You mean we have two telecoms who meet in a room and collude over pricing and features for customer plans.
You mean tens of thousands spent so that we can have 4GB bandwidth caps to render streaming video pointless in the first place, right?
Bingo JD UNIPHASE laid underground thousand of unlit miles of fiber optic wire .
When they found out how expensive it was to
light all that dark wire and also that the data can now be compressed a thousand to one making impossible to ever fill ll that fiber ..JD uni... SANK FROM $95 A SHARE TO $5 A SHARE
yrs pass by -fiber cables remained, hidden, dark.
TODAY
All that fiber is now being lighted and we still need more because of hulu netflix fios etc etc etc streaming
high content live hd 3d movies world wide.And every million iphone ipads and zunes that sell only add to the data crush . Apple data farms will sprout up by the dozen soon I hope .
I watched a perfect 20 minutes today in Bryant Park NYC of CNN war time in libya . My iphone screen was spot on perfect.
MY MBP 15 HI RES was even better.
In the rain
in the park . By 47 street the signal was in buffer mode , screen was flickering I then switched and
played back a 99cent apple rented movie .
Typical ny day
Look my friend we have some great new toys that over power the system's that we give money every day to to feed our brand new apple toys .And then they called me a data hog
...the data can now be compressed a thousand to one making impossible to ever fill ll that fiber...
Impossible? No such thing. I consider that a challenge to be accepted. It's future-proofing the network?something that I've never read anyone else has done. I'd've bought the stock simply because they did the right thing, and even if the current management didn't understand that, eventually someone will be put in charge that can market those advantages properly.
Impossible? No such thing. I consider that a challenge to be accepted. It's future-proofing the network?something that I've never read anyone else has done. I'd've bought the stock simply because they did the right thing, and even if the current management didn't understand that, eventually someone will be put in charge that can market those advantages properly.
sorry it took yrs to truly fill and or turn on all that fiber laid yrs ago
one thing that happened was a 15 yr old SW designer invented a compression software that gave us a 100 to 1 reduction . So JD UNIPHASE having laid all that fiber could not get a fair return for all that money it spent making fiber highways . Worse yet the software solutions went from100 to 1 to 100O to 1 .
of course to day with HD content all of it is getting filled .
All I am going to say is expect the unexpected. I have a feeling this will happen quickly. Some back channel persuation will be done and instead of a year the approval will come in months and "tmobile" will have iphone 5. Thats my feeling.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
It will be. ATT will make some 'concessions' by promising to roll out 4G quickly and to provide extra resources for services to 'rural' areas, and everyone go home happy.
Well I think the only issues is whether the merger would be considered monopolistic, and in the end I don't think the SEC will see it as that and let them be. Which is nice cause i REALLY want 3G on my T-Mobile iPhone
If said merger is approved . Any one can then walk in any brand>newly named tmob/att store and buy a iphone.
The Pimple faced clerk justs signs the buyer up and thats that . No one asks about what system they want unless their from Canada. ATT is also buying T-Mobile'S customer BASE also . THEY MAY want to sell to those dudes to cover the 40 billion they just spent.
So for all you nay sayers one mo time .
You walk into a T-Mobile store and buy a iphone . You pay .You leave with AN iphone and the girl .
The fact that is may not run on aT-Mobile system is MOOT .
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The only problem with that is that even though ATT OWNS T-Mobile and said Customer base T-Mobile is still a separate company from ATT so you couldn't just walk into an ATT store and get an iPhone for T-Mobile at least not for the first year or two. The cool part will be that if you have an iPhone on T-Mobile and its Jailbroken and Unlocked it will use the ATT 3G service as the company's have said all phones will share each others networks.
Sure, my first point is conjecture, but what's incorrect about the second?
Because it doesn't make sense. Early on, it was though the Internet would expand faster than it did, and then we had the crunch of 1999-2000, where there was plenty of unused fiber. But the Internet has expanded much faster since then. So much so that we've runout of IP4v addresses, and are moving to IP6v.
If anyone thinks that the backbone companies aren't trying to expand their bandwidth as fast as possible doesn't know what competition is. It costs tens of billions to do this though, and so it takes time. This isn't a science fiction novel or movie when something invented on Monday sees widespread use a month later. It takes years. These big companies have budgets, just like everyone else. They plan these things years in advance. The money has to come from somewhere, and it comes from their customers, as it must. The iPhone started a major expansion of Internet use which succeeding phones from other companies have exacerbated. Now tablets are making it worse. It's not slowing down any time soon. There just isn't enough bandwidth available, and that's especially a problem for cell usage, where unlike a fixed optical line, there's only so much available in radio frequencies.
These companies don't want to limit the use we put our devices to, but they don't seem to have a choice now. In a perfect world, bandwidth would be infinite. We would never have data caps, and it would be really cheap, if not free. But it's not a perfect world, and we have to suffer with the limitations.
We're in a very early stage of use of these technologies, and so growth is very rapid. Too rapid for the companies to keep up. At some time in the future, when everyone has all the devices they will get, and usage becomes leveled off, then bandwidth will catch up. But that could be 50 years from now, or more! Until then, it will be a race between users who want more for less, and companies who are trying to keep up, somewhat unsuccessfully, and so need data caps, slowdowns, and pricing to discourage more usage, and to pay for expansion.
I know that what I've said is an unpopular reading of the situation, but If people slow down for a minute, and think it out, they'll understand that what I'm saying is right.
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No, neither of those statements you've made are right. Bruce was right this time.
Sure, my first point is conjecture, but what's incorrect about the second?
You mean we have two telecoms who meet in a room and collude over pricing and features for customer plans.
You mean tens of thousands spent so that we can have 4GB bandwidth caps to render streaming video pointless in the first place, right?
Bingo JD UNIPHASE laid underground thousand of unlit miles of fiber optic wire .
When they found out how expensive it was to
light all that dark wire and also that the data can now be compressed a thousand to one making impossible to ever fill ll that fiber ..JD uni... SANK FROM $95 A SHARE TO $5 A SHARE
yrs pass by -fiber cables remained, hidden, dark.
TODAY
All that fiber is now being lighted and we still need more because of hulu netflix fios etc etc etc streaming
high content live hd 3d movies world wide.And every million iphone ipads and zunes that sell only add to the data crush . Apple data farms will sprout up by the dozen soon I hope .
I watched a perfect 20 minutes today in Bryant Park NYC of CNN war time in libya . My iphone screen was spot on perfect.
MY MBP 15 HI RES was even better.
In the rain
in the park . By 47 street the signal was in buffer mode , screen was flickering I then switched and
played back a 99cent apple rented movie .
Typical ny day
Look my friend we have some great new toys that over power the system's that we give money every day to to feed our brand new apple toys .And then they called me a data hog
ha
peace
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...the data can now be compressed a thousand to one making impossible to ever fill ll that fiber...
Impossible? No such thing. I consider that a challenge to be accepted. It's future-proofing the network?something that I've never read anyone else has done. I'd've bought the stock simply because they did the right thing, and even if the current management didn't understand that, eventually someone will be put in charge that can market those advantages properly.
Impossible? No such thing. I consider that a challenge to be accepted. It's future-proofing the network?something that I've never read anyone else has done. I'd've bought the stock simply because they did the right thing, and even if the current management didn't understand that, eventually someone will be put in charge that can market those advantages properly.
sorry it took yrs to truly fill and or turn on all that fiber laid yrs ago
one thing that happened was a 15 yr old SW designer invented a compression software that gave us a 100 to 1 reduction . So JD UNIPHASE having laid all that fiber could not get a fair return for all that money it spent making fiber highways . Worse yet the software solutions went from100 to 1 to 100O to 1 .
of course to day with HD content all of it is getting filled .
sorry for mis speaking
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All I am going to say is expect the unexpected. I have a feeling this will happen quickly. Some back channel persuation will be done and instead of a year the approval will come in months and "tmobile" will have iphone 5. Thats my feeling.
It will be. ATT will make some 'concessions' by promising to roll out 4G quickly and to provide extra resources for services to 'rural' areas, and everyone go home happy.
Well I think the only issues is whether the merger would be considered monopolistic, and in the end I don't think the SEC will see it as that and let them be. Which is nice cause i REALLY want 3G on my T-Mobile iPhone
oK GLOVES OFF TIME
THIS ARTICLE misses the real point ,
If said merger is approved . Any one can then walk in any brand>newly named tmob/att store and buy a iphone.
The Pimple faced clerk justs signs the buyer up and thats that . No one asks about what system they want unless their from Canada. ATT is also buying T-Mobile'S customer BASE also . THEY MAY want to sell to those dudes to cover the 40 billion they just spent.
So for all you nay sayers one mo time .
You walk into a T-Mobile store and buy a iphone . You pay .You leave with AN iphone and the girl .
The fact that is may not run on aT-Mobile system is MOOT .
9
The only problem with that is that even though ATT OWNS T-Mobile and said Customer base T-Mobile is still a separate company from ATT so you couldn't just walk into an ATT store and get an iPhone for T-Mobile at least not for the first year or two. The cool part will be that if you have an iPhone on T-Mobile and its Jailbroken and Unlocked it will use the ATT 3G service as the company's have said all phones will share each others networks.
Sure, my first point is conjecture, but what's incorrect about the second?
Because it doesn't make sense. Early on, it was though the Internet would expand faster than it did, and then we had the crunch of 1999-2000, where there was plenty of unused fiber. But the Internet has expanded much faster since then. So much so that we've runout of IP4v addresses, and are moving to IP6v.
If anyone thinks that the backbone companies aren't trying to expand their bandwidth as fast as possible doesn't know what competition is. It costs tens of billions to do this though, and so it takes time. This isn't a science fiction novel or movie when something invented on Monday sees widespread use a month later. It takes years. These big companies have budgets, just like everyone else. They plan these things years in advance. The money has to come from somewhere, and it comes from their customers, as it must. The iPhone started a major expansion of Internet use which succeeding phones from other companies have exacerbated. Now tablets are making it worse. It's not slowing down any time soon. There just isn't enough bandwidth available, and that's especially a problem for cell usage, where unlike a fixed optical line, there's only so much available in radio frequencies.
These companies don't want to limit the use we put our devices to, but they don't seem to have a choice now. In a perfect world, bandwidth would be infinite. We would never have data caps, and it would be really cheap, if not free. But it's not a perfect world, and we have to suffer with the limitations.
We're in a very early stage of use of these technologies, and so growth is very rapid. Too rapid for the companies to keep up. At some time in the future, when everyone has all the devices they will get, and usage becomes leveled off, then bandwidth will catch up. But that could be 50 years from now, or more! Until then, it will be a race between users who want more for less, and companies who are trying to keep up, somewhat unsuccessfully, and so need data caps, slowdowns, and pricing to discourage more usage, and to pay for expansion.
I know that what I've said is an unpopular reading of the situation, but If people slow down for a minute, and think it out, they'll understand that what I'm saying is right.