f we all do this, Google will go under very quickly, so if you hate Google or don't trust them, then do something about it.
I have been nuts in the past using them, I will do my best to not use them again.
Imagine no Google search, man this will destroy them, as its their main business model.
How's that ebay boycott going? How is the FSF boycott on evil apple working?
Everything I'm reading online is saying that damages and profits from the infringement are taken into account when a penalty for the infringement is assigned.
http://www2.lib.purdue.edu/uco/Copyr...penalties.html
The damage was the destruction of the JavaME business for Oracle/Sun. Folks that claim Android isn't Java is simply trying to delude you. It's Java...sure dalvik is different from j2me but no java dev is going to claim they aren't coding in Java when they code for Android.
That's the primary draw of the platform...it's java without the suckage of j2me. Android killed off linux phones and largely is now ripping the hell out of the base of j2me phones (symbian and blackberry).
Arguably, it is a state of affairs Sun never should have let happen but it's also not "do no evil".
Well, I see the Googleheads' and Fandroids' heads are exploding over this one. The very simple truth is that Google is a criminal enterprise with no respect for the law or intellectual property.
No, what this shows you is that once again AppleInsider is taking the clickbait path and posting a sensationalist (and false) story without updating it as new information comes to light. not that I blame them, they're making a ton of money.
And apple gets sued every other month for stealing IP (heck, the names iphone, ipad, etc were taken from other companies before they gave their consent). They get sued ALL THE TIME from companies claiming patent infringement. And it's not just from whack jobs either. They have a huge case pending against them from nokia over hardware patents.
The point is that patent law in the US is so ass-backwards that it's possible to sue anyone for anything. Google did not use this code in ANY distributions of android, it's nowhere in the shipped code and will NOT compile on your device if you make an AOSP build. A good majority of the code was uploaded from a wholly different company (not google) and THEY didn't even use it.
Yes, the re-licensing issue will be dealt with, but if you just read this article (or fosspatents) it would make it seem like Google stole this code and used it to make android what it is. They didn't. This code is NOT in android, it's in a defunct (and unused) tree of the open source project. Most of it was deleted from said project well before the article was even initially published.
Why does this matter? Oracle is trying to get PER DEVICE damages. Since this code is not on a SINGLE device, and google didn't use it to BUILD the code that was on those devices, the issue comes down to the licensing re-wrap (which was a bot, still wrong, but it doesn't make them evil) and not the code itself.
Do a search sometime (on whatever engine you use) for the number of patent lawsuits brought against apple that they've lost. It's been more than a few. The problem is with software that our patent system is so screwed up that it's IMPOSSIBLE to make something without being sued for it. This isn't protecting IP, it's people trying to get rich. I used to give apple the benefit of a doubt with the crap thrown at them because it gets thrown at anyone who makes it big, but then they started using their own bullshit patents to sue others instead of marketing against them directly.