If this was Obama's meeting, I would hope that the attendees take whatever advice he had to offer and run AWAY from it. I'm sure this was an opportunity for Obama to disparage the companies for sitting on billions in cash reserves. It would be nice if Obama would take some advice from these industry leaders and get off the back of US businesses.
Now back to the more general feel of this thread. Here's hoping to a fully recovery for Steve.
Unlike you, quite quite a few of these leaders actually support the President on many issues (or Mr. Obama which ever correct title you prefer) including Steve. Having said that, let's leave politics out of this forum if at all possible. The point is Steve seems to be well enough to attend which is fabulous news.
yes i believe it is too. what bothers me is that no photo actually showing him with obama directly is out. it may and probably be that steve requested it. but i do find it odd that as big an icon as steve is isn't shown with the president.
yes i believe it is too. what bothers me is that no photo actually showing him with obama directly is out. it may and probably be that steve requested it. but i do find it odd that as big an icon as steve is isn't shown with the president.
new photo out! jobs clearly here! (or i should say 'there')
If this was Obama's meeting, I would hope that the attendees take whatever advice he had to offer and run AWAY from it. I'm sure this was an opportunity for Obama to disparage the companies for sitting on billions in cash reserves. It would be nice if Obama would take some advice from these industry leaders and get off the back of US businesses.
Now back to the more general feel of this thread. Here's hoping to a fully recovery for Steve.
Why? Don't you think that companies who make their profits in America have a bit of a responsibility to help the country? Don't these companies realize that if America is unemployed or underemployed that there will then be no market for most of their products here because no one can afford them? That the success of many companies, especially those in large cities or off highway ramps, is based in large part on the ability of employees to get to work using and living in the infrastructure paid for by taxpayers- roads, mass transit, sewers, local housing, cops, sanitation workers, public hospitals, etc?
I have always been opposed to the mantra that CEOs have a responsibility only to the stock holders. IMO, there should be a shared responsibility with shareholders, employees, customers and the society at large.
Large corporations used to care about their communities. Now, most don't give the slightest damn, partially because most corporations now sell to markets around the world. It's all about personal greed. I worked for large corporations from 1978 to 1996 and I always thought those corporations operated very ethically. But no more.
Corporations "cry wolf", but the fact is that in Q3 2010, U.S. firms earned profits at an annual rate of $1.659 trillion - the highest total since the government began keeping track over 60 years ago.
During WWII, U.S. corporations contributed 40% of all taxes paid. Now they contribute less than 7.5% of all tax receipts. In spite of the supposed 35% corporate tax rate, from 1996 to 2000, over 60% of American corporations reported no tax liability and over 71% of foreign corporations doing business in the U.S. reported no tax liability. And it's only gotten worse since and is one of the largest contributing factors to the sorry state of government finance.
Obama has not been on the back of U.S. businesses. If anything, both Republicans and Democrats have been kissing the ass of U.S. businesses for far too long. The financial firms are the perfect example: bailed out by the taxpayers and then they cry like little babies when it's suggested that maybe they shouldn't have paid out multi-million dollar bonuses that year. IMO, not one bonus should have been paid in any business that was bailed out until taxpayers were paid back. The Koch brothers simply think they shouldn't pay any taxes at all ever. The oil industry has been screaming to maintain its tax breaks, yet they're among the top most profitable companies in the world. Let's not do anything about rising healthcare costs, but let's keep giving Exxon-Mobil big tax breaks. That makes sense.
For a long time, the entire system has been rigged in favor of corporations and the rich. Stop believing all the hype - it's simply not true. With the income gap between rich and poor ever widening and the destruction of the middle-class, the U.S. is turning into a third-world country. They'll be the rich behind their gated communities and in their corporate parks and the poor and old will be begging in the streets (especially when the politicians are forced to destroy social security and medicare).
As a society, we seem more willing to lay off teachers (which is happening all across the country) than to remove a tax break for the rich that was always intended to expire. And Obama was very quick to cave on this.
And I say this as someone who has done pretty well (not Wall Street bonus-baby well, but okay.)
I live in NYC and even during the recession, there are simply too many people with too much money and rather than those people helping the economy, they're making NYC too expensive to live. The average price of an apartment in Manhattan is still over $1.4 million. I have no problem expecting those people to lose their tax break and for the highly profitable companies they work for to do some hiring and pay their fair share in taxes.
I didn't didn't see Microsoft on the invite list. I agree they shouldn't be, as they are not a innovation type tech company.
Good point. Who would have imagined a few years ago that a gathering of tech giants wouldn't include Gates or anyone from MS. How the mighty have fallen.
I wonder how much thought went into the seating arrangements at that event (probably a lot). Zuckerberg at Obama's right hand and Jobs at his left. Ellison directly across from him, and a bunch of other people with the cheap seats. Who are the two women?
Why? Don't you think that companies who make their profits in America have a bit of a responsibility to help the country? ...
They have a responsibility to obey the tax laws (as we all do). Do you personally forgo using tax-advantaged retirement options out of a sense of "responsibility?" I doubt it. I don't. Why would Apple or any company move money from foreign banks to US banks if the primary effect is having to pay taxes on that money? Again, I wouldn't do that.
Apple does enormous good for the country by being a successful, profitable producer of products we love and employer (directly and indirectly) of thousands of people. To ask them to not take tax laws into account when managing their finances is a bit much.
That would make a nice line in the Apple Annual Report: "We decided to repatriate $20 billion in liquid assets so we could pay billions of dollars in US taxes we otherwise wouldn't owe."
Thanks, I was curious about how he would be dressed. Since he only wears the black turtleneck and jeans, I wondered if he would dress up for the President. From that picture it's kind of ambiguous. It could be the turtleneck but it could also be a black dress shirt. Anyway, I would love to see any other picture people find, not because I want to pry into his health, but the psychology of Steve Jobs is interesting and I would like to know if he wore jeans and tennis shoes to meet the President.
can't stand that zuckerberg is to the right of the pres. what did he do? 'webmaster' with a lot of money.
He created something from nothing and became a billionaire. Its not like he was some rich kid that has billions when he started this and it was some pet project that made him some extra money. So if he stand the test of time he won't be any different then Steve Jobs.
Thanks, I was curious about how he would be dressed. Since he only wears the black turtleneck and jeans, I wondered if he would dress up for the President. From that picture it's kind of ambiguous. It could be the turtleneck but it could also be a black dress shirt. Anyway, I would love to see any other picture people find, not because I want to pry into his health, but the psychology of Steve Jobs is interesting and I would like to know if he wore jeans and tennis shoes to meet the President.
From the picture I think it IS the mock turtleneck Steve is wearing.... the way the sleeves are pushed up it doesn't look like rolled up dress shirt sleeves. That said it does appear to be a jacket draped over the back of his chair... so he dressed it up a bit. As to the jeans and NB running shoes... nothing definitive. Regardless I don't think Steve or any of the others made it onto the court to shoot some hoops with the Prez. Although THAT I would have paid money to see.
Edit: Looking at it again, a number of the other male attendees are tieless so I think Steve would go with his iconic look for sure. It appears Ellison is wearing his copycat turtleneck too under his blazer.
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If this was Obama's meeting, I would hope that the attendees take whatever advice he had to offer and run AWAY from it. I'm sure this was an opportunity for Obama to disparage the companies for sitting on billions in cash reserves. It would be nice if Obama would take some advice from these industry leaders and get off the back of US businesses.
Now back to the more general feel of this thread. Here's hoping to a fully recovery for Steve.
Unlike you, quite quite a few of these leaders actually support the President on many issues (or Mr. Obama which ever correct title you prefer) including Steve. Having said that, let's leave politics out of this forum if at all possible. The point is Steve seems to be well enough to attend which is fabulous news.
What the hell did Yahoo have to contribute at that meeting?
They're been pretty irrelevant for quite a while now.
Obama liked the name...
I believe this is Steve Jobs, beyond Obama's left shoulder, at Thursdays function.
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image..._obamazuck.jpg
Zuckerberg's being told by Obama, "You take any of my information you little bitch and, well, you've heard of the Secret Service, right?!".
I believe this is Steve Jobs, beyond Obama's left shoulder, at Thursdays function.
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image..._obamazuck.jpg
yes i believe it is too. what bothers me is that no photo actually showing him with obama directly is out. it may and probably be that steve requested it. but i do find it odd that as big an icon as steve is isn't shown with the president.
yes i believe it is too. what bothers me is that no photo actually showing him with obama directly is out. it may and probably be that steve requested it. but i do find it odd that as big an icon as steve is isn't shown with the president.
new photo out! jobs clearly here! (or i should say 'there')
http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiteho...5432/lightbox/
new photo out! jobs clearly here! (or i should say 'there')
http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiteho...5432/lightbox/
he does look a little thinner, but not as bad as some would suggest in that 'other' photo
If this was Obama's meeting, I would hope that the attendees take whatever advice he had to offer and run AWAY from it. I'm sure this was an opportunity for Obama to disparage the companies for sitting on billions in cash reserves. It would be nice if Obama would take some advice from these industry leaders and get off the back of US businesses.
Now back to the more general feel of this thread. Here's hoping to a fully recovery for Steve.
Why? Don't you think that companies who make their profits in America have a bit of a responsibility to help the country? Don't these companies realize that if America is unemployed or underemployed that there will then be no market for most of their products here because no one can afford them? That the success of many companies, especially those in large cities or off highway ramps, is based in large part on the ability of employees to get to work using and living in the infrastructure paid for by taxpayers- roads, mass transit, sewers, local housing, cops, sanitation workers, public hospitals, etc?
I have always been opposed to the mantra that CEOs have a responsibility only to the stock holders. IMO, there should be a shared responsibility with shareholders, employees, customers and the society at large.
Large corporations used to care about their communities. Now, most don't give the slightest damn, partially because most corporations now sell to markets around the world. It's all about personal greed. I worked for large corporations from 1978 to 1996 and I always thought those corporations operated very ethically. But no more.
Corporations "cry wolf", but the fact is that in Q3 2010, U.S. firms earned profits at an annual rate of $1.659 trillion - the highest total since the government began keeping track over 60 years ago.
During WWII, U.S. corporations contributed 40% of all taxes paid. Now they contribute less than 7.5% of all tax receipts. In spite of the supposed 35% corporate tax rate, from 1996 to 2000, over 60% of American corporations reported no tax liability and over 71% of foreign corporations doing business in the U.S. reported no tax liability. And it's only gotten worse since and is one of the largest contributing factors to the sorry state of government finance.
Obama has not been on the back of U.S. businesses. If anything, both Republicans and Democrats have been kissing the ass of U.S. businesses for far too long. The financial firms are the perfect example: bailed out by the taxpayers and then they cry like little babies when it's suggested that maybe they shouldn't have paid out multi-million dollar bonuses that year. IMO, not one bonus should have been paid in any business that was bailed out until taxpayers were paid back. The Koch brothers simply think they shouldn't pay any taxes at all ever. The oil industry has been screaming to maintain its tax breaks, yet they're among the top most profitable companies in the world. Let's not do anything about rising healthcare costs, but let's keep giving Exxon-Mobil big tax breaks. That makes sense.
For a long time, the entire system has been rigged in favor of corporations and the rich. Stop believing all the hype - it's simply not true. With the income gap between rich and poor ever widening and the destruction of the middle-class, the U.S. is turning into a third-world country. They'll be the rich behind their gated communities and in their corporate parks and the poor and old will be begging in the streets (especially when the politicians are forced to destroy social security and medicare).
As a society, we seem more willing to lay off teachers (which is happening all across the country) than to remove a tax break for the rich that was always intended to expire. And Obama was very quick to cave on this.
And I say this as someone who has done pretty well (not Wall Street bonus-baby well, but okay.)
I live in NYC and even during the recession, there are simply too many people with too much money and rather than those people helping the economy, they're making NYC too expensive to live. The average price of an apartment in Manhattan is still over $1.4 million. I have no problem expecting those people to lose their tax break and for the highly profitable companies they work for to do some hiring and pay their fair share in taxes.
new photo out! jobs clearly here! (or i should say 'there')
http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiteho...5432/lightbox/
... and sitting next to Obama... but to his left.
I didn't didn't see Microsoft on the invite list. I agree they shouldn't be, as they are not a innovation type tech company.
Good point. Who would have imagined a few years ago that a gathering of tech giants wouldn't include Gates or anyone from MS. How the mighty have fallen.
I wonder how much thought went into the seating arrangements at that event (probably a lot). Zuckerberg at Obama's right hand and Jobs at his left. Ellison directly across from him, and a bunch of other people with the cheap seats. Who are the two women?
he does look a little thinner, but not as bad as some would suggest in that 'other' photo
encouraging shot of him.
can't stand that zuckerberg is to the right of the pres. what did he do? 'webmaster' with a lot of money.
Why? Don't you think that companies who make their profits in America have a bit of a responsibility to help the country? ...
They have a responsibility to obey the tax laws (as we all do). Do you personally forgo using tax-advantaged retirement options out of a sense of "responsibility?" I doubt it. I don't. Why would Apple or any company move money from foreign banks to US banks if the primary effect is having to pay taxes on that money? Again, I wouldn't do that.
Apple does enormous good for the country by being a successful, profitable producer of products we love and employer (directly and indirectly) of thousands of people. To ask them to not take tax laws into account when managing their finances is a bit much.
That would make a nice line in the Apple Annual Report: "We decided to repatriate $20 billion in liquid assets so we could pay billions of dollars in US taxes we otherwise wouldn't owe."
... and sitting next to Obama... but to his left.
Thanks, I was curious about how he would be dressed. Since he only wears the black turtleneck and jeans, I wondered if he would dress up for the President. From that picture it's kind of ambiguous. It could be the turtleneck but it could also be a black dress shirt. Anyway, I would love to see any other picture people find, not because I want to pry into his health, but the psychology of Steve Jobs is interesting and I would like to know if he wore jeans and tennis shoes to meet the President.
encouraging shot of him.
can't stand that zuckerberg is to the right of the pres. what did he do? 'webmaster' with a lot of money.
Take solace in the fact that the President is left handed...
encouraging shot of him.
can't stand that zuckerberg is to the right of the pres. what did he do? 'webmaster' with a lot of money.
Orchestrated the current middle east revolutions.
encouraging shot of him.
can't stand that zuckerberg is to the right of the pres. what did he do? 'webmaster' with a lot of money.
He created something from nothing and became a billionaire. Its not like he was some rich kid that has billions when he started this and it was some pet project that made him some extra money. So if he stand the test of time he won't be any different then Steve Jobs.
Orchestrated the current middle east revolutions.
I think Twitter gets some of the credit also.
Thanks, I was curious about how he would be dressed. Since he only wears the black turtleneck and jeans, I wondered if he would dress up for the President. From that picture it's kind of ambiguous. It could be the turtleneck but it could also be a black dress shirt. Anyway, I would love to see any other picture people find, not because I want to pry into his health, but the psychology of Steve Jobs is interesting and I would like to know if he wore jeans and tennis shoes to meet the President.
From the picture I think it IS the mock turtleneck Steve is wearing.... the way the sleeves are pushed up it doesn't look like rolled up dress shirt sleeves. That said it does appear to be a jacket draped over the back of his chair... so he dressed it up a bit. As to the jeans and NB running shoes... nothing definitive. Regardless I don't think Steve or any of the others made it onto the court to shoot some hoops with the Prez. Although THAT I would have paid money to see.
Edit: Looking at it again, a number of the other male attendees are tieless so I think Steve would go with his iconic look for sure. It appears Ellison is wearing his copycat turtleneck too under his blazer.
I didn't didn't see Microsoft on the invite list. I agree they shouldn't be, as they are not a innovation type tech company.
Microsoft isn't based in the Bay Area, as all the other representatives were. Why would they be invited?
Microsoft isn't based in the Bay Area, as all the other representatives were. Why would they be invited?
As a courtesy?...