Google launches cloud music, previews next Android, promises OS updates for 18 mos.

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  • Reply 21 of 123
    al_bundyal_bundy Posts: 1,525member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iVlad View Post


    Even after Google successfully replicated Apple's eco-system they still can't seriously compete. This is more of a YAWN product line. Everyone seen it, heard of it. Same crap just from different company down the street.



    iOS 3 was supposed to let you take your blood pressure and interface with other devices. still don't see a lot of that except speakers.
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  • Reply 22 of 123
    sockrolidsockrolid Posts: 2,789member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    [...] They also boasted that their mobile operating system will "all be open source." [...]



    Controlled by one man. Andy Rubin, of course. Open until you mess with it too much, then Google will use compatibility as a "club":



    http://www.electronista.com/articles...ogle.pressure/
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  • Reply 23 of 123
    anheloanhelo Posts: 7member
    Why does Apple Insider care what Google does at the I/O conference? Just wondering.
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  • Reply 24 of 123
    nairbnairb Posts: 253member
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    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    1) That's all companies and all products running Android? That's only 36 million per quarter. Didn't Apple do more than half that total last quarter just with their iPhone, excluding their iPod, iPad and AppleTV? It doesn't seem like Android is growing that fast consolidating it's vendor count and price advantages.



    2) Wasn't it already at 350,000 a half a year ago? That looks like some serious drop in growth rate.



    Lets see - 18.6 million iPhones, 9 million iPods and 4.7 million iPads. You do the math. We could also add in Apple TV but you and i both know that is not going to make much of a difference, don't we!
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  • Reply 25 of 123
    sockrolidsockrolid Posts: 2,789member
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    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    One thing not mentioned in this article:



    ["Thanks to Samsung, all 5000 of you are getting one today!"]



    ...Well, there goes the neighborhood!



    There. Instant market share. Take that, Coby! Take that, Sylvania! Take that, Camangi!



    http://www.cobyusa.com/?p=prod&prod_...4&pcat_id=1013



    http://www.sylvaniacomputers.com/cat...id_category=18



    http://www.androidpit.com/en/android...ands-on-At-IFA
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  • Reply 26 of 123
    island hermitisland hermit Posts: 6,217member
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    Originally Posted by guch20 View Post


    Meanwhile, Apple is still trying to figure out how to do notifications on iOS.



    ... don't forget to mention:



    - walled garden

    - faulty antenna

    - Steve Jobs is a fascist

    - iPhone 4 doesn't have 4G

    - Apple still doesn't offer pony rides at the fair



    ...
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  • Reply 27 of 123
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,770member
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    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    1) 2) Wasn't it already at 350,000 a half a year ago? That looks like some serious drop in growth rate.



    I thought that was just 90 days ago or so. Another 50K/day in just a few weeks sounds like quite a lot to me.



    EDIT: That was announced as the activations per day at the end of March. So just 5 weeks later it's at 400K. Maybe I'm easily impressed but that's a lot of Android devices Solipsism.



    http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/ar...ter/1302835052
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  • Reply 28 of 123
    SpamSandwichspamsandwich Posts: 33,407member
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    Originally Posted by Nairb View Post


    You forgot to mention the 400,000 activations a day mentioned at the conference.



    That was 400,000 activations a day.



    400,000



    Meh. Android developers already know they can't make money with Android apps, so they are slow to commit or leaving for iOS. Hardware manufacturers will simply devolve to lowest cost competitors, as Android phones are now a commodity business, just like PCs.
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  • Reply 29 of 123
    bregaladbregalad Posts: 816member
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    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    I assume that means vendors and carriers will receive updates 18 months after launch, but that it doesn?t mean vendors or carriers will work to make those updates work for the devices they sell.



    Apple has a hard enough time getting updates to their very limited product line despite controlling the HW and OS, yet it seems Google is trying to follow suit, even pushing GoogleTV to an Android 3.1 update. Logistically I can?t see how Google can possibly make keep that up long term unless the changes will be minimal over that 18 months.



    It's a laudable goal, but I wouldn't hold my breath expecting updates to Android devices. I remember when 2.2 was released and it took 4-5 months before you could buy a 2.2 phone from any of the major carriers in Canada. They were too busy trying to get rid of 1.5 and 1.6 devices to worry about a new OS or getting updates out to anyone.



    How long ago did Gingerbread come out? I know more people who own a Xoom than people running 2.3 on their Android phone.
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  • Reply 30 of 123
    addicted44addicted44 Posts: 831member
    This is a complete catchup update, except for the following few things:



    1) Android on Google TV (but you still have to create new widgets, but it beats Apple TV with no widgets, in this regard).



    2) Guarantee of 18 months updates. The real question is when those 18 months begin, and how this guarantee retards development.



    3) The open nature of the Accessories. This will make Android really popular with hobbyists, which is important because it will be these kids creating the next great products when they grow up. Apple had them beat a long time ago, but having to be part of the Apple Hardware accessory partner was annoying at the very least, and probably really expensive.



    Besides this, its a kinda underwhelming update. Hopefully the new skin will be nice when they show it.
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  • Reply 31 of 123
    clauclau Posts: 15member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iVlad View Post


    Even after Google successfully replicated Apple's eco-system they still can't seriously compete. This is more of a YAWN product line. Everyone seen it, heard of it. Same crap just from different company down the street.



    I am with you, my take away after reading the post is that

    1. Google admits its current OS strategy really sucks (one for phone, one for tablet, both marginal)

    2. Google will do it right by replicating what Apple has been doing



    I wonder how they will keep it open, (bear with me, I am not a tech guy) may the OS will have a core layer where Google will maintain (Google updates only hit this layer), and the carriers have a custom layer that they maintain (and good luck getting updates here)?
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  • Reply 32 of 123
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Nairb View Post


    Lets see - 18.6 million iPhones, 9 million iPods and 4.7 million iPads. You do the math. We could also add in Apple TV but you and i both know that is not going to make much of a difference, don't we!



    That's 33 million actications for Apple compared to all vended using Android. What's wrong with Android that dozens of vendors can have a mature Mobile OS and still not be far ahead of Apple's iOS-based devices? The iPhone 4 was over a half a year old, too, Whig makes it's comparison to all those new Android phones with newer and technically faster HW even more troubling for vendors using Android.
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  • Reply 33 of 123
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Nairb View Post


    Lets see - 18.6 million iPhones, 9 million iPods and 4.7 million iPads. You do the math. We could also add in Apple TV but you and i both know that is not going to make much of a difference, don't we!



    You overestimated as not all iPods are touches.



    However iPads will sell 10+ m a quarter if un supply constrained.
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  • Reply 34 of 123
    dick applebaumdick applebaum Posts: 12,527member
    Way Off Topi



    I have been playing With Mac Apple Motion 4, for several days, trying to create an animated lip sync on a 2D mouth only (lips, teeth, tongue).



    Frustrated, I Yahooed for iPad lip sync.



    I found the coolest app... and I just had to tell someone(s)!





    The app is PhotoSpeak and sells for $2.99 (there is an Android version too).



    It uses a 2D still image to create a 3D face, then automatically lip syncs it to sound.



    The whole process takes less than a minute:



    Here's an example:



    PhotoSpeak example



    What is amazing is that this very complex app is only 7.9 MB and runs in a few seconds what took days on a Mac... ... and does it much, much better!



    There is a free player app. where you can email someone a "creation" and they can play it on their iPad.





    Finally, the 3D face on the full app can be left running. It picks up any sounds the iPad hears (singing, smooching, lipfarts, etc.) and speaks them back to you.



    It's kind of a ventriloquist's best friend...





    ... I'm so lonely...





    I have no affiliation with PhotoSpeak -- other than a satisfied, laughing, customer.
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  • Reply 35 of 123
    513513 Posts: 21member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SockRolid View Post


    There. Instant market share. Take that, Coby! Take that, Sylvania! Take that, Camangi!



    http://www.cobyusa.com/?p=prod&prod_...4&pcat_id=1013



    http://www.sylvaniacomputers.com/cat...id_category=18



    http://www.androidpit.com/en/android...ands-on-At-IFA



    Those Tablets aren't certified by Google, they don't have access to the Android Market.



    So Google doesn't count them as activated devices.
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  • Reply 36 of 123
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by asdasd View Post


    You overestimated as not all iPods are touches.



    However iPads will sell 10+ m a quarter if un supply constrained.



    Ah, that certainly malea more sense. I think cutting the iPod numbers in half is about right for the touch numbers, but that I still an amazing amount for a single vendor with a very limited product range on less carriers and less agreeable price points to be competing against all the vendors and carriers that are backing Android-base devices.
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  • Reply 37 of 123
    originalgoriginalg Posts: 383member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Nairb View Post


    Lets see - 18.6 million iPhones, 9 million iPods and 4.7 million iPads. You do the math. We could also add in Apple TV but you and i both know that is not going to make much of a difference, don't we!



    iOS has an install base of over 100 million devices since June 2010: http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/07/ios/



    (Edit: 160 million at the end of the December quarter. About 30mil per quarter as of last year and with momentum, Apple should be at least at the same pace as Android and this is just from one vendor.)





    I just hope all of this lights a fire under Apple and that iOS 5 will be revolutionary!
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  • Reply 38 of 123
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,770member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    That's 33 million actications for Apple compared to all vended using Android. What's wrong with Android that dozens of vendors can have a mature Mobile OS and still not be far ahead of Apple's iOS-based devices? The iPhone 4 was over a half a year old, too, Whig makes it's comparison to all those new Android phones with newer and technically faster HW even more troubling for vendors using Android.



    Solipsism, 18 months ago some posters here said "Android smartphones will never overtake iPhone sales". A few months later it did. But some posters here said that didn't really matter anyway. "Android will never have as many apps to choose from". Looks like that will happen sometime this year too. But now that doesn't really matter either. It's more about quality than quantity.



    So then late last year it became "Android will never sell as well as the combined total of all iOS devices each month". Five months later it looks like they actually may be outselling all iOS devices combined.



    The goalposts just keep moving. Wouldn't it be better not to worry so much about figures and percentages and just enjoy what Apple gives their users?



    To me there's no question that Android will outsell iOS across all product categories at some point (probably sooner rather than later) other than with an iPod competitor. But that's a dying category anyway. Even the tablet market will eventually give to either Android or Microsoft.



    Big deal tho. Apple's been there before and survived quite well with Mr. Jobs at the helm. The total volume of devices sold shouldn't be the defining factor that makes Apple the preferred provider for millions of buyers. Quality not quantity. If fans argue that it's the latter, they're going to be disappointed. There's too many competitors.
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  • Reply 39 of 123
    patranuspatranus Posts: 366member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post


    iOS 3 was supposed to let you take your blood pressure and interface with other devices. still don't see a lot of that except speakers.



    Guess you haven't been to the Apple Store recently.

    http://store.apple.com/us/product/H4...co=MjEzNTE5ODA
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  • Reply 40 of 123
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
    The Android tablets will overtake Apple is unproven, to say the least. Unlike the iPhone Apple came into that Market aggressively. Very few manufacturers can compete with their buying power.



    On phones they are still selling one high end model and last years high end model. This report is showing that a 2 yr old iPhone model can beat the best of Androids competition. When Apple are on all carriers and have lower priced models, which they will, they will regain Market share from Android.



    That's the only way if reading this report.
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