Looking at Windows7 mobile, nothing about it resembles iOS in my opinion. Well, nothing other than they're both intended for mobile devices. Windows mobile UI actually looks OK and appears to have a unique way of interacting with the consumer compared to either Android or iOS. If anything it might more resemble the so-far unsuccessful Palm-developed OS that's currently in HP's hands. Whether Windows effort will be any more successful is way too early to judge accurately IMO. But it sure doesn't look like an Apple clone to me.
I haven't used the Zune software so you will have to explain this for me. Now, I know iTunes is a horrrible application, it is the Application I have the most issues with, it must be an embarrassment for Apple. By terrible clone, do you mean it works well, or it is (if possible) worse than iTunes?
Another fine example of terrible naming by Microsoft.
Believe it or not the one name "Zune" is actually three separate things.
A media platform (e.g. something like iTunes)
PC client software (e.g. a little like the iTunes App)
A PMP (e.g. like the iPod touch)
In the comment referenced I assume the poster was talking about the WP7 UI that is designed around Metro (the same as the Zune PMP was). I can't see how it's an iPhone clone though... judge for yourself.
However just in case it was in reference to the Zune client here it is next to iTunes. I can't see how it could be a clone but again... judge for yourself.
I have never seen the Zune software. Microsoft never released it internationally.
I'd agree with some of your comments on iTunes.
Initially Apple needed a single application to sync music with iPods. A music player / sync manager app was a good idea back then.
Now, more and more functionality has been heaped into iTunes. Application syncing, podcast catching, movie purchasing - the list is endless.
On the Mac, it would have been sensible to split these functions into separate apps. But Apple's support of the Windows platform meant that it had to be glommed into a single distributable Windows package. Not a good decision, but hard to see an alternative. The Windows iTunes contains a mini-Mac OS, along with a complete copy of Safari, Apple's font and display handling, not to mention Quicktime.
iTunes has started to suck on the Mac, and I suspect that it has always sucked on Windows. What Apple needs is a way for devices to talk directly to the internet, and not require a PC chaperoning the relationship.
I am hoping that with iOS5 we are going to see a bit of cord-cutting. Hopefully iTunes will start to become un-necessary.
C.
The Zune software has been international for quite some time now. You need it to sync a WP7 phone. It's performance is light years ahead of iTunes. I agree, iTunes is currently the biggest embarrasment for Apple. It's poorly coded, often exhibits poor performance, and doesn't always follow standard Windows behaviour. It's only slightly better than the even bigger embarrasment that's the MobileMe Control Panel (which I was so sick of after nearly a year of being broken that I have stopped using and will not be renewing my MobileMe subscription).
I've often wondered what's stopping Apple from making a decent iTunes and MobileMe Control Panel.
The Zune software has been international for quite some time now. You need it to sync a WP7 phone. It's performance is light years ahead of iTunes. I agree, iTunes is currently the biggest embarrasment for Apple. It's poorly coded, often exhibits poor performance, and doesn't always follow standard Windows behaviour. It's only slightly better than the even bigger embarrasment that's the MobileMe Control Panel (which I was so sick of after nearly a year of being broken that I have stopped using and will not be renewing my MobileMe subscription).
I've often wondered what's stopping Apple from making a decent iTunes and MobileMe Control Panel.
interesting how iTunes works fine for me and my 15GB music collection. I tried the Zune software and it crashed repeated after about 2 minutes. This was on two different machines, one running Vista and one running Windows 7. Amazing how poorly Microsoft software runs ion their own platform. Would love to try it on my Macs but....nope not cross platform. Don't really care though, the fugly broken Zune software would not last long on my Macs.
I have often wondered why Microsoft pisses so much money away on Zune and Windows Phone 7 when they should just use the far better Android and actually have a decent platform. But that is the nice thing about having illegal monopolies...tons of money all the time with no competition.
interesting how iTunes works fine for me and my 15GB music collection. I tried the Zune software and it crashed repeated after about 2 minutes. This was on two different machines, one running Vista and one running Windows 7. Amazing how poorly Microsoft software runs ion their own platform. Would love to try it on my Macs but....nope not cross platform. Don't really care though, the fugly broken Zune software would not last long on my Macs.
You have a tiny collection. I believe I have a small collection, especially with Apples Digital Download dreams.
I have a small 30GB music (3225 songs), 371GB movie (225 movies), 224GB TV (125 shows), 18GB Audiobooks (about 73), plus iTunes U stuff, and Podcasts.
It crashes constantly, it has constant beachballs (in 2011??), and as others have said, plus the funny window behaviour, and button layout
You have a tiny collection. I believe I have a small collection, especially with Apples Digital Download dreams.
I have a small 30GB music (3225 songs), 371GB movie (225 movies), 224GB TV (125 shows), 18GB Audiobooks (about 73), plus iTunes U stuff, and Podcasts.
It crashes constantly, it has constant beachballs (in 2011??), and as others have said, plus the funny window behaviour, and button layout
sorry, i had a typo. My music collection is around 150GB, not 15GB. My tv/movie collection is almost two TB now; my NAS is barking at me about running out of space. Windows UI is terrible. I commend Apple for trying to make a real UI on top of the horrendous usability issues and inconsistent design language in Windows.
sorry, i had a typo. My music collection is around 150GB, not 15GB. My tv/movie collection is almost two TB now; my NAS is barking at me about running out of space. Windows UI is terrible. I commend Apple for trying to make a real UI on top of the horrendous usability issues and inconsistent design language in Windows.
Rather ironically, it's Apple and iTunes that have been one of the worst offenders over recent times as far as following the Windows design language
sorry, i had a typo. My music collection is around 150GB, not 15GB. My tv/movie collection is almost two TB now; my NAS is barking at me about running out of space. Windows UI is terrible. I commend Apple for trying to make a real UI on top of the horrendous usability issues and inconsistent design language in Windows.
I'm not talking about Windows, all of my iTunes complaints are on a Mac
interesting how iTunes works fine for me and my 15GB music collection. I tried the Zune software and it crashed repeated after about 2 minutes. This was on two different machines, one running Vista and one running Windows 7. Amazing how poorly Microsoft software runs ion their own platform. Would love to try it on my Macs but....nope not cross platform. Don't really care though, the fugly broken Zune software would not last long on my Macs.
In hindsight it's a little funny that I thought a few simply steps could somehow help you from making extraneous comments!
sorry, i had a typo. My music collection is around 150GB, not 15GB. My tv/movie collection is almost two TB now; my NAS is barking at me about running out of space. Windows UI is terrible. I commend Apple for trying to make a real UI on top of the horrendous usability issues and inconsistent design language in Windows.
I had a feeling that one day, iTunes users will be made to upgrade their OS like when SL came out. PowerPC users were basically told that 'BUY INTEL MAC ALREADY'.
So one day new iPod will come out with no backward compatibility beyond 10.0, with iTunes 12 or what have you drop WinXP version, buyers on XP and Tiger machines will whine, and the answer for Windows iTunes will be either 'BUY WINDOWS 7' or 'BUY A MAC'.
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If you are incapable of understanding or respecting someones opinion, why are you bothering to post?...Does that statement make you feel better?
Of course you're free to have whatever opinion you like. I was just trying to help you change it from being extraneous to being relevant and valued.
I thought you might have appreciated that.
I haven't used the Zune software so you will have to explain this for me. Now, I know iTunes is a horrrible application, it is the Application I have the most issues with, it must be an embarrassment for Apple. By terrible clone, do you mean it works well, or it is (if possible) worse than iTunes?
Another fine example of terrible naming by Microsoft.
Believe it or not the one name "Zune" is actually three separate things.
- A media platform (e.g. something like iTunes)
- PC client software (e.g. a little like the iTunes App)
- A PMP (e.g. like the iPod touch)
In the comment referenced I assume the poster was talking about the WP7 UI that is designed around Metro (the same as the Zune PMP was). I can't see how it's an iPhone clone though... judge for yourself.However just in case it was in reference to the Zune client here it is next to iTunes. I can't see how it could be a clone but again... judge for yourself.
I have never seen the Zune software. Microsoft never released it internationally.
I'd agree with some of your comments on iTunes.
Initially Apple needed a single application to sync music with iPods. A music player / sync manager app was a good idea back then.
Now, more and more functionality has been heaped into iTunes. Application syncing, podcast catching, movie purchasing - the list is endless.
On the Mac, it would have been sensible to split these functions into separate apps. But Apple's support of the Windows platform meant that it had to be glommed into a single distributable Windows package. Not a good decision, but hard to see an alternative. The Windows iTunes contains a mini-Mac OS, along with a complete copy of Safari, Apple's font and display handling, not to mention Quicktime.
iTunes has started to suck on the Mac, and I suspect that it has always sucked on Windows. What Apple needs is a way for devices to talk directly to the internet, and not require a PC chaperoning the relationship.
I am hoping that with iOS5 we are going to see a bit of cord-cutting. Hopefully iTunes will start to become un-necessary.
C.
The Zune software has been international for quite some time now. You need it to sync a WP7 phone. It's performance is light years ahead of iTunes. I agree, iTunes is currently the biggest embarrasment for Apple. It's poorly coded, often exhibits poor performance, and doesn't always follow standard Windows behaviour. It's only slightly better than the even bigger embarrasment that's the MobileMe Control Panel (which I was so sick of after nearly a year of being broken that I have stopped using and will not be renewing my MobileMe subscription).
I've often wondered what's stopping Apple from making a decent iTunes and MobileMe Control Panel.
The Zune software has been international for quite some time now. You need it to sync a WP7 phone. It's performance is light years ahead of iTunes. I agree, iTunes is currently the biggest embarrasment for Apple. It's poorly coded, often exhibits poor performance, and doesn't always follow standard Windows behaviour. It's only slightly better than the even bigger embarrasment that's the MobileMe Control Panel (which I was so sick of after nearly a year of being broken that I have stopped using and will not be renewing my MobileMe subscription).
I've often wondered what's stopping Apple from making a decent iTunes and MobileMe Control Panel.
interesting how iTunes works fine for me and my 15GB music collection. I tried the Zune software and it crashed repeated after about 2 minutes. This was on two different machines, one running Vista and one running Windows 7. Amazing how poorly Microsoft software runs ion their own platform. Would love to try it on my Macs but....nope not cross platform. Don't really care though, the fugly broken Zune software would not last long on my Macs.
I have often wondered why Microsoft pisses so much money away on Zune and Windows Phone 7 when they should just use the far better Android and actually have a decent platform. But that is the nice thing about having illegal monopolies...tons of money all the time with no competition.
interesting how iTunes works fine for me and my 15GB music collection. I tried the Zune software and it crashed repeated after about 2 minutes. This was on two different machines, one running Vista and one running Windows 7. Amazing how poorly Microsoft software runs ion their own platform. Would love to try it on my Macs but....nope not cross platform. Don't really care though, the fugly broken Zune software would not last long on my Macs.
You have a tiny collection. I believe I have a small collection, especially with Apples Digital Download dreams.
I have a small 30GB music (3225 songs), 371GB movie (225 movies), 224GB TV (125 shows), 18GB Audiobooks (about 73), plus iTunes U stuff, and Podcasts.
It crashes constantly, it has constant beachballs (in 2011??), and as others have said, plus the funny window behaviour, and button layout
You have a tiny collection. I believe I have a small collection, especially with Apples Digital Download dreams.
I have a small 30GB music (3225 songs), 371GB movie (225 movies), 224GB TV (125 shows), 18GB Audiobooks (about 73), plus iTunes U stuff, and Podcasts.
It crashes constantly, it has constant beachballs (in 2011??), and as others have said, plus the funny window behaviour, and button layout
sorry, i had a typo. My music collection is around 150GB, not 15GB. My tv/movie collection is almost two TB now; my NAS is barking at me about running out of space. Windows UI is terrible. I commend Apple for trying to make a real UI on top of the horrendous usability issues and inconsistent design language in Windows.
sorry, i had a typo. My music collection is around 150GB, not 15GB. My tv/movie collection is almost two TB now; my NAS is barking at me about running out of space. Windows UI is terrible. I commend Apple for trying to make a real UI on top of the horrendous usability issues and inconsistent design language in Windows.
Rather ironically, it's Apple and iTunes that have been one of the worst offenders over recent times as far as following the Windows design language
sorry, i had a typo. My music collection is around 150GB, not 15GB. My tv/movie collection is almost two TB now; my NAS is barking at me about running out of space. Windows UI is terrible. I commend Apple for trying to make a real UI on top of the horrendous usability issues and inconsistent design language in Windows.
I'm not talking about Windows, all of my iTunes complaints are on a Mac
interesting how iTunes works fine for me and my 15GB music collection. I tried the Zune software and it crashed repeated after about 2 minutes. This was on two different machines, one running Vista and one running Windows 7. Amazing how poorly Microsoft software runs ion their own platform. Would love to try it on my Macs but....nope not cross platform. Don't really care though, the fugly broken Zune software would not last long on my Macs.
In hindsight it's a little funny that I thought a few simply steps could somehow help you from making extraneous comments!
sorry, i had a typo. My music collection is around 150GB, not 15GB. My tv/movie collection is almost two TB now; my NAS is barking at me about running out of space. Windows UI is terrible. I commend Apple for trying to make a real UI on top of the horrendous usability issues and inconsistent design language in Windows.
Good old iTunes, eh?
So one day new iPod will come out with no backward compatibility beyond 10.0, with iTunes 12 or what have you drop WinXP version, buyers on XP and Tiger machines will whine, and the answer for Windows iTunes will be either 'BUY WINDOWS 7' or 'BUY A MAC'.
I won't put it past Apple not to pull that.