@MDriftMeyer: To be fair Google never claimed to be working on a phone before Apple did. What they said was Android was already in development as a mobile OS before the iPhone was ever announced. There's no indications that Google ever planned to get into hardware production and sales as any significant part of their business. The focus was and is on Android itself, with the related ad and market revenue it brings as manufacturers adopt it as a platform.
Other than a limited phone release for it's developer testing program and as a kick-start to show Android's potential, Google still doesn't sell phones, tablets or any other Android device. They'd probably do better with Android if they did IMO. Fragmentation wouldn't exist, hardware would be consistent, the AppMarket would be easier to develop for. Essentially they WOULD be doing just what Apple has done. But they're not. The whole falling out was caused by a hissy fit from Mr. Jobs IMHO. Google has never indicated they have any ill-will for Apple that I've seen. If fact they've never indicated that Apple is even considered competition. All the nasty insults and unkind words are coming from Apple, not Google.
Gatorguy you are an ignorant fool. The early Android prototype Google showed to Steve Jobs was supposed to look like a Blackberry or a Treo ie. with a keyboard. and it was controlled by a trackball, not a touchscreen. I downloaded the early version of Android SDK so I knew how it looks. When later Steve Jobs saw the first Google phone on sale by T-Mobile, that's when he knew he was betrayed. And that guy in the video was Vic Gundotra. He worked for Microsoft before as Head of Developer Relations. He is simply a barbarian from India.
I'll accept the correction. Apparently there was a single statement by a Google employee that some fans of Apple take exception to. I didn't hear anything about wishing ill, but I do appreciate the link since I hadn't been aware that they even talked about Apple as competition at any time.
There was an instance where a Google employee referred to Apple or an Apple product in a not nice way. There. Acknowledged.
Now perhaps you really can move on to the bigger picture?
You mean how those developers used Venture Funding to get a start in iOS initially, right? (that's what this entire article is about).
It's not uncommon to raise venture capitol, in fact, it's the rule rather than the exception. Very few companies can self fund new ventures, especially if they are small development companies who might not have a significant operating budget to begin with.
You're mistaken. The vast majority of iOS developers did it without venture capital. In fact, the number who DID use venture capital is insignificant.
-I don't have a real keyboard: iOS 4.0 adds support for Bluetooth Keyboards.
-I don't run simultaneous apps: iOS 4.0 adds multitasking.
-I don't take 5 Megapixel pictures: iPhone 4 bumps camera resolution up to 5MP
-I don't customize: iOS 4 allows users to change their wallpaper, add folders
-I don't run widgets: Apple hasn't tackled this one, yet anyway.
-I Don't allow open development: Apple's opened up their development a lot in the past year. The Approval process has become more transparent, Cross compilers were banned, and then allowed. They've started approving apps like browsers NOT built off of Safari.
-I don't take pictures in the dark: iPhone4 added a flash
-I don't have interchangeable batteries: Still true, but Apple spent a ton of time getting an amazing battery into the iPhone4.
-Iphone4 also bumped up the resolution of the screen, which was looking blurry next to the 800x480 screens other devices had.
I'm NOT implying that Apple built the iphone4 just to combat this commercial, in fact, I'm almost positive they didn't. But it's obvious that they adjusted their product to the changing market, as any decent company would. Did Android "Copy" iOS? Yes. But Apple's done their fair share of copying too. EVERY tech company has. That's how technology develops.
Great point Menno. +1
Competition is definitely a good thing, so having a healthy Android as a competitor is important. You wouldn't want just one wireless carrier, why would you only want one OS? Apple and Google are going to keep pushing each other to innovate, and that's a good thing for consumers.
You're mistaken. The vast majority of iOS developers did it without venture capital. In fact, the number who DID use venture capital is insignificant.
But this isn't talking about the majority of developers. This is talking about a group that already USED venture capitol to develop for iOS going towards android now.
Most developers on Android are self funded as well. But we're not talking about them. We're talking about iFund developers.
So be it, but it doesn't change the fact that Android is a copy of iOS. That's the big picture.
They both have their unique features. I think the general idea of how a mobile OS should be used and interface with the consumer is very similar to Apple's ideas. No doubt they took clues from them. But not so much a copy IMO. Android was more of a reaction to the possibility that Apple could end up calling all the shots on mobile. Tho Apple and Google were "friends", it doesn't take much to get on Steve Jobs bad side. Several sources have written that Android was intended as insurance against being locked out of the mobile ad business altogether. To be frank, don't you believe it would have been foolhardy to put all their mobile eggs in Apple's basket? With Apple constantly on the lookout for revenue anyone derives from the use of Apple devices, who knows what demands they could have eventually given Google to stay in the friendship circle. At the minimum Apple would have been looking for their own ad delivery service at some point no matter what Google did.
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There are several inner layers within Apple's core.
So perhaps it should be called Onion?
@MDriftMeyer: To be fair Google never claimed to be working on a phone before Apple did. What they said was Android was already in development as a mobile OS before the iPhone was ever announced. There's no indications that Google ever planned to get into hardware production and sales as any significant part of their business. The focus was and is on Android itself, with the related ad and market revenue it brings as manufacturers adopt it as a platform.
Other than a limited phone release for it's developer testing program and as a kick-start to show Android's potential, Google still doesn't sell phones, tablets or any other Android device. They'd probably do better with Android if they did IMO. Fragmentation wouldn't exist, hardware would be consistent, the AppMarket would be easier to develop for. Essentially they WOULD be doing just what Apple has done. But they're not. The whole falling out was caused by a hissy fit from Mr. Jobs IMHO. Google has never indicated they have any ill-will for Apple that I've seen. If fact they've never indicated that Apple is even considered competition. All the nasty insults and unkind words are coming from Apple, not Google.
Gatorguy you are an ignorant fool. The early Android prototype Google showed to Steve Jobs was supposed to look like a Blackberry or a Treo ie. with a keyboard. and it was controlled by a trackball, not a touchscreen. I downloaded the early version of Android SDK so I knew how it looks. When later Steve Jobs saw the first Google phone on sale by T-Mobile, that's when he knew he was betrayed. And that guy in the video was Vic Gundotra. He worked for Microsoft before as Head of Developer Relations. He is simply a barbarian from India.
There was an instance where a Google employee referred to Apple or an Apple product in a not nice way. There. Acknowledged.
Now perhaps you really can move on to the bigger picture?
You mean how those developers used Venture Funding to get a start in iOS initially, right? (that's what this entire article is about).
It's not uncommon to raise venture capitol, in fact, it's the rule rather than the exception. Very few companies can self fund new ventures, especially if they are small development companies who might not have a significant operating budget to begin with.
You're mistaken. The vast majority of iOS developers did it without venture capital. In fact, the number who DID use venture capital is insignificant.
Yes, Google Changed Android to compete more with iOS. This is called competition. Apple did the SAME thing with iOS.
The original idon't campaign listed a few key features:
http://youtu.be/NuiRilpBwfc
-I don't have a real keyboard: iOS 4.0 adds support for Bluetooth Keyboards.
-I don't run simultaneous apps: iOS 4.0 adds multitasking.
-I don't take 5 Megapixel pictures: iPhone 4 bumps camera resolution up to 5MP
-I don't customize: iOS 4 allows users to change their wallpaper, add folders
-I don't run widgets: Apple hasn't tackled this one, yet anyway.
-I Don't allow open development: Apple's opened up their development a lot in the past year. The Approval process has become more transparent, Cross compilers were banned, and then allowed. They've started approving apps like browsers NOT built off of Safari.
-I don't take pictures in the dark: iPhone4 added a flash
-I don't have interchangeable batteries: Still true, but Apple spent a ton of time getting an amazing battery into the iPhone4.
-Iphone4 also bumped up the resolution of the screen, which was looking blurry next to the 800x480 screens other devices had.
I'm NOT implying that Apple built the iphone4 just to combat this commercial, in fact, I'm almost positive they didn't. But it's obvious that they adjusted their product to the changing market, as any decent company would. Did Android "Copy" iOS? Yes. But Apple's done their fair share of copying too. EVERY tech company has. That's how technology develops.
Great point Menno. +1
Competition is definitely a good thing, so having a healthy Android as a competitor is important. You wouldn't want just one wireless carrier, why would you only want one OS? Apple and Google are going to keep pushing each other to innovate, and that's a good thing for consumers.
You're mistaken. The vast majority of iOS developers did it without venture capital. In fact, the number who DID use venture capital is insignificant.
But this isn't talking about the majority of developers. This is talking about a group that already USED venture capitol to develop for iOS going towards android now.
Most developers on Android are self funded as well. But we're not talking about them. We're talking about iFund developers.
That changes the meaning quite a bit, doesn't it. Who changed the words he used?
Hmmm...
That changes the meaning quite a bit, doesn't it. Who changed the words he used?
So be it, but it doesn't change the fact that Android is a copy of iOS.
So be it, but it doesn't change the fact that Android is a copy of iOS.
They both have their unique features. I think the general idea of how a mobile OS should be used and interface with the consumer is very similar to Apple's ideas. No doubt they took clues from them. But not so much a copy IMO. Android was more of a reaction to the possibility that Apple could end up calling all the shots on mobile. Tho Apple and Google were "friends", it doesn't take much to get on Steve Jobs bad side. Several sources have written that Android was intended as insurance against being locked out of the mobile ad business altogether. To be frank, don't you believe it would have been foolhardy to put all their mobile eggs in Apple's basket? With Apple constantly on the lookout for revenue anyone derives from the use of Apple devices, who knows what demands they could have eventually given Google to stay in the friendship circle. At the minimum Apple would have been looking for their own ad delivery service at some point no matter what Google did.