Exactly. Given that the iPhone on Verizon came out with "last years model" less than six months from the new model, I'm frankly surprised that the iPhone 4 did as well on Verizon as it did.
People are always saying this and I don't get their logic. It would imply that Apple is only able to sell the new model iPhone for 2 or 3 months after it comes out before everyone then waits for the new model.
The obvious reason is that the Verizon iPhone isn't selling that well.
Seems that most folks who really wanted the iPhone were willing to suffer with AT&T. Those who weren't bought an Android phone.
I don't believe most Verizon users have iPod touches.
Except that's not true. Every indication (i.e. preorders selling out, company statement) shows that sales for the VZW iphone was fine, and any difference from the sales of AT&T iphones was likely because it was an 8 month old phone to start with. It makes more sense that the people who have been sticking with verizon and not getting the iphone because AT&T is crap (in NY anyway) bought an ipod touch on the side and have a crappy feature phone for calls and texts. Those people would already have all the apps. Second, there was an earlier rumor showing that alot of new VZ activations were ex-android users. Finally, since most people who can afford an Ipod nowadays buys the ipod touch, why do you think VZW users wouldn't have one?
In my personal world... Heres what's up. I got three close friends who WANT a iPhone but need to wait for contracts to expire. 6 close friends upgraded or switched to i4 on launch day 4 others are waiting for upgrade dates to evolve, and 3 literally decided the day before Verizon launch to WAIT till June for iPhone 5. Oh and my 85 year old Aunt drove herself to a Verizon store on launch day replace her flip phone with the I4 because she could UPGRADE. A neighbor of mine stopped me yesterday cuz she wanted to show me her iPhone 4 on Verizon she just got.
If we're substituting anecdotes for facts, then I can definitively state that Android phones are outselling iPhones with at least a 3:1 ratio. I know six Android users, (my brother, his wife, 2 nephews and 2 nieces) and only two iPhone users (2 coworkers).
This is so unsurprising, I'm surprised it's even an article. Did anyone honestly expect that the Verizon iPhone would gain any kind of significant market share from Android users?
iPhones are beautiful and provide a smooth user experience, but they're drastically more limited when it comes to functionality. Some people will switch since they enjoy having smoother animations and screen transitions, but it's hard to turn one's back on Android's perfect notification system, true multi-tasking, and customization abilities.
Except that's not true. Every indication (i.e. preorders selling out, company statement) shows that sales for the VZW iphone was fine, and any difference from the sales of AT&T iphones was likely because it was an 8 month old phone to start with. It makes more sense that the people who have been sticking with verizon and not getting the iphone because AT&T is crap (in NY anyway) bought an ipod touch on the side and have a crappy feature phone for calls and texts. Those people would already have all the apps. Second, there was an earlier rumor showing that alot of new VZ activations were ex-android users. Finally, since most people who can afford an Ipod nowadays buys the ipod touch, why do you think VZW users wouldn't have one?
Those statistics about who was getting a Verizon iPhone were from 5 Apple stores. Most verizon customers either order online or at a Verizon store.
Seriously, any report claiming that 30% of iOS activations were former Android users on Verizon is FUD for the simple fact that a MAJORITY (Read, almost every single one of them) is still several months away from being eligible to upgrade, and that's assuming they got the original Droid phone on LAUNCH day.
The Average customer signs a 2 year contract to get a discounted price on a phone. Verizon lets those customer 20 months into the contract, or 4 months early. We haven't reached that date yet for launch day, much less the months that followed.
The only customers who get an "early" upgrade are primary (or single) lines on high value planes, ie, something other than the basic. There would also be the rare exception upgrade, the customer who got an upgrade early because of issues with their account/they're really bitchy on the phone. Even if every single one of these customers got an iphone ASAP, most would've pre-ordered, and annual upgrades can only typically be processed at premium retailers or corp locations, meaning the 30% number doesn't include many of them.
What does that leave? People who paid full retail, either for the iphone, or for the Android device they had before it. Full retail customers are still statistically highly unlikely for phones, which is why that claim is FUD.
the Verizon iPhone did very well for a launch day in February. Most likely sales will grow steadily as upgrades come up. You won't see an influx of former Android users (massive or otherwise) until at least this summer, when the first upgrades start coming up.
Edit: Not trying to attack you at all. I understand that most people don't understand how contracts work, especially if they don't have that carrier. It's just another example about how news outlets are dropping any hint of journalism in an effort to gain page views. Stuff like this and the "Verizon offering iphone only $20 unlimited texting plan" should never make it past an editor, especially on a tech site.
I'm the poster child for this scenario. Although a dedicated Apple user, I would not switch to AT&T for a variety of reasons, including the fact that sot everyone I talk to is on Verizon (and I didn't want them to have to use minutes to talk to me or vice a versa). I have owned an iPod Touch sine the 32 gig model came out. I waited patiently for the Verizon iPhone always believing it was just a matter of time and purchased one on launch day. I own a fair number of paid apps and have not yet purchased anything new. I will purchase new apps as I find apps that appeal to me.
The obvious reason is that the Verizon iPhone isn't selling that well.
Seems that most folks who really wanted the iPhone were willing to suffer with AT&T. Those who weren't bought an Android phone.
I don't believe most Verizon users have iPod touches.
Yes we do have iPods ....the application discussed in the article is a bad "index" or measuring stick...my family has 5 iPod touches, and this is our first iPhone...we bought 2...
Actually I think most VZ customers are still trying to figure out how to pay VZ to download things from their V-cast services. They probably were not smart enough to realize there was an App Store from Apple. They are so brain washed by VZ that you need to pay VZ if you want anything extra on your phone.
Really ? We never used the Verizon app store...maybe some of us are taking our time and not buying EVERY app out there....not brain washed by anyone, just like the quality and service VZ provides....
If we're substituting anecdotes for facts, then I can definitively state that Android phones are outselling iPhones with at least a 3:1 ratio. I know six Android users, (my brother, his wife, 2 nephews and 2 nieces) and only two iPhone users (2 coworkers).
Android is not "outselling" anyone....many of the offers are "buy one, get another one for free"...
like @adschaefer, I never got around to getting an iPhone, making do with a basic VZ phone, a 1st gen iPod touch and then an iPad. When I activated my VZ iPhone, I already had all the apps I routinely use, including the very useful Instapaper. Since acquiring an iPhone I've only added a couple of Iphone-specific apps, for scanning barcodes and documents; things I couldn't do with my iPod/iPad.
This is so unsurprising, I'm surprised it's even an article. Did anyone honestly expect that the Verizon iPhone would gain any kind of significant market share from Android users?
iPhones are beautiful and provide a smooth user experience, but they're drastically more limited when it comes to functionality. Some people will switch since they enjoy having smoother animations and screen transitions, but it's hard to turn one's back on Android's perfect notification system, true multi-tasking, and customization abilities.
Then why is it that EVERY Android user drools over what I can do on my iPhone? Why is that the apps on Android are all lower quality, less feature-rich, than on iOS?
Sure there are things you can do on Android you can't on iOS, but pretty much only the 2-3% of geeks use those and as such they do not count towards market realities.
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Exactly. Given that the iPhone on Verizon came out with "last years model" less than six months from the new model, I'm frankly surprised that the iPhone 4 did as well on Verizon as it did.
People are always saying this and I don't get their logic. It would imply that Apple is only able to sell the new model iPhone for 2 or 3 months after it comes out before everyone then waits for the new model.
Obviously that's not the case.
The obvious reason is that the Verizon iPhone isn't selling that well.
Seems that most folks who really wanted the iPhone were willing to suffer with AT&T. Those who weren't bought an Android phone.
I don't believe most Verizon users have iPod touches.
Except that's not true. Every indication (i.e. preorders selling out, company statement) shows that sales for the VZW iphone was fine, and any difference from the sales of AT&T iphones was likely because it was an 8 month old phone to start with. It makes more sense that the people who have been sticking with verizon and not getting the iphone because AT&T is crap (in NY anyway) bought an ipod touch on the side and have a crappy feature phone for calls and texts. Those people would already have all the apps. Second, there was an earlier rumor showing that alot of new VZ activations were ex-android users. Finally, since most people who can afford an Ipod nowadays buys the ipod touch, why do you think VZW users wouldn't have one?
In my personal world... Heres what's up. I got three close friends who WANT a iPhone but need to wait for contracts to expire. 6 close friends upgraded or switched to i4 on launch day 4 others are waiting for upgrade dates to evolve, and 3 literally decided the day before Verizon launch to WAIT till June for iPhone 5. Oh and my 85 year old Aunt drove herself to a Verizon store on launch day replace her flip phone with the I4 because she could UPGRADE. A neighbor of mine stopped me yesterday cuz she wanted to show me her iPhone 4 on Verizon she just got.
If we're substituting anecdotes for facts, then I can definitively state that Android phones are outselling iPhones with at least a 3:1 ratio. I know six Android users, (my brother, his wife, 2 nephews and 2 nieces) and only two iPhone users (2 coworkers).
iPhones are beautiful and provide a smooth user experience, but they're drastically more limited when it comes to functionality. Some people will switch since they enjoy having smoother animations and screen transitions, but it's hard to turn one's back on Android's perfect notification system, true multi-tasking, and customization abilities.
Except that's not true. Every indication (i.e. preorders selling out, company statement) shows that sales for the VZW iphone was fine, and any difference from the sales of AT&T iphones was likely because it was an 8 month old phone to start with. It makes more sense that the people who have been sticking with verizon and not getting the iphone because AT&T is crap (in NY anyway) bought an ipod touch on the side and have a crappy feature phone for calls and texts. Those people would already have all the apps. Second, there was an earlier rumor showing that alot of new VZ activations were ex-android users. Finally, since most people who can afford an Ipod nowadays buys the ipod touch, why do you think VZW users wouldn't have one?
Those statistics about who was getting a Verizon iPhone were from 5 Apple stores. Most verizon customers either order online or at a Verizon store.
Seriously, any report claiming that 30% of iOS activations were former Android users on Verizon is FUD for the simple fact that a MAJORITY (Read, almost every single one of them) is still several months away from being eligible to upgrade, and that's assuming they got the original Droid phone on LAUNCH day.
The Average customer signs a 2 year contract to get a discounted price on a phone. Verizon lets those customer 20 months into the contract, or 4 months early. We haven't reached that date yet for launch day, much less the months that followed.
The only customers who get an "early" upgrade are primary (or single) lines on high value planes, ie, something other than the basic. There would also be the rare exception upgrade, the customer who got an upgrade early because of issues with their account/they're really bitchy on the phone. Even if every single one of these customers got an iphone ASAP, most would've pre-ordered, and annual upgrades can only typically be processed at premium retailers or corp locations, meaning the 30% number doesn't include many of them.
What does that leave? People who paid full retail, either for the iphone, or for the Android device they had before it. Full retail customers are still statistically highly unlikely for phones, which is why that claim is FUD.
the Verizon iPhone did very well for a launch day in February. Most likely sales will grow steadily as upgrades come up. You won't see an influx of former Android users (massive or otherwise) until at least this summer, when the first upgrades start coming up.
Edit: Not trying to attack you at all. I understand that most people don't understand how contracts work, especially if they don't have that carrier. It's just another example about how news outlets are dropping any hint of journalism in an effort to gain page views. Stuff like this and the "Verizon offering iphone only $20 unlimited texting plan" should never make it past an editor, especially on a tech site.
The obvious reason is that the Verizon iPhone isn't selling that well.
Seems that most folks who really wanted the iPhone were willing to suffer with AT&T. Those who weren't bought an Android phone.
I don't believe most Verizon users have iPod touches.
Yes we do have iPods ....the application discussed in the article is a bad "index" or measuring stick...my family has 5 iPod touches, and this is our first iPhone...we bought 2...
Actually I think most VZ customers are still trying to figure out how to pay VZ to download things from their V-cast services. They probably were not smart enough to realize there was an App Store from Apple. They are so brain washed by VZ that you need to pay VZ if you want anything extra on your phone.
Really ? We never used the Verizon app store...maybe some of us are taking our time and not buying EVERY app out there....not brain washed by anyone, just like the quality and service VZ provides....
If we're substituting anecdotes for facts, then I can definitively state that Android phones are outselling iPhones with at least a 3:1 ratio. I know six Android users, (my brother, his wife, 2 nephews and 2 nieces) and only two iPhone users (2 coworkers).
Android is not "outselling" anyone....many of the offers are "buy one, get another one for free"...
This is so unsurprising, I'm surprised it's even an article. Did anyone honestly expect that the Verizon iPhone would gain any kind of significant market share from Android users?
iPhones are beautiful and provide a smooth user experience, but they're drastically more limited when it comes to functionality. Some people will switch since they enjoy having smoother animations and screen transitions, but it's hard to turn one's back on Android's perfect notification system, true multi-tasking, and customization abilities.
Then why is it that EVERY Android user drools over what I can do on my iPhone? Why is that the apps on Android are all lower quality, less feature-rich, than on iOS?
Sure there are things you can do on Android you can't on iOS, but pretty much only the 2-3% of geeks use those and as such they do not count towards market realities.