First of all, its uninformed people like you that make apple fanboys look bad.....In addition, a simple root and flashing of CyanogenMod will increase any Android phone's performance quite a bit as well as update it to the latest version. For example, Android Gingerbread came out mid december. CyanogenMod with gingerbread came out a week later. While this is not as fast as iphone updates, it really is not that much of an issue. Also, android updates come out faster.
Well thank you for all of the Android fans showing up (again) and spelling out all of the reasons exactly why we recommend to out friends and family, Apple products over MSFT or Google variants of stolen IP (see Java).
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Originally Posted by Bluest
Been lurking for awhile ....
As it stands, right now, this is very much indeed a serious flaw imo, and hopefully Google addresses it swiftly for the sake of all Android users, whether they be technically inclined or not.
Bluest says it all... but let me get this into a scenario using my 80+ year old parents, who as of Christmas have an iPad. Chalk that up to my Dad who refused to wait any longer to get "up to date" with the PC revolution.
A potential telephone conversation if they would have an Android device instead:
Me: Hey Dad, BTW... don't click on anything suspicious if it happens to show up... or doesn't show up... or maybe like... I don't know... could under certain circumstances show up... well ya know... don't click on anything... because then you'll have to "root your Android device using Cyanogen".
Dad: Uhm? What? Don't click on anything because then I'll need a "root-canal after eating the Cinnamon Bun?" What the...????
My Mom in the background: Oh I just love Cinnamon Buns but I had a root canal just a few months ago (5 years really)... and it was soooo horrible.... blah...blah...blah.
Me: Well no Dad... I said you'll have to "root your device with CyanogenMod... uhm... and Gingerbread".
Dad: Well what is it son? Cinnamon Buns or Gingerbread? Whatever... I am not getting a root canal!
Me out loud, but more to myself: I knew I should have gotten them an iPad and then just send 'em to the Apple Store! Naturally my Mom would develop "Instant-Bionic-Hearing" abilities as usual, and surely quip," well ya know, an Apple a day keeps the Doctor away...hee, hee".
No.. my parents aren't dumb. Yes, they are computer illiterate... and God-fearing, trusting (why would anyone one want to, "Fish me" did ya say?) good souls... and I love 'em dearly. I would think that 70% or more of the populace could say the same thing or tell the same story.
That's why a Geek-Squad device should NEVER be recommended to a loved one, and why I'm thankful that the geeks and their devices exist.
How better to make our sales pitch to loved ones that much easier, by pointing out the geekiness factor in these "other, alternative, cheaper, open" devices.
Thank You Geeks... and my Dad says to stay off his lawn, 'K?!
Well thank you for all of the Android fans showing up (again) and spelling out all of the reasons exactly why we recommend to out friends and family, Apple products over MSFT or Google variants of stolen IP (see Java).
Bluest says it all... but let me get this into a scenario using my 80+ year old parents, who as of Christmas have an iPad. Chalk that up to my Dad who refused to wait any longer to get "up to date" with the PC revolution.
A potential telephone conversation if they would have an Android device instead:
Me: Hey Dad, BTW... don't click on anything suspicious if it happens to show up... or doesn't show up... or maybe like... I don't know... could under certain circumstances show up... well ya know... don't click on anything... because then you'll have to "root your Android device using Cyanogen".
Dad: Uhm? What? Don't click on anything because then I'll need a "root-canal after eating the Cinnamon Bun?" What the...????
My Mom in the background: Oh I just love Cinnamon Buns but I had a root canal just a few months ago (5 years really)... and it was soooo horrible.... blah...blah...blah.
Me: Well no Dad... I said you'll have to "root your device with CyanogenMod... uhm... and Gingerbread".
Dad: Well what is it son? Cinnamon Buns or Gingerbread? Whatever... I am not getting a root canal!
Me out loud, but more to myself: I knew I should have gotten them an iPad and then just send 'em to the Apple Store! Naturally my Mom would develop "Instant-Bionic-Hearing" abilities as usual, and surely quip," well ya know, an Apple a day keeps the Doctor away...hee, hee".
No.. my parents aren't dumb. Yes, they are computer illiterate... and God-fearing, trusting (why would anyone one want to, "Fish me" did ya say?) good souls... and I love 'em dearly. I would think that 70% or more of the populace could say the same thing or tell the same story.
That's why a Geek-Squad device should NEVER be recommended to a loved one, and why I'm thankful that the geeks and their devices exist.
How better to make our sales pitch to loved ones that much easier, by pointing out the geekiness factor in these "other, alternative, cheaper, open" devices.
Thank You Geeks... and my Dad says to stay off his lawn, 'K?!
Funny, but yoiur grandpa doesn't have to be worried.
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You mean the issue where the only time most blogs posted about the issue was when either:
A) Apple pulled their stupid "everyone else does it" campaign and targeted android phones?
An ANDROID manufacturer created an ad about it?
Both things had DIRECT connections to Android. This story, and the dozens of others like it that are on this site have no direct link to iOS, at all.
And for the record (to answer someone earlier) that's why there are so many people who use Android on this site. See, AI is spending so much time trying to cover Android news that they're popping up in RSS feeds that look for Android news.
I'd refrain from it if the posts here warranted it. I didn't use it in the past, but as the comments on here became increasingly shrill and closed-minded, it seemed appropriate. No matter. I've given tired of trying to talk sense into anyone here. It's a hopeless endeavor, since folks ignore evidence, have double standards, and, when all else fails, just make things up.
I won't bother to argue with you as so far I have seen nothing specific to argue - either way. I would however be very interested in an example or two of shrill comments (your words - not mine). I read this site daily along with a great majority of the comments but certainly not all so apparently I missed all these shrill comments.
If my GMail account is compromised, the least of my worries is auto installing of Android apps.
I really don't think you comprehend the gravity of this. It's because of moves like this by Google and general irresponsibility by others that I now can't even trust my e-mail or phone numbers even to close friends or family. Google's bad decisions effect even those of us who don't use their products.
You mean the issue where the only time most blogs posted about the issue was when either:
A) Apple pulled their stupid "everyone else does it" campaign and targeted android phones?
An ANDROID manufacturer created an ad about it?
Both things had DIRECT connections to Android. This story, and the dozens of others like it that are on this site have no direct link to iOS, at all.
And for the record (to answer someone earlier) that's why there are so many people who use Android on this site. See, AI is spending so much time trying to cover Android news that they're popping up in RSS feeds that look for Android news.
Google I/O 2011 sold out in 59 minutes! Holy moly.
It's likely to appear as a carefully crafted 15,000 treatise which will take the following form:
1. This is rubbish, here's why.
2. I/O doesn't have the same history that the WWDC has - therefore it's a passing fad.
3. Recent I/O have taken 60 and 90 days to sell out.
4. SOMETHING'S FISHY ABOUT THE NUMBERS.
5. Clearly Google are reducing the number of attendees - there's no other explanation for it. In fact, only three developers are going this year.
6. Google are being disingenious about the installed user base for android. It's a waste of developers time.
7. Some angelic bullshit about the WWDC being beyond reproach.
8. If possible, slip in some rubbish about Microsoft (perhaps some reference to the PDC)
9. Tada, please support roughlydraftedinsider.
I'm just having a sly dig, and the guy actually puts his articles together quite cogently, but they're all the same formula. Sometimes his facts are a little off, but the conclusion he reaches is often sound.
In this current story, I don't really think so. Lose a password and you're fair game. Doesn't matter which platform.
I think the most prominent suggestion, to confirm install, would prompt roars of Vista "Allow/Deny" derision on this forum. Google can't win either way; this is an Apple fan site after all.
I really don't think you comprehend the gravity of this. It's because of moves like this by Google and general irresponsibility by others that I now can't even trust my e-mail or phone numbers even to close friends or family. Google's bad decisions effect even those of us who don't use their products.
What? You worried that someone may have your phone number or email address?
Just curious as to how this is detrimental to you.
Readers on this forum seem completely oblivious to the fantastic innovations google has made on the mobile front. So much so that apple cry babies resort to name calling and cheap insults.
I really don't think you comprehend the gravity of this. It's because of moves like this by Google and general irresponsibility by others that I now can't even trust my e-mail or phone numbers even to close friends or family. Google's bad decisions effect even those of us who don't use their products.
But they can't run for the first time on their own.
So if a random app appears to have been randomly installed on your phone, first of all change your Gmail password, but secondly, don't open it and uninstall it.
Problem solved.
I do recall reading last year that Android apps can't actually do anything until the user starts them first. Hence the threat of a silent app taking away all your information is reduced.
The problem being that some people's first instincts are to open the app to see what it is. Curiosity got the cat factor.
I know it would remove a bit of the automation Google was going for with this feature, but maybe a confirmation notification on the phone before the app actually starts downloading. It does it when I transfer files via Bluetooth.
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Originally Posted by Menno
And for the record (to answer someone earlier) that's why there are so many people who use Android on this site. See, AI is spending so much time trying to cover Android news that they're popping up in RSS feeds that look for Android news.
I think the most prominent suggestion, to confirm install, would prompt roars of Vista "Allow/Deny" derision on this forum. Google can't win either way; this is an Apple fan site after all.
I should have read your post before I made mine. This part's so true.
Wouldn't a better solution be to increase the security on Google account login?
There are a bunch of ways to do this, all the way from simply selecting your personal image when you log on to security code dongles or SMS verification.
I offered the exact same solution when the iTunes accounts we "phished" and a bunch of money was stolen from them.
A username/password is no longer a secure way to access an account. Especially for anything related to your finances. It's just that simple.
I don't know, to me that seems a more difficult solution to the problem, since most people after having setup their Gmail account, never go back and mess with the settings. It shouldn't be hard for Google to implement some kind of warning prompt for remote installs, hell they already have one in place with receiving files over bluetooth.
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First of all, its uninformed people like you that make apple fanboys look bad.....In addition, a simple root and flashing of CyanogenMod will increase any Android phone's performance quite a bit as well as update it to the latest version. For example, Android Gingerbread came out mid december. CyanogenMod with gingerbread came out a week later. While this is not as fast as iphone updates, it really is not that much of an issue. Also, android updates come out faster.
Well thank you for all of the Android fans showing up (again) and spelling out all of the reasons exactly why we recommend to out friends and family, Apple products over MSFT or Google variants of stolen IP (see Java).
Been lurking for awhile ....
As it stands, right now, this is very much indeed a serious flaw imo, and hopefully Google addresses it swiftly for the sake of all Android users, whether they be technically inclined or not.
Bluest says it all... but let me get this into a scenario using my 80+ year old parents, who as of Christmas have an iPad. Chalk that up to my Dad who refused to wait any longer to get "up to date" with the PC revolution.
A potential telephone conversation if they would have an Android device instead:
Me: Hey Dad, BTW... don't click on anything suspicious if it happens to show up... or doesn't show up... or maybe like... I don't know... could under certain circumstances show up... well ya know... don't click on anything... because then you'll have to "root your Android device using Cyanogen".
Dad: Uhm? What? Don't click on anything because then I'll need a "root-canal after eating the Cinnamon Bun?" What the...????
My Mom in the background: Oh I just love Cinnamon Buns but I had a root canal just a few months ago (5 years really)... and it was soooo horrible.... blah...blah...blah.
Me: Well no Dad... I said you'll have to "root your device with CyanogenMod... uhm... and Gingerbread".
Dad: Well what is it son? Cinnamon Buns or Gingerbread? Whatever... I am not getting a root canal!
Me out loud, but more to myself: I knew I should have gotten them an iPad and then just send 'em to the Apple Store! Naturally my Mom would develop "Instant-Bionic-Hearing" abilities as usual, and surely quip," well ya know, an Apple a day keeps the Doctor away...hee, hee".
No.. my parents aren't dumb. Yes, they are computer illiterate... and God-fearing, trusting (why would anyone one want to, "Fish me" did ya say?) good souls... and I love 'em dearly. I would think that 70% or more of the populace could say the same thing or tell the same story.
That's why a Geek-Squad device should NEVER be recommended to a loved one, and why I'm thankful that the geeks and their devices exist.
How better to make our sales pitch to loved ones that much easier, by pointing out the geekiness factor in these "other, alternative, cheaper, open" devices.
Thank You Geeks... and my Dad says to stay off his lawn, 'K?!
Well thank you for all of the Android fans showing up (again) and spelling out all of the reasons exactly why we recommend to out friends and family, Apple products over MSFT or Google variants of stolen IP (see Java).
Bluest says it all... but let me get this into a scenario using my 80+ year old parents, who as of Christmas have an iPad. Chalk that up to my Dad who refused to wait any longer to get "up to date" with the PC revolution.
A potential telephone conversation if they would have an Android device instead:
Me: Hey Dad, BTW... don't click on anything suspicious if it happens to show up... or doesn't show up... or maybe like... I don't know... could under certain circumstances show up... well ya know... don't click on anything... because then you'll have to "root your Android device using Cyanogen".
Dad: Uhm? What? Don't click on anything because then I'll need a "root-canal after eating the Cinnamon Bun?" What the...????
My Mom in the background: Oh I just love Cinnamon Buns but I had a root canal just a few months ago (5 years really)... and it was soooo horrible.... blah...blah...blah.
Me: Well no Dad... I said you'll have to "root your device with CyanogenMod... uhm... and Gingerbread".
Dad: Well what is it son? Cinnamon Buns or Gingerbread? Whatever... I am not getting a root canal!
Me out loud, but more to myself: I knew I should have gotten them an iPad and then just send 'em to the Apple Store! Naturally my Mom would develop "Instant-Bionic-Hearing" abilities as usual, and surely quip," well ya know, an Apple a day keeps the Doctor away...hee, hee".
No.. my parents aren't dumb. Yes, they are computer illiterate... and God-fearing, trusting (why would anyone one want to, "Fish me" did ya say?) good souls... and I love 'em dearly. I would think that 70% or more of the populace could say the same thing or tell the same story.
That's why a Geek-Squad device should NEVER be recommended to a loved one, and why I'm thankful that the geeks and their devices exist.
How better to make our sales pitch to loved ones that much easier, by pointing out the geekiness factor in these "other, alternative, cheaper, open" devices.
Thank You Geeks... and my Dad says to stay off his lawn, 'K?!
Funny, but yoiur grandpa doesn't have to be worried.
Hi everyone does anyone know how to make a cake decorating tip out of scratch? I need it for writting on the cake and one for the border of the cake.Hi everyone does anyone know how to make a cake decorating tip out of scratch? I need it for writting on the cake and one for the border of the cake.Hi everyone does anyone know how to make a cake decorating tip out of scratch? I need it for writting on the cake and one for the border of the cake.
Best post of this thread.
(and for the record, no that isn't sarcasm.)
Antennagate.
You mean the issue where the only time most blogs posted about the issue was when either:
A) Apple pulled their stupid "everyone else does it" campaign and targeted android phones?
Both things had DIRECT connections to Android. This story, and the dozens of others like it that are on this site have no direct link to iOS, at all.
And for the record (to answer someone earlier) that's why there are so many people who use Android on this site. See, AI is spending so much time trying to cover Android news that they're popping up in RSS feeds that look for Android news.
I'd refrain from it if the posts here warranted it. I didn't use it in the past, but as the comments on here became increasingly shrill and closed-minded, it seemed appropriate. No matter. I've given tired of trying to talk sense into anyone here. It's a hopeless endeavor, since folks ignore evidence, have double standards, and, when all else fails, just make things up.
I won't bother to argue with you as so far I have seen nothing specific to argue - either way. I would however be very interested in an example or two of shrill comments (your words - not mine). I read this site daily along with a great majority of the comments but certainly not all so apparently I missed all these shrill comments.
I calmly await your reply.
Thats for people like you who have poor or selective memories.
I see your rants on RDM, if you hate DED so much, as you obviously do, then why do you chase him all over cyber space to get your "pound of flesh" ?
I'm just curious.
You never refute any of his arguments, but simply go on a personal attack, quite immature don't you think ?
You are welcome to refute my points with actual evidence. Until then, you can politely shut the puck up.
Oh, another FUD and bashing post from Mr. Daniel.
If my GMail account is compromised, the least of my worries is auto installing of Android apps.
I really don't think you comprehend the gravity of this. It's because of moves like this by Google and general irresponsibility by others that I now can't even trust my e-mail or phone numbers even to close friends or family. Google's bad decisions effect even those of us who don't use their products.
You mean the issue where the only time most blogs posted about the issue was when either:
A) Apple pulled their stupid "everyone else does it" campaign and targeted android phones?
Both things had DIRECT connections to Android. This story, and the dozens of others like it that are on this site have no direct link to iOS, at all.
And for the record (to answer someone earlier) that's why there are so many people who use Android on this site. See, AI is spending so much time trying to cover Android news that they're popping up in RSS feeds that look for Android news.
Like this one: http://twitter.com/vicgundotra
Google I/O 2011 sold out in 59 minutes! Holy moly.
It's likely to appear as a carefully crafted 15,000 treatise which will take the following form:
1. This is rubbish, here's why.
2. I/O doesn't have the same history that the WWDC has - therefore it's a passing fad.
3. Recent I/O have taken 60 and 90 days to sell out.
4. SOMETHING'S FISHY ABOUT THE NUMBERS.
5. Clearly Google are reducing the number of attendees - there's no other explanation for it. In fact, only three developers are going this year.
6. Google are being disingenious about the installed user base for android. It's a waste of developers time.
7. Some angelic bullshit about the WWDC being beyond reproach.
8. If possible, slip in some rubbish about Microsoft (perhaps some reference to the PDC)
9. Tada, please support roughlydraftedinsider.
I'm just having a sly dig, and the guy actually puts his articles together quite cogently, but they're all the same formula. Sometimes his facts are a little off, but the conclusion he reaches is often sound.
In this current story, I don't really think so. Lose a password and you're fair game. Doesn't matter which platform.
I think the most prominent suggestion, to confirm install, would prompt roars of Vista "Allow/Deny" derision on this forum. Google can't win either way; this is an Apple fan site after all.
I really don't think you comprehend the gravity of this. It's because of moves like this by Google and general irresponsibility by others that I now can't even trust my e-mail or phone numbers even to close friends or family. Google's bad decisions effect even those of us who don't use their products.
What? You worried that someone may have your phone number or email address?
Just curious as to how this is detrimental to you.
Readers on this forum seem completely oblivious to the fantastic innovations google has made on the mobile front. So much so that apple cry babies resort to name calling and cheap insults.
Seems to be some irony in this statement.
I really don't think you comprehend the gravity of this. It's because of moves like this by Google and general irresponsibility by others that I now can't even trust my e-mail or phone numbers even to close friends or family. Google's bad decisions effect even those of us who don't use their products.
What?
Sure, you can install apps remotely.
But they can't run for the first time on their own.
So if a random app appears to have been randomly installed on your phone, first of all change your Gmail password, but secondly, don't open it and uninstall it.
Problem solved.
I do recall reading last year that Android apps can't actually do anything until the user starts them first. Hence the threat of a silent app taking away all your information is reduced.
The problem being that some people's first instincts are to open the app to see what it is. Curiosity got the cat factor.
I know it would remove a bit of the automation Google was going for with this feature, but maybe a confirmation notification on the phone before the app actually starts downloading. It does it when I transfer files via Bluetooth.
And for the record (to answer someone earlier) that's why there are so many people who use Android on this site. See, AI is spending so much time trying to cover Android news that they're popping up in RSS feeds that look for Android news.
Hehe!
Like this one: http://twitter.com/vicgundotra
I think the most prominent suggestion, to confirm install, would prompt roars of Vista "Allow/Deny" derision on this forum. Google can't win either way; this is an Apple fan site after all.
I should have read your post before I made mine. This part's so true.
Wouldn't a better solution be to increase the security on Google account login?
There are a bunch of ways to do this, all the way from simply selecting your personal image when you log on to security code dongles or SMS verification.
I offered the exact same solution when the iTunes accounts we "phished" and a bunch of money was stolen from them.
A username/password is no longer a secure way to access an account. Especially for anything related to your finances. It's just that simple.
I don't know, to me that seems a more difficult solution to the problem, since most people after having setup their Gmail account, never go back and mess with the settings. It shouldn't be hard for Google to implement some kind of warning prompt for remote installs, hell they already have one in place with receiving files over bluetooth.
More difficult yes, but it's a better solution.
Apparently Google agrees with me.
Apple need to copy this functionality off Google. A simple username/password isn't good enough anymore.