Thinking Different, if this is your first hand gun why not buy something a little cheaper the first time around? Ruger's P-series are nice and with the saved cash you could get a nice used .22 for target practice.
I'd like to second the Sigs. They're a mighty fine firearm. I've fired more weapons than I care to count, but if I was in the market for a personal sidearm these days, I'd seriously take a long look at a Sig.
Of course, I live in Massachussetts. They make owning a personal weapon a personal nightmare. Of course, all I really want is my own H&K PSG1... life is so unfair
[quote]It reminds me of Eddie Izzard's immortal words: "Guns don't kill people: people kill people. And if you give guns to monkeys, monkeys kill people."<hr></blockquote>
LOL to bad there are no monkey in the states... or... will follow this thread to find out...
Actually a gun is designed to move a metallic object at high velocities in a relatively straight line. I'm sorry that you want to kill people with guns.
Go with the Glock. I've never owned one personally, but I have friends that are really into all that stuff, and Glock is the way to go. Here are a couple answers below.
1.) There are normally 2 safetys on a Glock. One half way down the barrell that either clicks up or down, and the other is on the trigger. If you don't hold the gun right, you can't release this saftey.
2.) The recoil isn't like most other hand guns. While it does recoil some in the normal manner, it maily has a "twisted" recoil. Meaning, your hand and wrist will twist some when firing. This helps to center repeated shots on the targeted area.
If you want a 9mm, go with the Glock 17. Not that badly priced usually either.
Also, check some sports shops. Some have built in firing ranges, and will let you test a couple before you buy them. For a small range fee of course.
The Glock is to the Beretta what the Mac is to the PC - a far superior concept.
The Glock has three integrated safety systems. You can chamber a round and walk around in complete safety (although God only knows why you'd want to do this). These three safety systems combine to ensure that the gun will only go off if you insert your finger into the trigger guard and pull. You can drop the gun, kick it around even, but it won't go off. This is the reason that the Glock is so popular with Police forces worldwide.
As for recoil, the recoil you experience depends on two things - the weight of the parts that move during recoil and the load of the bullet itself. If you were to take the same bullet and fire it in two guns, all things being equal, the gun with the heavier parts would have a slower, gentler recoil. This is because you must apply a higher pressure in order to get the heavier slide to move and accelerate.
Now this is the clever part. The Glock is lighter than the Beretta due to its plastic frame, but its slide is machined from a solid hunk of metal. As a result, the Glocks slide weighs the same as a conventional pistols - so the recoil is the same.
Other guns worth considering: anything by HK (particularly the USP family) and anything by SIG Sauer.
Hmm. I've been thinking about getting a pistol too. I want something with a bit of punch though, size I'm used to the feel of a 12 gauge semi-auto, and something less just wouldn't do me justice.
I'm considering the Sig 357. Do you know much about that, eskimo?
As for the nay-sayers: It's about freedom. I'd rather live in a place where I can do what I want, provided I'm not violating the property rights of others.
Actually a gun is designed to move a metallic object at high velocities in a relatively straight line. I'm sorry that you want to kill people with guns.
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Guns were definatly designed to kill people....perhaps the physics behind a gun were not...but such is the fate of many developments.
I can also advocate the Sig or the H&K versus the Glock. But Glock vs. Beretta -- Beretta is the winner. Glocks are too temperamental. Hard to work on, hard to get someone to work on. Beretta is a good design, built to last for years. I just can't say the same about Glocks. Just about all the good things you hear about Berettas apply to Taurus guns too. None of my Taurus pistols have ever given me any trouble.
As for caliber, if you reload for yourself then .40 is the way to go, but you want to shoot one of each type that you're considering. The .40 can be a hot load in some pistols. I find the 9mm MUCH MORE comfortable to practice with than the .40, and since shot placement is everything, that's what I have stuck with. 9mm is cheap to reload OR buy loaded, but the .40 is really only economical if you're going to do it yourself. That may have changed in recent years, so it's just something to look at. As for stopping power, the difference between a hot 9mm round and a hot .40 is negligible, FBI studies to the contrary.
Well personally, I like all the CT guns, I usually just start off with some Kevlar + Helmet, go to an MP5 Navy if I have enough money (otherwise it's all about Deagle heatshots, muhaha), M4A1 Colts = best weapon ever..
Oh wait, this isn't a Counterstrike thread.
On a serious note, I have no experience with guns except with computer weapons.
I'd go with the Glock personally... I find that the lighter weight allows me to aim and fire much quicker... easier to kill with it. And don't worry about the safety... those are for wusses anyway. </sarcasm>
You should also try and find a Taurus PT-90/92. It's almost the same as a Beretta, but much cheaper, and has a better safety. It's mounted on the frame instead of the slide, plus it has wood grips, which are very nice.
I had a Glock .40S&W. I liked it a bit, couldn't get used to the trigger safety at all. But they are among the easiest guns to strip and clean.
I would personally recommend a .357 as your first gun. You can shoot the cheaper .38 rounds out of it without any modification, and then shoot the more expensive .357 rounds out of it when you get used to it.
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If not, Glock's and Sig's are very nice.
Of course, I live in Massachussetts. They make owning a personal weapon a personal nightmare. Of course, all I really want is my own H&K PSG1... life is so unfair
Look at the Sig, you'll love that weapon
LOL
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Actually a gun is designed to move a metallic object at high velocities in a relatively straight line. I'm sorry that you want to kill people with guns.
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Guns are for firing bullets then.
And bullets are for..?
But what are the holes for? And what things?
Gunz R Kewl...
1.) There are normally 2 safetys on a Glock. One half way down the barrell that either clicks up or down, and the other is on the trigger. If you don't hold the gun right, you can't release this saftey.
2.) The recoil isn't like most other hand guns. While it does recoil some in the normal manner, it maily has a "twisted" recoil. Meaning, your hand and wrist will twist some when firing. This helps to center repeated shots on the targeted area.
If you want a 9mm, go with the Glock 17. Not that badly priced usually either.
Also, check some sports shops. Some have built in firing ranges, and will let you test a couple before you buy them. For a small range fee of course.
The Glock has three integrated safety systems. You can chamber a round and walk around in complete safety (although God only knows why you'd want to do this). These three safety systems combine to ensure that the gun will only go off if you insert your finger into the trigger guard and pull. You can drop the gun, kick it around even, but it won't go off. This is the reason that the Glock is so popular with Police forces worldwide.
As for recoil, the recoil you experience depends on two things - the weight of the parts that move during recoil and the load of the bullet itself. If you were to take the same bullet and fire it in two guns, all things being equal, the gun with the heavier parts would have a slower, gentler recoil. This is because you must apply a higher pressure in order to get the heavier slide to move and accelerate.
Now this is the clever part. The Glock is lighter than the Beretta due to its plastic frame, but its slide is machined from a solid hunk of metal. As a result, the Glocks slide weighs the same as a conventional pistols - so the recoil is the same.
Other guns worth considering: anything by HK (particularly the USP family) and anything by SIG Sauer.
Good luck!
I'm considering the Sig 357. Do you know much about that, eskimo?
As for the nay-sayers: It's about freedom. I'd rather live in a place where I can do what I want, provided I'm not violating the property rights of others.
-If you don't like it, move to . . . . Europe.-
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Actually a gun is designed to move a metallic object at high velocities in a relatively straight line. I'm sorry that you want to kill people with guns.
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Guns were definatly designed to kill people....perhaps the physics behind a gun were not...but such is the fate of many developments.
As for caliber, if you reload for yourself then .40 is the way to go, but you want to shoot one of each type that you're considering. The .40 can be a hot load in some pistols. I find the 9mm MUCH MORE comfortable to practice with than the .40, and since shot placement is everything, that's what I have stuck with. 9mm is cheap to reload OR buy loaded, but the .40 is really only economical if you're going to do it yourself. That may have changed in recent years, so it's just something to look at. As for stopping power, the difference between a hot 9mm round and a hot .40 is negligible, FBI studies to the contrary.
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Hot load? (sounds dirty...)
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Oh wait, this isn't a Counterstrike thread.
On a serious note, I have no experience with guns except with computer weapons.
<strong>And bullets are for..?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Killing Muslim terrorists.
Anyways, I recommend the Colt 1911A1 .45ACP or any of its clones. The knockdown power of the .45 is great and you can be like Magnum PI.
I had a Glock .40S&W. I liked it a bit, couldn't get used to the trigger safety at all. But they are among the easiest guns to strip and clean.
I would personally recommend a .357 as your first gun. You can shoot the cheaper .38 rounds out of it without any modification, and then shoot the more expensive .357 rounds out of it when you get used to it.
Careful now, Mac forums an' that