Apple is the only outfit that can do a stylus for ipad that can be as close to writing on paper as possible.
who wants a stylus to writing? Drawing, maybe. But show me someone who can write faster by hand than can type on a keyboard. It's not worth the effort to develop/implement truly good handwriting recognition software.
Actually, netbooks are still enjoying double-digit growth, as they have every year since they were introduced. In the last year alone, while those who get their news from Mac sites kept saying netbooks are dying, the rate of growth was more than 28% - more than double the rate of growth for traditional laptops like the kind Apple sells:
Sure, the new kid on the block, the tablet form factor, is growing at a much faster rate, and so the rate of growth for netbooks is lower than it was in its former peak as the leading sector. But don't be misled by the Diglers of the world: the fact is that there is indeed a place for netbooks, as their ever-increasing sales clearly demonstrate.
Just because Apple customers don't have one doesn't mean no one else does either. It's a big world out there beyond the Apple store.
I'll never understand why so many of Apple fans believe that the whole world has to buy only what they buy....
That 28% rise is an estimate for '11, by one analyst. Another (IDC) predicts actual declines in worldwide unit sales and reports that unit sales for the '10 holiday quarter the US declined 34% YoY.
I think when they tally up the numbers for 2011 we'll see real declines in netbooks unit sales, not just loss of market share.
No mater how you slice it, a lot of people enjoy netbooks. Just not those who shop at Apple stores. But the other 90% of the world? A good many of those folks like 'em.
People who shop at Apple stores enjoy netbooks?perhaps you've heard of the MacBook Air? Or is that not a netbook because it costs more than $200 or will last more than a year? Or is it because it's capable of actually running the OS installed on it without burning up?
People who shop at Apple stores enjoy netbooks?perhaps you've heard of the MacBook Air? Or is that not a netbook because it costs more than $200 or will last more than a year? Or is it because it's capable of actually running the OS installed on it without burning up?
It?s not a netbook because it?s not running a slow CPU like Atom that can barely get it access to the net. It?s an ultra-portable ultra-slim notebook categories.
Good link - the chart there shows current actual netbook sales being more than twice that of tablets, with a gentle slope downward contrasting with their meteoric rise over the last several years:
Unless I'm misreading it, the chart appears to show end of 2010 tallies for yearly sales, rather than current sales. I think it's pretty predictable that we're well into that sharp rise at the moment.
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Sure, no trend lasts forever. But netbooks have had a very solid run, and while some analysts project continued growth even the naysayers, such as you managed to turn up, expect unit sales continuing in the tens of millions of units well beyond the end of the year.
The trouble being that unit sales in the tens of millions, tapering off and increasingly to less affluent markets, doesn't mean much in a world of hundreds of millions and rising tablet sales.
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No mater how you slice it, a lot of people enjoy netbooks. Just not those who shop at Apple stores. But the other 90% of the world? A good many of those folks like 'em.
I slice it this way: tablet sales are in the process of totally eclipsing netbooks sales, which is remarkable given the response to the iPad at release and the very recent notions of how netbooks were set to take over the world.
I'll say that again: until a little over a year ago, many many pundits were certain that netbooks represented the future of mobile computing, that Apple had no response, and even after the release of the iPad that it was no more than a curiosity, doomed to niche status.
And here we are. I'm not even sure what you think you're arguing for, but the fact that netbooks will retain some residual sales for a while doesn't change anything. And I have no idea why you think this all has to do with Apple people and their blinkeredness, since the facts are there for anyone to see.
I'll say that again: until a little over a year ago, many many pundits were certain that netbooks represented the future of mobile computing, that Apple had no response, and even after the release of the iPad that it was no more than a curiosity, doomed to niche status.
And here we are. I'm not even sure what you think you're arguing for, but the fact that netbooks will retain some residual sales for a while doesn't change anything. And I have no idea why you think this all has to do with Apple people and their blinkeredness, since the facts are there for anyone to see.
Here is how David Pogue opened up his iPad 2 review?
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?An utter disappointment and abysmal failure? (Orange County Web Design Blog). ?Consumers seem genuinely baffled by why they might need it? (Businessweek). ?Insanely great it is not? (MarketWatch). ?My god, am I underwhelmed? (Gizmodo).
People like MacRulez have gone from ?it will never sell, netbooks are superior in every way? to ?so what if the tablet market is bigger, some people obviously like them since there sales are greater than zero.?
While I haven't heard of this MacDonald's you speak of, all companies had bad times when they transitioned from CEOs of one vision to another. McDonalds in particular had several years where they were trying to re-invent themselves (90's).
I believe he is referring to the MacDonald's that Eddie Murphy works at in the movie Coming to America
Actually, netbooks are still enjoying double-digit growth, as they have every year since they were introduced. In the last year alone, while those who get their news from Mac sites kept saying netbooks are dying, the rate of growth was more than 28% - more than double the rate of growth for traditional laptops like the kind Apple sells:
That is a hopeful projection. The trend is clear.
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Sure, the new kid on the block, the tablet form factor, is growing at a much faster rate, and so the rate of growth for netbooks is lower than it was in its former peak as the leading sector. But don't be misled by the Diglers of the world: the fact is that there is indeed a place for netbooks, as their ever-increasing sales clearly demonstrate.
The iPad is selling in a way that netbooks never did. Netbooks did not grow a developer community around them. Sales projections of the iPad completely blow away projections of all netbooks combined. A hugely growing developer community is spurring around the iPad.
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I'll never understand why so many of Apple fans believe that the whole world has to buy only what they buy....
I don't see what being an Apple user has to do with acknowledging the uselessness of netbooks. I would still feel that way if i were a Windows user.
Focus on better quality design, fewer product categories, fewer periodic updates of new products... people will always remember, respect and cherish a well refined product.
Actually, netbooks are still enjoying double-digit growth, as they have every year since they were introduced. In the last year alone, while those who get their news from Mac sites kept saying netbooks are dying, the rate of growth was more than 28% - more than double the rate of growth for traditional laptops like the kind Apple sells:
Sure, the new kid on the block, the tablet form factor, is growing at a much faster rate, and so the rate of growth for netbooks is lower than it was in its former peak as the leading sector. But don't be misled by the Diglers of the world: the fact is that there is indeed a place for netbooks, as their ever-increasing sales clearly demonstrate.
Just because Apple customers don't have one doesn't mean no one else does either. It's a big world out there beyond the Apple store.
I'll never understand why so many of Apple fans believe that the whole world has to buy only what they buy....
Did you read the article you cited? Here's an excerpt:
"The latest report by Canalys predicts tablet sales in 2011 to show over 5,000% year-on-year growth. But for every 10 tablets sold this year, five netbook or notebook sales will be lost in the enterprise market."
Shih added that the 'honor of the world`s largest PC vendor may be achieved at the expense of profit margin,' and suggested that the PC industry "should not single-mindedly pursue volume growth, and should extend its operation to the field of service, just like what Apple has done," according to the report.
Well, better late than never I suppose. Good luck doing that while relying on the "partners" who produce the operating systems you rely on who have conflicting goals with you.
I think it's just now sinking in for companies like Acer at just how screwed they are in the next wave of computing that Apple has unleashed with the iOS ecosystem.
Actually, netbooks are still enjoying double-digit growth, as they have every year since they were introduced. In the last year alone, while those who get their news from Mac sites kept saying netbooks are dying, the rate of growth was more than 28% - more than double the rate of growth for traditional laptops like the kind Apple sells
Hmm, channel stuffing or real sales? And are they even really stuffing the channel? For the last year my local Costco has had no fewer than five netbooks to choose from. Now? Two.
They do have the Xoom now
Netbooks are dead. When I can get an iPad for the same cost, it's a no brainer as to which makes more sense.
It is a amazing the generic cloners are just figuring this out. Acer is a generic clone maker. they have nothing to differentiate themselves from the other cloners...Dell, HP, Lenovo, <insert generic cloner>. There is simply no way to increase margins in the generic cloner market without going out of business. The generic cloners have to split pennies to make money after they send massive checks to Microsoft for Windows, Office, etc...
So here we have Microsoft's "room" with top guys from Microsoft, Dell, HP and Acer standing around in it. The smell would gag a maggot because every one of them crapped his britches thinking about what the iPad is doing to his business. All of them are still in denial except the Acer guy who admits he dropped a load in his pants and is going to change his underwear.
Last fall, Acer's chairman JT Wang predicted that Apple's share of the tablet market would plunge from near 100 percent to just 20 to 30 percent because of the "closed platform" of Apple's iPad iOS...
Wow. If I was a stockholder, I'd be dumping Acer like a hot potato if I saw the chairman display such a shocking lack of basic understanding of consumer patterns.
NO ONE CARES if a platform is open or closed. The iPod is a "closed platform". PS3, XBOX360 and Wii are all "closed platforms". And yet people still buy them.
More and more I hear this refrain from Android acolytes; either these guys are delusional and have no clue why anyone buys anything, or they're just lying through their teeth, desperately trying to seem relevant. I'm not sure which is worse.
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Apple is the only outfit that can do a stylus for ipad that can be as close to writing on paper as possible.
who wants a stylus to writing? Drawing, maybe. But show me someone who can write faster by hand than can type on a keyboard. It's not worth the effort to develop/implement truly good handwriting recognition software.
Actually, netbooks are still enjoying double-digit growth, as they have every year since they were introduced. In the last year alone, while those who get their news from Mac sites kept saying netbooks are dying, the rate of growth was more than 28% - more than double the rate of growth for traditional laptops like the kind Apple sells:
http://www.computerweekly.com/Articl...book-sales.htm
Sure, the new kid on the block, the tablet form factor, is growing at a much faster rate, and so the rate of growth for netbooks is lower than it was in its former peak as the leading sector. But don't be misled by the Diglers of the world: the fact is that there is indeed a place for netbooks, as their ever-increasing sales clearly demonstrate.
Just because Apple customers don't have one doesn't mean no one else does either. It's a big world out there beyond the Apple store.
I'll never understand why so many of Apple fans believe that the whole world has to buy only what they buy....
That 28% rise is an estimate for '11, by one analyst. Another (IDC) predicts actual declines in worldwide unit sales and reports that unit sales for the '10 holiday quarter the US declined 34% YoY.
I think when they tally up the numbers for 2011 we'll see real declines in netbooks unit sales, not just loss of market share.
No mater how you slice it, a lot of people enjoy netbooks. Just not those who shop at Apple stores. But the other 90% of the world? A good many of those folks like 'em.
People who shop at Apple stores enjoy netbooks?perhaps you've heard of the MacBook Air? Or is that not a netbook because it costs more than $200 or will last more than a year? Or is it because it's capable of actually running the OS installed on it without burning up?
People who shop at Apple stores enjoy netbooks?perhaps you've heard of the MacBook Air? Or is that not a netbook because it costs more than $200 or will last more than a year? Or is it because it's capable of actually running the OS installed on it without burning up?
It?s not a netbook because it?s not running a slow CPU like Atom that can barely get it access to the net. It?s an ultra-portable ultra-slim notebook categories.
Good link - the chart there shows current actual netbook sales being more than twice that of tablets, with a gentle slope downward contrasting with their meteoric rise over the last several years:
Unless I'm misreading it, the chart appears to show end of 2010 tallies for yearly sales, rather than current sales. I think it's pretty predictable that we're well into that sharp rise at the moment.
Sure, no trend lasts forever. But netbooks have had a very solid run, and while some analysts project continued growth even the naysayers, such as you managed to turn up, expect unit sales continuing in the tens of millions of units well beyond the end of the year.
The trouble being that unit sales in the tens of millions, tapering off and increasingly to less affluent markets, doesn't mean much in a world of hundreds of millions and rising tablet sales.
No mater how you slice it, a lot of people enjoy netbooks. Just not those who shop at Apple stores. But the other 90% of the world? A good many of those folks like 'em.
I slice it this way: tablet sales are in the process of totally eclipsing netbooks sales, which is remarkable given the response to the iPad at release and the very recent notions of how netbooks were set to take over the world.
I'll say that again: until a little over a year ago, many many pundits were certain that netbooks represented the future of mobile computing, that Apple had no response, and even after the release of the iPad that it was no more than a curiosity, doomed to niche status.
And here we are. I'm not even sure what you think you're arguing for, but the fact that netbooks will retain some residual sales for a while doesn't change anything. And I have no idea why you think this all has to do with Apple people and their blinkeredness, since the facts are there for anyone to see.
I'll say that again: until a little over a year ago, many many pundits were certain that netbooks represented the future of mobile computing, that Apple had no response, and even after the release of the iPad that it was no more than a curiosity, doomed to niche status.
And here we are. I'm not even sure what you think you're arguing for, but the fact that netbooks will retain some residual sales for a while doesn't change anything. And I have no idea why you think this all has to do with Apple people and their blinkeredness, since the facts are there for anyone to see.
Here is how David Pogue opened up his iPad 2 review?
?An utter disappointment and abysmal failure? (Orange County Web Design Blog). ?Consumers seem genuinely baffled by why they might need it? (Businessweek). ?Insanely great it is not? (MarketWatch). ?My god, am I underwhelmed? (Gizmodo).
People like MacRulez have gone from ?it will never sell, netbooks are superior in every way? to ?so what if the tablet market is bigger, some people obviously like them since there sales are greater than zero.?
While I haven't heard of this MacDonald's you speak of, all companies had bad times when they transitioned from CEOs of one vision to another. McDonalds in particular had several years where they were trying to re-invent themselves (90's).
I believe he is referring to the MacDonald's that Eddie Murphy works at in the movie Coming to America
Actually, netbooks are still enjoying double-digit growth, as they have every year since they were introduced. In the last year alone, while those who get their news from Mac sites kept saying netbooks are dying, the rate of growth was more than 28% - more than double the rate of growth for traditional laptops like the kind Apple sells:
That is a hopeful projection. The trend is clear.
Sure, the new kid on the block, the tablet form factor, is growing at a much faster rate, and so the rate of growth for netbooks is lower than it was in its former peak as the leading sector. But don't be misled by the Diglers of the world: the fact is that there is indeed a place for netbooks, as their ever-increasing sales clearly demonstrate.
The iPad is selling in a way that netbooks never did. Netbooks did not grow a developer community around them. Sales projections of the iPad completely blow away projections of all netbooks combined. A hugely growing developer community is spurring around the iPad.
I'll never understand why so many of Apple fans believe that the whole world has to buy only what they buy....
I don't see what being an Apple user has to do with acknowledging the uselessness of netbooks. I would still feel that way if i were a Windows user.
I believe he is referring to the MacDonald's that Eddie Murphy works at in the movie Coming to America
Less is MORE... same goes to dell, hp etc
Actually, netbooks are still enjoying double-digit growth, as they have every year since they were introduced. In the last year alone, while those who get their news from Mac sites kept saying netbooks are dying, the rate of growth was more than 28% - more than double the rate of growth for traditional laptops like the kind Apple sells:
http://www.computerweekly.com/Articl...book-sales.htm
Sure, the new kid on the block, the tablet form factor, is growing at a much faster rate, and so the rate of growth for netbooks is lower than it was in its former peak as the leading sector. But don't be misled by the Diglers of the world: the fact is that there is indeed a place for netbooks, as their ever-increasing sales clearly demonstrate.
Just because Apple customers don't have one doesn't mean no one else does either. It's a big world out there beyond the Apple store.
I'll never understand why so many of Apple fans believe that the whole world has to buy only what they buy....
Did you read the article you cited? Here's an excerpt:
"The latest report by Canalys predicts tablet sales in 2011 to show over 5,000% year-on-year growth. But for every 10 tablets sold this year, five netbook or notebook sales will be lost in the enterprise market."
Shih added that the 'honor of the world`s largest PC vendor may be achieved at the expense of profit margin,' and suggested that the PC industry "should not single-mindedly pursue volume growth, and should extend its operation to the field of service, just like what Apple has done," according to the report.
Well, better late than never I suppose. Good luck doing that while relying on the "partners" who produce the operating systems you rely on who have conflicting goals with you.
I think it's just now sinking in for companies like Acer at just how screwed they are in the next wave of computing that Apple has unleashed with the iOS ecosystem.
Actually, netbooks are still enjoying double-digit growth, as they have every year since they were introduced. In the last year alone, while those who get their news from Mac sites kept saying netbooks are dying, the rate of growth was more than 28% - more than double the rate of growth for traditional laptops like the kind Apple sells
Hmm, channel stuffing or real sales? And are they even really stuffing the channel? For the last year my local Costco has had no fewer than five netbooks to choose from. Now? Two.
They do have the Xoom now
Netbooks are dead. When I can get an iPad for the same cost, it's a no brainer as to which makes more sense.
Acer's net margins were <2.5% in 2010. Bravo Acer, bravo.
Last fall, Acer's chairman JT Wang predicted that Apple's share of the tablet market would plunge from near 100 percent to just 20 to 30 percent because of the "closed platform" of Apple's iPad iOS...
[ View this article at AppleInsider.com ]
Wow. If I was a stockholder, I'd be dumping Acer like a hot potato if I saw the chairman display such a shocking lack of basic understanding of consumer patterns.
NO ONE CARES if a platform is open or closed. The iPod is a "closed platform". PS3, XBOX360 and Wii are all "closed platforms". And yet people still buy them.
More and more I hear this refrain from Android acolytes; either these guys are delusional and have no clue why anyone buys anything, or they're just lying through their teeth, desperately trying to seem relevant. I'm not sure which is worse.