$240 more than the iMac in that case but saves the hassle. There was one at just $70 more.
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Originally Posted by Lukeskymac
And let's not forget that the 21.5" LED IPS display isn't cheap.
You can get one for $200 now but if you plan to use it for desktop use then the iMac is going to be cheaper no question. It'll be easier to upgrade to an SSD with the laptop later though.
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Originally Posted by brucep
marvin 2 hours after reading your speed chart
i went and bought the highest end 15 in possible
3000 w. ed dis count
i can't breathe
now i need to sell m old 3.02 ghz 15 in 2 graphic chip model
It should be a great machine and last a while with the quad i7. If you get Applecare within a year, it will keep its resale value pretty well. The Geekbench score on these machines is very high for a laptop:
I think there will be more of a raising the bar on the Airs than a dramatic alteration in form factor for the Macbook Pro range. There needs to be a distinct difference between the two lines, otherwise why bothering carrying both.
I agree and hope we're both right. MacBook Pro's are finally offering desktop performance in an Apple portable; to gut them in the next revision and turn them into larger-screened Airs would be a damn shame.
It looks like that the battery life lasts about 5:25. I do wish Apple could bring more lightness and longer battery life into MBP. Under 2kg in weight, and ten hours of battery life would be a sweet spot for MBP.
check the article again:
"Ed. Note (3/2/11): After re-running our battery test twice, the MacBook Pro saw its endurance increase to 8 hours and 23 minutes."
$240 more than the iMac in that case but saves the hassle. There was one at just $70 more.
You can get one for $200 now but if you plan to use it for desktop use then the iMac is going to be cheaper no question. It'll be easier to upgrade to an SSD with the laptop later though.
It should be a great machine and last a while with the quad i7. If you get Applecare within a year, it will keep its resale value pretty well. The Geekbench score on these machines is very high for a laptop:
It does lack the black bezel but the screen is much clearer without the glare IMO. I do think it would be better if Apple added a black surround to the anti-glare model.
It does lack the black bezel but the screen is much clearer without the glare IMO. I do think it would be better if Apple added a black surround to the anti-glare model.
Black Ops would run under Windows/Bootcamp.
The high res matte they sent me had a black bezel .
the glossy looks so good . yes the glare or reflection is annoying at times ,
Mac tripper talked about it so much that i noticed the mirror like reflection on my MBP . And even on my TV i see it .
I do like the improvements with the new CPU, GPU and Thunderbolt. As an Artist who travels outside the studio I would of liked to have seen a few more changes:
1. Remove the Superdrive. I can?t recall the last time I used it or would even have need of it.
2. Replace the 2.5″ HDD/SSD with on board flash storage like the MacBook Air.
3. Increase battery life.
4. Reduce the number of ports. I like Thunderbolt and having redundancy but there are to many ports.
5. Make it thin but strong. Liquidmetal would help with this as well implementing 1 through 4.
My guess is that Apple will implement these design changes before the end of 2011, possibly September or October. In the past multiple times they have released a minor performance upgrade then later a major upgrade to the MacBook line in Q3 or Q4 of the same year. Having a powerful laptop is great but having one that is also extremely lite and has a long battery life is even better. The current uni-body design has been the same for several years which leads one to surmise that a redesign of the shell is imminent. So I'll be holding off on purchasing another MacBook Pro as I don't want to plunk down several grand twice in one year.
I agree with your opinions/predictions, EXCEPT....I think expecting the update to come in September a tad early. A major redesign of the MacBook pros where they drop the Optical drives will happen in January of 2012 at the earliest. IMHO.
But who knows.
Personally I can't wait. There is so much they can do with that space the OD takes up. extra flash storage, bigger battery... As well as making it lighter and thinner.
When the Macbook Airs were updated last, the tag line was "The FUTURE of the Macbooks". It's a not so subtle hint at where Steve Jobs wants the entire Mac line to go. Particularly the portable lines. Much like he did away with the floppy drives back in 1998.
It's only a matter of time. The seed has been planted. The writing is on the wall. Why else do you think Jobs refuses to put blue Ray drives in any of the macs? It's not because of licensing fees!!!
I think the Optical drives will stay on the iMacs and Mac Pros longer...but they will be phased out of the MacBook pros next.
I'm holding off on getting a 13" MacBook pro right now partly for this reason....but also to wait and see if the MacBook airs will get updated this summer with Sandy Bridge and thunderbolt.
It'll be interesting to see how they meld or differentiate the MacBook airs and the MacBook pros when the MacBook pros lose the optical drives too. Will Apple make the pros only slightly thinner and put more options inside? And keep a distinction between the two lines? Or will the MacBook airs get beefed up and become the new 13" MacBook pro?
Such a shame that Apple decided to hobble the 13" MacBook Pro with the pathetic intel integrated graphics chip.
They could easily have has the best line out ever of MacBooks, still at least the 15-17" MacBooks have everything a pro could desire.
My spanking new 15"MBP 2.3GHz is screaming fast . Borderline can be played at full graphic setting's while the nov 09 2 tip 15" version had some headaches laying the exact same game .
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Originally Posted by n42
on my 2.2ghz MBP 15" I can play TF2, SC2, WoW, and LFD2 all at max settings flawlessly. I have yet to install Windows and try out Bad Company 2.
I am very pleased.
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Originally Posted by solipsism
No AACS support for Blu-ray movie playback in SL or Lion. No change in the speed of the SuperDrive since 2007, I recall correctly. That’s a pretty long stagnation. I can’t see how we can not expect Apple to depreciate the ODD with the next case change.
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Originally Posted by melgross
It isn't hobbled. This is an entry level model. It's entry level model priced. GPU performance isn't worse than the previous model, and is slightly better. But the much faster system overall makes up for the lack of a separate GPU and memory.
If Apple added what you want, they would have had to charge more, and then you would be complaining about that.
The 13" model is a compromise for those who want, and need, a smaller, lighter machine, but who don't need that extra graphics performance. People who need seriously more power will buy the 15" which has it, and the larger, higher resolution screen they need with that power.
For the market the 13" is aimed at, it's plenty good enough.
Sorry MEL but so many people play games now and in 3 yrs this model will be a slow slow race car . THE PRO LABEL should be stripped off . The MBA seems like the real 13" entry model this year.
And in 2-3 yrs who nows how demanding graphic wise games may be ??
If you are a non-tech person and if you are not VERY careful about what you buy then this 13" MBP machine can be a nightmare for some one on a limited budjet and a crowded house of 10 to 14 yrs old gamers . TRUST ME on this one . Any product line-up should not have such a wide rift .
peace
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BUY the 15"MBP3.2GHz hi res glossy screen model .I am so happy.
It blows every screen i have ever seen outthe this world . TRON looked better than on my new MBP15 3.2GHz Than on my plasma TV
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on my 2.2ghz MBP 15" I can play TF2, SC2, WoW, and LFD2 all at max settings flawlessly. I have yet to install Windows and try out Bad Company 2.
I am very pleased.
what kind of fps are you getting?
I have a bto on the way.....its in anchorage now.....I'm checking airline ticket prices
Thanks for the advice. Though if I had extra $400 I'd probably settle for the 6490.
The 6490 MBP would be $600 more though. The refurb i5s are probably your best bet:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/FC...co=MTgwOTc3MTg
$240 more than the iMac in that case but saves the hassle. There was one at just $70 more.
And let's not forget that the 21.5" LED IPS display isn't cheap.
You can get one for $200 now but if you plan to use it for desktop use then the iMac is going to be cheaper no question. It'll be easier to upgrade to an SSD with the laptop later though.
marvin 2 hours after reading your speed chart
i went and bought the highest end 15 in possible
3000 w. ed dis count
i can't breathe
now i need to sell m old 3.02 ghz 15 in 2 graphic chip model
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSqifuILQQQ
Breaking 10,000 matches the i7 iMac and just falls short of the entry Mac Pro.
The 6750 doesn't drop below 30FPS playing Black Ops on high quality:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmQ8wOswUUE
Unlike the HD3000:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjBQgi4_J3c
Even just a 6490 + dual i7 would do. No HD 3000.
I think there will be more of a raising the bar on the Airs than a dramatic alteration in form factor for the Macbook Pro range. There needs to be a distinct difference between the two lines, otherwise why bothering carrying both.
I agree and hope we're both right. MacBook Pro's are finally offering desktop performance in an Apple portable; to gut them in the next revision and turn them into larger-screened Airs would be a damn shame.
Check out other's review about MBP 15".
http://www.laptopmag.com/review/lapt...11.aspx?page=1
It looks like that the battery life lasts about 5:25. I do wish Apple could bring more lightness and longer battery life into MBP. Under 2kg in weight, and ten hours of battery life would be a sweet spot for MBP.
check the article again:
"Ed. Note (3/2/11): After re-running our battery test twice, the MacBook Pro saw its endurance increase to 8 hours and 23 minutes."
That's pretty impressive.
The 6490 MBP would be $600 more though. The refurb i5s are probably your best bet:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/FC...co=MTgwOTc3MTg
$240 more than the iMac in that case but saves the hassle. There was one at just $70 more.
You can get one for $200 now but if you plan to use it for desktop use then the iMac is going to be cheaper no question. It'll be easier to upgrade to an SSD with the laptop later though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSqifuILQQQ
Breaking 10,000 matches the i7 iMac and just falls short of the entry Mac Pro.
The 6750 doesn't drop below 30FPS playing Black Ops on high quality:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmQ8wOswUUE
Unlike the HD3000:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjBQgi4_J3c
Even just a 6490 + dual i7 would do. No HD 3000.
sadly i screwed up
the high end MBP15IN came and went
they sent me a matte screen anti glare version
it looks like crap
i will re order today
black ops plays on ???
THANKS AGAIN
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they sent me a matte screen anti glare version
it looks like crap
It does lack the black bezel but the screen is much clearer without the glare IMO. I do think it would be better if Apple added a black surround to the anti-glare model.
black ops plays on ???
Black Ops would run under Windows/Bootcamp.
It does lack the black bezel but the screen is much clearer without the glare IMO. I do think it would be better if Apple added a black surround to the anti-glare model.
Black Ops would run under Windows/Bootcamp.
The high res matte they sent me had a black bezel .
the glossy looks so good . yes the glare or reflection is annoying at times ,
Mac tripper talked about it so much that i noticed the mirror like reflection on my MBP . And even on my TV i see it .
Any way to each his own i guess . Thank
ps I would love Black ops for mac
peace
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I do like the improvements with the new CPU, GPU and Thunderbolt. As an Artist who travels outside the studio I would of liked to have seen a few more changes:
1. Remove the Superdrive. I can?t recall the last time I used it or would even have need of it.
2. Replace the 2.5″ HDD/SSD with on board flash storage like the MacBook Air.
3. Increase battery life.
4. Reduce the number of ports. I like Thunderbolt and having redundancy but there are to many ports.
5. Make it thin but strong. Liquidmetal would help with this as well implementing 1 through 4.
My guess is that Apple will implement these design changes before the end of 2011, possibly September or October. In the past multiple times they have released a minor performance upgrade then later a major upgrade to the MacBook line in Q3 or Q4 of the same year. Having a powerful laptop is great but having one that is also extremely lite and has a long battery life is even better. The current uni-body design has been the same for several years which leads one to surmise that a redesign of the shell is imminent. So I'll be holding off on purchasing another MacBook Pro as I don't want to plunk down several grand twice in one year.
I agree with your opinions/predictions, EXCEPT....I think expecting the update to come in September a tad early. A major redesign of the MacBook pros where they drop the Optical drives will happen in January of 2012 at the earliest. IMHO.
But who knows.
Personally I can't wait. There is so much they can do with that space the OD takes up. extra flash storage, bigger battery... As well as making it lighter and thinner.
When the Macbook Airs were updated last, the tag line was "The FUTURE of the Macbooks". It's a not so subtle hint at where Steve Jobs wants the entire Mac line to go. Particularly the portable lines. Much like he did away with the floppy drives back in 1998.
It's only a matter of time. The seed has been planted. The writing is on the wall. Why else do you think Jobs refuses to put blue Ray drives in any of the macs? It's not because of licensing fees!!!
I think the Optical drives will stay on the iMacs and Mac Pros longer...but they will be phased out of the MacBook pros next.
I'm holding off on getting a 13" MacBook pro right now partly for this reason....but also to wait and see if the MacBook airs will get updated this summer with Sandy Bridge and thunderbolt.
It'll be interesting to see how they meld or differentiate the MacBook airs and the MacBook pros when the MacBook pros lose the optical drives too. Will Apple make the pros only slightly thinner and put more options inside? And keep a distinction between the two lines? Or will the MacBook airs get beefed up and become the new 13" MacBook pro?
Should be an interesting year.
Such a shame that Apple decided to hobble the 13" MacBook Pro with the pathetic intel integrated graphics chip.
They could easily have has the best line out ever of MacBooks, still at least the 15-17" MacBooks have everything a pro could desire.
My spanking new 15"MBP 2.3GHz is screaming fast . Borderline can be played at full graphic setting's while the nov 09 2 tip 15" version had some headaches laying the exact same game .
on my 2.2ghz MBP 15" I can play TF2, SC2, WoW, and LFD2 all at max settings flawlessly. I have yet to install Windows and try out Bad Company 2.
I am very pleased.
No AACS support for Blu-ray movie playback in SL or Lion. No change in the speed of the SuperDrive since 2007, I recall correctly. That’s a pretty long stagnation. I can’t see how we can not expect Apple to depreciate the ODD with the next case change.
It isn't hobbled. This is an entry level model. It's entry level model priced. GPU performance isn't worse than the previous model, and is slightly better. But the much faster system overall makes up for the lack of a separate GPU and memory.
If Apple added what you want, they would have had to charge more, and then you would be complaining about that.
The 13" model is a compromise for those who want, and need, a smaller, lighter machine, but who don't need that extra graphics performance. People who need seriously more power will buy the 15" which has it, and the larger, higher resolution screen they need with that power.
For the market the 13" is aimed at, it's plenty good enough.
Sorry MEL but so many people play games now and in 3 yrs this model will be a slow slow race car . THE PRO LABEL should be stripped off . The MBA seems like the real 13" entry model this year.
And in 2-3 yrs who nows how demanding graphic wise games may be ??
If you are a non-tech person and if you are not VERY careful about what you buy then this 13" MBP machine can be a nightmare for some one on a limited budjet and a crowded house of 10 to 14 yrs old gamers . TRUST ME on this one . Any product line-up should not have such a wide rift .
peace
9
BUY the 15"MBP3.2GHz hi res glossy screen model .I am so happy.
It blows every screen i have ever seen outthe this world . TRON looked better than on my new MBP15 3.2GHz Than on my plasma TV
Matte sucks .