I have no problem paying the bucks upfront for the hardware- I simply object to paying a minimum of $80 every month. A fully-featured iPhone with a Tracfone-like plan would be the ultimate in my book. I can wish...
Same here. Virgin Mobile. LG Optimus V ($130), unlimited text and data and 300 minutes for $25 a month. No contracts, no weird hidden fees.
I do have to say after living with Android and Google's 'ecosystem' for a while, it's a bit of a letdown from what I've been used to with iOS. Not enough of a letdown to justify $75 a month, however. There's a big opportunity for Apple here, especially in the youth market. If Sprint can afford to do what they are doing with Virgin and Boost without cannibalizing their contract business, there's a huge opportunity for other carriers to do the same. A midrange no-contract iPhone (ala 3GS) would be a big hit.
It would be great if Apple got someone to have a similar plan as Virgin Mobile. I've got the Samsung Instinct from Virgin Mobile.
PAYG is a huge market around the world. In the UK the iPhone models cost £428, £510, £612. Very few people on PAYG are willing to pay that for a phone no matter how cool it is. Cheaper android phones are cleaning up in the PAYG market hence their rapid growth. I know Apple has always avoided the low cost mass market segment but if they can build and sell a cheaper iPhone for the PAYG market I think they would see a huge return.
While the iPhone nano makes a lot of sense to me, the cost of the phone is not the problem but the data charges that go with a smart phone. And because I find it very unlikely apple is going to release a phone without the appstore ecosystem, this rumor is hard to believe.
IMO the only way an iPhone nano makes sense is if there is a wifi only option, or a data plan that is month to month like the iPad.
I disagree but only because I'm from the UK and things are slightly different. Over here we already have PAYG iPhones but they cost around £500. The data though isn't an issue as you get free data when you top up by £10 a month.
This all makes this theory make no sense at all either way it costs you about the same, but in general people perceive the contract option to be cheaper as you pay less upfront. Apart from a different form factor it's hard to see how you could offer the iPhone in a way to make it cheap without just dropping the price. Otherwise people will just go for the cheaper option.
It's not "for the rich". It's for those that value their time more than folks that have the innate need to micro-manage, and system-integrate their lives.
Cook, said today that Apple designs and smart thing to compete in the market for prepaid cell. It also said about the apple not released. handset.i good so I like that apple. has great potential.
Could you please rewrite this to have grammar? It would give us an incentive not to peg you as a spambot.
Apple under the direction of greatest visionary Steve Jobs and his team consistently bringing new products to the market starting iPod, iPhone and iPad. Apple in the last few years started winning the hearts of people by serving music, universal need and appeal to all humans in all cultures and then adding communication, again another universal need of all humans thru iPod, iPhone and iPad with context based user Interface that makes grand kids to grand parents to use with ease and in great design forms. Immaterial of the software and the purpose of the same, the physical product designs are so classy to look, touch and feel, people just like to have them, though masses feel that they are expensive, but work hard to save or earn to buy one anyway. That is way I call Apple has it own class called Mlass.
I hope more consumer product companies will emulate Apple and bring better designed products to the masses at a price points that makes sense to the masses. It makes sense for the rich to buy class products like custom made cloths, and furniture but mlass products are better than class products when they are technology based, as they are better made to exact standards and tested by the masses.
With the rumored introduction of low cost versions of Apple iPods, iPhones and iPads, Apple will truly appeal to the masses at one level down the pyramid of the economic classes, there by expanding their customer base in multiple times.
Just to differentiate and appeal to the rich, may be Apple will introduce designer edition devices with gold coated or silver, gold and platinum bands around the screen and possibly diamond (preferably man made and not blood diamond) studded home buttons and gold and diamond studded head phones, so that those who can afford will pay and feel good.
Essentially democratizing the internal technology and wrapping the same in great design with a touch of class differentiators makes Apple truly a Mlass company.
Just one more thing, I am hoping apple will introduce next week or soon after;
Grid computing UI and private cloud software for Mac mini servers so that a bunch a Mac minis can handle most corporate IT needs (shrink IT closet size and budget ten fold and increase security multiple times) to cement Apple?s adoption in corporate IT closet.
Thin line touch and no touch displays with iSight cameras to replace TVs as we know them with integrated docking for Apple TV or iPod or iPad.
Wishing, hoping and praying Mr. Jobs will get better soon.
Just to differentiate and appeal to the rich, may be Apple will introduce designer edition devices with gold coated or silver, gold and platinum bands around the screen and possibly diamond (preferably man made and not blood diamond) studded home buttons and gold and diamond studded head phones, so that those who can afford will pay and feel good.
I doubt you will ever see Apple do designer editions. They may offer premium products with better specs but that is about it.
I doubt you will ever see Apple do designer editions. They may offer premium products with better specs but that is about it.
The U2 iPod and 20th anniversary Macintosh might be seen as designer. Didn't they do a Harry Potter limited edition iPod too? Or was that a third party...?
an iPhone that can phone, or, a tracfone coupon voucher of sorts to compensate for the backup phone you're going to have to get...that is of course if you're serious about communications, as opposed to an overpriced gadget.
The original poster was talking about mobile PHONE (remember those) that ALSO has the ability to access the net using wi-fi as well but not with 3G/2G.
The only reason you're not getting his very straightforward point is your priggish insistence that the iPod touch does what he wants even though it clearly doesn't.
Hence your absurd statement that "an iPod touch is a wifi only iPhone" - it doesn't have a SIM card, GSM or CDMA radio, it's not an iPhone. A tiny clue to this effect might be the fact that Apple named and sold it as an "iPod touch" and not an "iPhone."
For the criminally obtuse, the definition of "phone" sought here is a device that is capable of receiving and making phone calls independent of VOIP/SIP capabilities. You know, like the old Motorola flip phones - or just about any PHONE created since the late 1800s.
That, as been pointed out, already exists. you need a voice only sim. There is nothing that Apple have to do. And I didnt know what he meant by a wifi only phone, because if it is a phone, it has to have as you said yourself "a SIM card, GSM or CDMA radio" . It's hardly obtuse to say that a phone is not wifi only, that it cant be by definition . If he said voice only, then he would have been clearer.
As for that, whats needed is a cheaper iPhone full stop. Then the PAYG card could be voice only, and the device works as a phone when out, and an internet device when at home, or within wifi.
I agree, but then I was arguing for the PAYG cheap iPhone. Thats all that is needed. It can be done now except the phones are too expensive for most PAYG users.
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I have no problem paying the bucks upfront for the hardware- I simply object to paying a minimum of $80 every month.
I agree and wish for something similar.
Same here. Virgin Mobile. LG Optimus V ($130), unlimited text and data and 300 minutes for $25 a month. No contracts, no weird hidden fees.
I do have to say after living with Android and Google's 'ecosystem' for a while, it's a bit of a letdown from what I've been used to with iOS. Not enough of a letdown to justify $75 a month, however. There's a big opportunity for Apple here, especially in the youth market. If Sprint can afford to do what they are doing with Virgin and Boost without cannibalizing their contract business, there's a huge opportunity for other carriers to do the same. A midrange no-contract iPhone (ala 3GS) would be a big hit.
It would be great if Apple got someone to have a similar plan as Virgin Mobile. I've got the Samsung Instinct from Virgin Mobile.
While the iPhone nano makes a lot of sense to me, the cost of the phone is not the problem but the data charges that go with a smart phone. And because I find it very unlikely apple is going to release a phone without the appstore ecosystem, this rumor is hard to believe.
IMO the only way an iPhone nano makes sense is if there is a wifi only option, or a data plan that is month to month like the iPad.
I disagree but only because I'm from the UK and things are slightly different. Over here we already have PAYG iPhones but they cost around £500. The data though isn't an issue as you get free data when you top up by £10 a month.
This all makes this theory make no sense at all either way it costs you about the same, but in general people perceive the contract option to be cheaper as you pay less upfront. Apart from a different form factor it's hard to see how you could offer the iPhone in a way to make it cheap without just dropping the price. Otherwise people will just go for the cheaper option.
It's not "for the rich". It's for those that value their time more than folks that have the innate need to micro-manage, and system-integrate their lives.
So poor people have the money for one? No.
While the iPhone nano makes a lot of sense to me, the cost of the phone is not the problem but the data charges that go with a smart phone.
In Ireland to buy a contract free iPhone 4 costs €600. That's $830. I have to assume you recognize that isn't inexpensive, yes?
Cook, said today that Apple designs and smart thing to compete in the market for prepaid cell. It also said about the apple not released. handset.i good so I like that apple. has great potential.
Could you please rewrite this to have grammar? It would give us an incentive not to peg you as a spambot.
I hope more consumer product companies will emulate Apple and bring better designed products to the masses at a price points that makes sense to the masses. It makes sense for the rich to buy class products like custom made cloths, and furniture but mlass products are better than class products when they are technology based, as they are better made to exact standards and tested by the masses.
With the rumored introduction of low cost versions of Apple iPods, iPhones and iPads, Apple will truly appeal to the masses at one level down the pyramid of the economic classes, there by expanding their customer base in multiple times.
Just to differentiate and appeal to the rich, may be Apple will introduce designer edition devices with gold coated or silver, gold and platinum bands around the screen and possibly diamond (preferably man made and not blood diamond) studded home buttons and gold and diamond studded head phones, so that those who can afford will pay and feel good.
Essentially democratizing the internal technology and wrapping the same in great design with a touch of class differentiators makes Apple truly a Mlass company.
Just one more thing, I am hoping apple will introduce next week or soon after;
Grid computing UI and private cloud software for Mac mini servers so that a bunch a Mac minis can handle most corporate IT needs (shrink IT closet size and budget ten fold and increase security multiple times) to cement Apple?s adoption in corporate IT closet.
Thin line touch and no touch displays with iSight cameras to replace TVs as we know them with integrated docking for Apple TV or iPod or iPad.
Wishing, hoping and praying Mr. Jobs will get better soon.
Goutham Surapaneni
Just to differentiate and appeal to the rich, may be Apple will introduce designer edition devices with gold coated or silver, gold and platinum bands around the screen and possibly diamond (preferably man made and not blood diamond) studded home buttons and gold and diamond studded head phones, so that those who can afford will pay and feel good.
I doubt you will ever see Apple do designer editions. They may offer premium products with better specs but that is about it.
I doubt you will ever see Apple do designer editions. They may offer premium products with better specs but that is about it.
The U2 iPod and 20th anniversary Macintosh might be seen as designer. Didn't they do a Harry Potter limited edition iPod too? Or was that a third party...?
But no, I don't see models with extra bling...
a phone?
an iPhone that can phone, or, a tracfone coupon voucher of sorts to compensate for the backup phone you're going to have to get...that is of course if you're serious about communications, as opposed to an overpriced gadget.
The original poster was talking about mobile PHONE (remember those) that ALSO has the ability to access the net using wi-fi as well but not with 3G/2G.
The only reason you're not getting his very straightforward point is your priggish insistence that the iPod touch does what he wants even though it clearly doesn't.
Hence your absurd statement that "an iPod touch is a wifi only iPhone" - it doesn't have a SIM card, GSM or CDMA radio, it's not an iPhone. A tiny clue to this effect might be the fact that Apple named and sold it as an "iPod touch" and not an "iPhone."
For the criminally obtuse, the definition of "phone" sought here is a device that is capable of receiving and making phone calls independent of VOIP/SIP capabilities. You know, like the old Motorola flip phones - or just about any PHONE created since the late 1800s.
That, as been pointed out, already exists. you need a voice only sim. There is nothing that Apple have to do. And I didnt know what he meant by a wifi only phone, because if it is a phone, it has to have as you said yourself "a SIM card, GSM or CDMA radio" . It's hardly obtuse to say that a phone is not wifi only, that it cant be by definition . If he said voice only, then he would have been clearer.
As for that, whats needed is a cheaper iPhone full stop. Then the PAYG card could be voice only, and the device works as a phone when out, and an internet device when at home, or within wifi.
I agree, but then I was arguing for the PAYG cheap iPhone. Thats all that is needed. It can be done now except the phones are too expensive for most PAYG users.