Apple still planning to include NFC e-wallet in next iPhone - rumor

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  • Reply 21 of 31
    davegeedavegee Posts: 2,765member
    If this means I can place an electronic order to Wendy's for a #2 plain no cheese and a large diet and consistently get my order without cheese I'm all over this feature. I mean you'd almost think PLAIN would do the trick but when one says plain NO cheese and still receiving cheese is just rude and it happens nearly 100% of the time to the point I no longer use the drive-up cause I know a 2nd visit to the window is all but a given...
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  • Reply 22 of 31
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    I find it hard to believe they wouldn't sell their own little box for the transaction. They can sell the Apple TV at a profit for $99. I think they could do the same with this box, and stores would buy them at that price.



    Wouldn't that constitute Apple entering the hardware side of the POS market? They'd have to introduce an entirely new product category (which I know isn't beyond them), only this time targeted directly at retailers. You really see Apple going that way? And would/should Apple really be responsible for providing that hardware (to build the infrastructure for NFC themselves)?



    I've read posts here from people in Japan that NFC on mobiles is pretty common there. How does the system work there?
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  • Reply 23 of 31
    xsuxsu Posts: 401member
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    I find it hard to believe they wouldn't sell their own little box for the transaction. They can sell the Apple TV at a profit for $99. I think they could do the same with this box, and stores would buy them at that price.



    They already sell those boxes. They are called iPhone and iPad. Once this is available, it'll be integrated in new models in existing product lines, and probably available as an accessery for older models.
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  • Reply 24 of 31
    chronsterchronster Posts: 1,894member
    It would make sense for them to! It's definitely the future. A very logical function.



    I just find it absolutely hilarious how on the other rumor thread, the haters were bitching, while the fanboys were making excuses for Apple, all before anything was even confirmed.



    I still think it's possible that Apple will come up with their own standard lol
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  • Reply 25 of 31
    charlitunacharlituna Posts: 7,217member
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    I hope NFC isn't "the" feature of the next iPhone. i like the idea, but support from vendors might be scant in the beginning.



    Well sure. Vendors don't want to spend money on something folks can't use.



    But there is some support and I think that is where Apple will point their focus. Gas stations fast pay, metro tap cards etc. They make not link to credit card systems yet cause as they said, there are multiple styles right now. And they don't want to be HD while the world goes blu-ray
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  • Reply 26 of 31
    macinthe408macinthe408 Posts: 1,050member
    After this report, I heard that they're not.
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  • Reply 27 of 31
    blah64blah64 Posts: 993member
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    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post


    For sure, shouter.



    Yay, I was heard by at least one person! ;-)



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    Apple always provides options for this stuff. Always.



    Nope, not always. Tell me how to disable the GPS on an iPhone? It's one thing to restrict 3rd party access, but as I understand it, Apple has access to that data 24/7. As well as the telcos, but that's impossible to avoid.



    There's no way to block outgoing network traffic, ala Little Snitch, and Apple doesn't look like they're going to approve that kind of app. This is an even bigger problem, and it's not getting enough attention.



    I do not trust that any NFC will be completely disable-able until the devices are in our hands and tested by outsiders.
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  • Reply 28 of 31
    irelandireland Posts: 17,802member
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    Nope, not always. Tell me how to disable the GPS on an iPhone? It's one thing to restrict 3rd party access, but as I understand it, Apple has access to that data 24/7. As well as the telcos, but that's impossible to avoid.



    Why are so concerned about this? The telcos, as you call them, don't need GPS to find out where you are. If you are so paranoid about it you've two choices, turn on Airplane mode or don't buy a phone, not even a feature phone.
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  • Reply 29 of 31
    blah64blah64 Posts: 993member
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    Why are so concerned about this?



    The question is: how can anyone NOT be concerned about this (as a general topic, not as this specific feature as implemented on iPhones). I'll post this cartoon again, because it's so apropos and seems to register better with people than mere words.









    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post


    The telcos, as you call them, don't need GPS to find out where you are. If you are so paranoid about it you've two choices, turn on Airplane mode or don't buy a phone, not even a feature phone.



    In fact, I don't own an iPhone, and won't purchase one until/unless issues like these are resolved. Especially the rampant phoning-home. This can kind of be solved by jailbreaking and installing a 3rd party app similar to Little Snitch, but that's a dicey path to start down.



    But you bring up a good point about Airplane Mode, so I did a little research. It looks like Apple does in fact disable GPS when in Airplane Mode, but it's not a requirement, and other manufacturers choose not do so (so Apple could change that at any time). But at that point your device has essentially been neutered from any communication whatsoever. Not a great choice.



    As consumers, we should all be demanding the ability to decide and control what information is sent out from our connected devices. This becomes more and more important as the devices become more and more tightly bound to our whereabouts and personas. Right now it's like the wild west, where anything goes and "consumer beware!".
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  • Reply 30 of 31
    splinemodelsplinemodel Posts: 7,311member
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    Unless the purchase is being made with a VISA app.



    Let me get one thing straight here tho guys, NFC already exists... it's called Bluetooth, oh and WiFi.



    Near. Field. Communications.



    101:



    Bluetooth and WiFi are far field technologies. Far field radio falloff is basically 1/r (r = radius away). NFC is more like (1/r^2). This is important because it allows the field to be confined rather sharply. It also keeps the range low.



    NFC is also passive-event-driven, so when its idle the chip is only using enough power to keep its memory alive. This is usually like 2 microwatts. Bluetooth in constant listen mode (where it can be active-event-driven) is more like 80 milliwatts, and WiFi is higher still. In fact, there is a lot of work being done these days to engineer active, far field complements to NFC, for low latency, low rate, long range comms because bluetooth and WiFi are so bad at these things that not even the fact that they already exist in many phones (most, for Bluetooth) is enough to make up for their problems in such applications.
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  • Reply 31 of 31
    splinemodelsplinemodel Posts: 7,311member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Blah64 View Post


    The question is: how can anyone NOT be concerned about this (as a general topic, ...

    As consumers, we should all be demanding the ability to decide and control what information is sent out from our connected devices. This becomes more and more important as the devices become more and more tightly bound to our whereabouts and personas. Right now it's like the wild west, where anything goes and "consumer beware!".



    Blame government. They are the ones responsible for E911, not the handset builders or the carriers. As for NFC phone payments, they are basically a billion times more secure than using a typical, american credit card. Also, blame US government on this one, too, because they continue to insure and bail-out banks that should be investing in smartcards, NFC, and other forms of payment that aren't so fraud-prone. Hard to believe given the stereotypical consumerism of the american, but the EU is possibly 10-20 years ahead of us in regard to having a government that supports consumer privacy and anti-fraud.
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