FCC, FTC invite Apple to location services forum



  • Reply 21 of 22
    magicjmagicj Posts: 406member
    Originally Posted by lowededwookie View Post

    Paranoid much?

    Did you know that your home could be monitored by security agents that you paid for? You don't know what information they're collecting on you but you trust them enough to monitor your home.

    Did you know that late model security systems monitor your car's location and yet you pay for that. You also don't know what information they are collecting and yet you pay them for the service so that when your car is nicked or you're lost on the road you can find your car or your way.

    Why do we trust navigation systems or home security systems and yet a company like Apple - who has NEVER shown they do anything with the information they gather - gets railed on?

    The benefits outweigh the risks in my not so humble opinion.

    You're missing a few important pieces here, so I'll try to fill them in.

    1) Your Privacy Data Is Your Property. You Own It.

    This is the most important thing to understand. No one has the right to your property without your permission. The only exception to that is law enforcement and even then there are rules.

    2) Knowledge And Consent Required To Collect Information

    In both of your examples, the person has knowledge and consent that private data about them is being collected by a 3rd party. A security firm cannot just go up to someones house and start peeking in their windows and following their kids around. The car GPS system tells you they collect your location data and you agree to that when you use their product.

    3) Knowledge And Consent Required To Share Information

    Just as consent must be given to collect information, it must also be given to share information. The private security firm cannot go to the newspapers and take out an ad announcing you aren't home between 10am and 1 pm on Sundays. The car GPS company can't sell your location information to advertisers. Companies need your permission to share information.

    4) Collected Privacy Information Must Be Protected

    This one actually isn't law, but it probably will become law. Once a company gathers your privacy information, they'll have the responsibility to provide "best practices" at protecting it. The big "evil doer" here is Sony, who's recent PSN hack allowed tons of personal information to be stolen, including credit card numbers. It's said to be due to them not having the latest security features in place on their servers.

    5) Proper Enforcement Of Privacy Does Not Prevent Services Being Offered Or Profits Being Made

    There's nothing at all wrong with a company providing location based services with your data or selling your data to advertisers so long as they do it only with your consent.

    So this is a primer on the basics. There's more to privacy than this once you start digging into the details, but this'll get you started.
  • Reply 22 of 22
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

    Lot's of anti-government sentiment, not a lot of actual discussion. Do we really need to cover why it's the government's business because it's the people's business? Does the government often actually side with the people vs. corporate interests? Not often these days, but that's because people, against their self-interest, out of an immature sense that, "no one's gonna tell me what to do," keep voting for politician's who don't believe government should do anything. We saw how well that philosophy worked out under Bush after Katrina.

    Protecting privacy against corporate invasion is at least as important as protecting it against government violation, especially as corporations gain more and more power. So, yes, the government's nose belongs in this business and the people deserve to have their liberty and privacy protected from corporate cyberstalkers. Unfortunately, until people start voting for politicians who believe that America is about liberty, and not just about making a buck any way possible, not much of substance is likely to change until some huge abuse of privacy turns into a scandal.

    And, I'm almost certain that magicj is MacTripper.

    Bah! "Men are not angels", so that applies equally to those in government and business. The difference is that when businesses are exposed for cheating customers, customers "fire" the business. When government is caught in a wrongdoing, who the hell knows who to complain to? Incompetence protects incompetence.
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