You people dont get it, do you. This movie is not about adolescent urges. This movie is not about blowing things up, abortion, or secrecy. If this is what you believe, then you completely missed the whole point of the entire movie.
Dont get me wrong, the scene at the end was great, as were the fight scenes, you really cant have an action/suspense movie without them, but there is more to it than that.
<strong>You people dont get it, do you. This movie is not about adolescent urges. This movie is not about blowing things up, abortion, or secrecy. If this is what you believe, then you completely missed the whole point of the entire movie.</strong><hr></blockquote>I noticed that you didn't explain what the movie actually IS about though. Care to take a stab at it?
You people dont get it, do you. This movie is not about adolescent urges. This movie is not about blowing things up, abortion, or secrecy. If this is what you believe, then you completely missed the whole point of the entire movie.
Dont get me wrong, the scene at the end was great, as were the fight scenes, you really cant have an action/suspense movie without them, but there is more to it than that.
BTW, Tyler says: Use Soap.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, if it WERE about blowing things up, I might like it more!
I'm just yanking chains. I had totally forgotten about the movie and someone had suggested I see it last year. So, this thread reminded me of that.
Though, I'm not a big Brad Pitt fan, except for the 12 monkeys. Or was it nine monkeys?
I have no preconceived notion about what this movie is about. EXCEPT I remember someone telling me something about SOAP, and that the ending was pretty screwed up.
A most excellent movie, I finally got around to watching it in the spring. I had to watch it three or four times over a few days. Very moving and meaningful.
Its a really great movie and a terrible movie in many of its implications.
I wish I could post all that I've written about it before.
I showed this movie when I taught a class on Death, Fascism kitsch and aestheticized politics.
It was perfect in that it represents the revolutionary coming into being of a neo-fascistic group pulled together by an anti-aesthetic aesthetic and a kitschy heroism of the image of violence and truth.
Also, make note of how the woman in the film represents what 'Jack" is truly afraid of, to the point that he creates an alter ego to be able to deal with it --intimacy, loss of control over emotions/body, and sex - - not "sport fuucking" that isn't real sex that's drama and aestheticized sex - - look again at the movie and how she represents castration and death -- as well as intimacy, which implies the former. How when whe first comes into the scene it is while he is saying something important . . . and his troubles that he is allready barely repressing really start to come to life.
Very smart movie, savvy and critical of the aesthetic which it best represents . . that aestheticized anti-commodity stance is shown to be dangerous and at the same time reveals so many truism . . . Tyler says some awsome stuff but does some truly stupid things . . . I mean after all, Osama Bin Laden probably kinda thinks like Tyler Durden.
You sound like those people a few years ago who hated the Simpsons because Bart disrespects his father and they are a family that is mean to each other and that some foul language is in the television show. There will always be people who take stuff at face value, and like someone else said, just don't get it.
You sound like those people a few years ago who hated the Simpsons because Bart disrespects his father and they are a family that is mean to each other and that some foul language is in the television show. There will always be people who take stuff at face value, and like someone else said, just don't get it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I might SOUND like one of those people, but I hold the Simpsons in very high respect. It's probably the funniest, most well written show ever.
I might SOUND like one of those people, but I hold the Simpsons in very high respect. It's probably the funniest, most well written show ever.</strong><hr></blockquote>
i dont know whether irony or hypocricy is the more appropriate word for this situation...
JRC, that is exactly the reason why I DID NOT want to see this movie when it first came out. But like someone else said, there is so much more to it. Between last Saturday and today (September 17th) I've watched the movie 4 times excluding the 2 times that I watched it with commentary (first with director's, second with actors). I'm taking a psychology class and I see so much of what I'm learning in this movie. You can't really say what this movie is about. I think the whole point was for the audience to interpret whatever they want to. Some people will say it is fascist and full of gratuitous violence and that is the whole movie...but I think that those people need to open up their eyes (like Jack says in the end "my eyes are open." ) because their is just SO MUCH to interpret in this movie that everyone is going to have a different opinion. The movie wasn't supposed to end in a neat little package, it left you thinking...and I loved that. It's unfortunate that people don't want to use their imagination when they go to the movies and still be able to have thoughts about the movie long after you first see it.
<strong>Also, make note of how the woman in the film represents what 'Jack" is truly afraid of, to the point that he creates an alter ego to be able to deal with it --intimacy, loss of control over emotions/body, and sex - - not "sport fuucking" that isn't real sex that's drama and aestheticized sex - - look again at the movie and how she represents castration and death -- as well as intimacy, which implies the former.</strong><hr></blockquote>Yeah, they did meet at the support group for men who were post-surgical testicular cancer, didn't they?
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Could you explain the relation between aesthetics and fascism you're referring to? I've read your references to it before, and didn't get it.
I thouhgt it used childish ways to prove its point; points that I think pfflam correctly interpreted. I saw it in my english comp class last semester, and I really felt that in the end, the truth of how durden was the other guy's alter ego wasn't so profound, in some ways it felt like a hack. Plus, it was made in the time when in hollywood, shocking endings were hip. The beginning was good, but once they started the fight club, I lost my interest.
But, i usually find myself on the other end of the spectrum when a highly publicized movie is discussed.
Don't get me started on how much of a terrible movie The Matrix was.
If you were from West Virginia, I might have to question your genetic makeup after reading that post.
Kidding. Fight Club was a love it - hate it kind of movie. Personally, while the endings was a little weak, I was floored by the alter-ego thing. It was a good plot device and if you watch again, you can see the director trying to give little hints here and there "For some reason, my first fight with Tyler came to mind".
I actually thought it was better pulled off in this movie than in a Beautiful Mind, even though that was a true story which in some ways makes it more compelling.
[quote] I actually thought it was better pulled off in this movie than in a Beautiful Mind, even though that was a true story which in some ways makes it more compelling. <hr></blockquote>
Although Fight Club is fictional, schizophrenia is not. Fight Club is much better the 2nd or even 3rd time you see it because you find out a lot more about Marla and Jack's/Tyler's relationship with everyone else in the movie. By the way, I just got the book yesterday and am about halfway through with it. It's MUCH smaller than I would have expected.
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"Whoa! Whoa! OK, OK, you are now firing at your imaginary friend and your 400 GALLONS OF NITROGLYCEREN!"
and in second place:
"I just wanted to destroy somthing beautiful"
Makes me want to run out and see it.
Oh. That's right. I've overcome adolescent urges.
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Oh. That's right. I've overcome adolescent urges.</strong><hr></blockquote>
you're better than anyone else who enjoys such a terrible movie...
<strong>I've never seen it. But it sounds like a very moral story. Blowing things up. Abortions. Secrecy.
Makes me want to run out and see it.
Oh. That's right. I've overcome adolescent urges.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You people dont get it, do you. This movie is not about adolescent urges. This movie is not about blowing things up, abortion, or secrecy. If this is what you believe, then you completely missed the whole point of the entire movie.
Dont get me wrong, the scene at the end was great, as were the fight scenes, you really cant have an action/suspense movie without them, but there is more to it than that.
BTW, Tyler says: Use Soap.
<strong>You people dont get it, do you. This movie is not about adolescent urges. This movie is not about blowing things up, abortion, or secrecy. If this is what you believe, then you completely missed the whole point of the entire movie.</strong><hr></blockquote>I noticed that you didn't explain what the movie actually IS about though. Care to take a stab at it?
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You people dont get it, do you. This movie is not about adolescent urges. This movie is not about blowing things up, abortion, or secrecy. If this is what you believe, then you completely missed the whole point of the entire movie.
Dont get me wrong, the scene at the end was great, as were the fight scenes, you really cant have an action/suspense movie without them, but there is more to it than that.
BTW, Tyler says: Use Soap.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, if it WERE about blowing things up, I might like it more!
I'm just yanking chains. I had totally forgotten about the movie and someone had suggested I see it last year. So, this thread reminded me of that.
Though, I'm not a big Brad Pitt fan, except for the 12 monkeys. Or was it nine monkeys?
I have no preconceived notion about what this movie is about. EXCEPT I remember someone telling me something about SOAP, and that the ending was pretty screwed up.
Again, 12 monkeys????
JRC
Best line: "I am Jack's total lack of concern."
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I wish I could post all that I've written about it before.
I showed this movie when I taught a class on Death, Fascism kitsch and aestheticized politics.
It was perfect in that it represents the revolutionary coming into being of a neo-fascistic group pulled together by an anti-aesthetic aesthetic and a kitschy heroism of the image of violence and truth.
Also, make note of how the woman in the film represents what 'Jack" is truly afraid of, to the point that he creates an alter ego to be able to deal with it --intimacy, loss of control over emotions/body, and sex - - not "sport fuucking" that isn't real sex that's drama and aestheticized sex - - look again at the movie and how she represents castration and death -- as well as intimacy, which implies the former. How when whe first comes into the scene it is while he is saying something important . . . and his troubles that he is allready barely repressing really start to come to life.
Very smart movie, savvy and critical of the aesthetic which it best represents . . that aestheticized anti-commodity stance is shown to be dangerous and at the same time reveals so many truism . . . Tyler says some awsome stuff but does some truly stupid things . . . I mean after all, Osama Bin Laden probably kinda thinks like Tyler Durden.
<strong>I've never seen it. But it sounds like a very moral story. Blowing things up. Abortions. Secrecy.
Makes me want to run out and see it.
Oh. That's right. I've overcome adolescent urges.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You sound like those people a few years ago who hated the Simpsons because Bart disrespects his father and they are a family that is mean to each other and that some foul language is in the television show. There will always be people who take stuff at face value, and like someone else said, just don't get it.
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You sound like those people a few years ago who hated the Simpsons because Bart disrespects his father and they are a family that is mean to each other and that some foul language is in the television show. There will always be people who take stuff at face value, and like someone else said, just don't get it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I might SOUND like one of those people, but I hold the Simpsons in very high respect. It's probably the funniest, most well written show ever.
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I might SOUND like one of those people, but I hold the Simpsons in very high respect. It's probably the funniest, most well written show ever.</strong><hr></blockquote>
i dont know whether irony or hypocricy is the more appropriate word for this situation...
And, sorry, JRC, but saying "Oh. That's right. I've overcome adolescent urges." is actually pretty childish... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
P.S. - Now I have to go buy the book!
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<strong>Also, make note of how the woman in the film represents what 'Jack" is truly afraid of, to the point that he creates an alter ego to be able to deal with it --intimacy, loss of control over emotions/body, and sex - - not "sport fuucking" that isn't real sex that's drama and aestheticized sex - - look again at the movie and how she represents castration and death -- as well as intimacy, which implies the former.</strong><hr></blockquote>Yeah, they did meet at the support group for men who were post-surgical testicular cancer, didn't they?
:cool:
Could you explain the relation between aesthetics and fascism you're referring to? I've read your references to it before, and didn't get it.
Fight Club was pretty good also. Probably not the type of movie I'd buy though, since I'm more of a sci-fi fan.
I still say Brad Pitt's best role was in 12 Monkeys.
I thouhgt it used childish ways to prove its point; points that I think pfflam correctly interpreted. I saw it in my english comp class last semester, and I really felt that in the end, the truth of how durden was the other guy's alter ego wasn't so profound, in some ways it felt like a hack. Plus, it was made in the time when in hollywood, shocking endings were hip. The beginning was good, but once they started the fight club, I lost my interest.
But, i usually find myself on the other end of the spectrum when a highly publicized movie is discussed.
Don't get me started on how much of a terrible movie The Matrix was.
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Kidding. Fight Club was a love it - hate it kind of movie. Personally, while the endings was a little weak, I was floored by the alter-ego thing. It was a good plot device and if you watch again, you can see the director trying to give little hints here and there "For some reason, my first fight with Tyler came to mind".
I actually thought it was better pulled off in this movie than in a Beautiful Mind, even though that was a true story which in some ways makes it more compelling.
Although Fight Club is fictional, schizophrenia is not. Fight Club is much better the 2nd or even 3rd time you see it because you find out a lot more about Marla and Jack's/Tyler's relationship with everyone else in the movie. By the way, I just got the book yesterday and am about halfway through with it. It's MUCH smaller than I would have expected.