Are you seriously arguing that Foxconn?s poor working conditions and/or health risk areas are ONLY in departments that build Apple?s products?
No of course not, it just seems like all the mishaps occur at Apple's production facilities. And why is that I wonder. Is it because someone's trying to vilify Apple or are Apple's production requests the cause of it?
You and Solipsism would defend Apple if Steve Jobs was caught sneaking into the place with a fucking bomb.
Anyone who doesn't sing the same song is a troll, or an idiot.
Bollocks son.
I've read many criticisms about Apple from anantksundaram (and all those other Apple Fanboys) over the years. The difference is he intelligently and rationally places blame without playing the Beach Blanket Buzzword Blame Game: Hypocrisy Edition.
No of course not, it just seems like all the mishaps occur at Apple's production facilities. And why is that I wonder. Is it because someone's trying to vilify Apple or are Apple's production requests the cause of it?
Try reading a website that doesn't revolve around Apple and you'll see that tragic things happens every day all around the world.
What part of "they need to do more to correct those problems" do you not understand?
Every time anyone brings anything up about conditions, deaths, quarterly results or anything to do with Foxconn, Apple is in the headline. Apple isn't the only company that does business with Foxconn. The problems at "iPad2 production plant" are problems at EVERY plant Foxconn owns. Problems are NOT unique to Apple products. Do you understand now?? I didn't think so......
No Apple isn't the only company Foxconn does business with but I'm sure Apple is its biggest customer. Btw who's anyone? And how do you know there's problems at EVERY plant? Are you assuming that because one factory is f'd up to work in then they all must be?
Try reading a website that doesn't revolve around Apple and you'll see that tragic things happens every day all around the world.
Oh I most certainly do. I like this site because the discussions for the most part are well thought out, and well written. The commenters on those other sites act like 10 yr olds.
Oh I most certainly do. I like this site because the discussions for the most part are well thought out, and well written. The commenters on those other sites act like 10 yr olds.
On that we certainly agree. AI's forum participants are best in class, save for a few.
No of course not, it just seems like all the mishaps occur at Apple's production facilities. And why is that I wonder. Is it because someone's trying to vilify Apple or are Apple's production requests the cause of it?
...has something to with the reporting of ANYTHING related to Apple. Let alone the natural concentration that results from being on an Apple oriented weblog. Now, if you allow your perceptions to be so easily manipulated by the media agenda, no wonder you are in such acute pain over this.
Let me make sure you understand my point - since Apple intrinsically has a very public interest value, it is therefore in any media outlet's best interest to make sure that coverage is provided, in order to capture page hits and subscriber interest for their advertisers. More so than most other tech companies. Since this is the case, Apple sees inordinately high media interest in ANYTHING even remotely associated with it's products or activities. THEREFORE you, as a passive and uncritical media consumer are subject to this prioritization of Apple related feeds, and results in you naturally being confused about things.
No just that magicj is a particularly annoying and not very bright troll.
I mean he doesn't even make sense. Foxconn workers have to endure ... "worse conditions than any American slaves endured?" WTF? Does he realise what an idiotic statement that is? Does he realise how many other, similarly idiotic statements he makes?
It's like arguing with a two year old. Insults, made up facts, and hyperbole.
No just that magicj is a particularly annoying and not very bright troll.
I mean he doesn't even make sense. Foxconn workers have to endure ... "worse conditions than any American slaves endured?" WTF? Does he realise what an idiotic statement that is? Does he realise how many other, similarly idiotic statements he makes?
It's like arguing with a two year old. Insults, made up facts, and hyperbole.
Don't forget... you're trying to explain something to a guy who says moronic things like this:
"You and Solipsism would defend Apple if Steve Jobs was caught sneaking into the place with a fucking bomb. "
You don't need to tip your hat to me, solipsism. I am no one of importance.
But you do not turn your back on injustice. You do not excuse it. It makes no difference whether it's Chinese workers building iPads or American workers mining coal. When you see a clear cut case of human abuse and shear brutality, do what you can to stop it.
Do not be so worldly-wise and jaded and bush it off with a "That's just the way it has to be".
In you're above post the word "do" is key -- people pay attention to what you do rather than listen to what you say!
You, me or anyone on these forums -- can say anything, and do nothing!
I probably don't spend enough time here to be fully aware of the cause of the friction between magicj and others on this forum but, just considering this isolated issue, I don't think he is being that unreasonable in wanting Apple to take some action.
If the reports of the extent of the dust problem at this factory are correct, and whether it was aluminum or magnesium (both are easily dispersed and explosive at small particle sizes), this is an obvious and serious hazard. In the US and elsewhere there are clear regulations regarding electrical equipment specifications for such environments to prevent explosions, if the presence of airborne dust cannot be mitigated.
Even though Foxconn is just a contractor, it would not seem unreasonable to expect Apple, as a major customer, at least to require them to adhere to basic infrastructure safety standards.
As for all the slavery analogies, I don't think there is any need to go there. Worker conditions are much more a locally defined and subjective standard than plant infrastructure and engineering safety.
I'm glad Apple has at least acknowledged that problems exist at the Foxconn plant they use, but they need to do more to correct those problems. And they need to start now.
Yeah cause we all know that Apple owns Foxconn and they decide Chinese labor laws. Jobs himself decides everything that happens at the plants.
NOT!
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Originally Posted by magicj
I am not in any way trying to spare those other companies, but the fact is the explosion took place in a factory working on iPads as was probably due to the aluminum polishing process used on iPads.
Less than 20-30% of volume comes from that plant and we don't know that the ipads that are assembled there were done so in the area where the explosion took place.
For all we know it was a bunch of Sony TVs that created the dust and a faulty XBox that exploded and ignited it.
No of course not, it just seems like all the mishaps occur at Apple's production facilities. And why is that I wonder. Is it because someone's trying to vilify Apple or are Apple's production requests the cause of it?
they don't just happen at Apple related places. They happen everywhere.
But the media only cares to hype up the Apple incidents because they get tons of hits which means tons of ad revenue etc. Who cares about the facts, like Apple doesn't control Chinese labor law. Or that perhaps the area of the explosion was on the far end from any Apple related production. If they can slap Apple in the headline they will
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Hopefully there are! Imagine the amount you could get for a finger on eBay!
Hopefully there aren't any body parts in the box it comes in.
Yeah, maybe we should go back to pre-indtustrial age life -- where the streets were paved with animal feces and the average life-span was 30-40.
correct my friend
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this nice kind person needs to learn some humanity >>> magic
apple has nothing to do with this sad happening.
some people here need a life
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in sunny red chinas dozens of slaves die every minute since 1949 . China is a very rough place , their coal; mines alone kill off thousands .
it would be nice to have a balanced talk here.
Are you seriously arguing that Foxconn?s poor working conditions and/or health risk areas are ONLY in departments that build Apple?s products?
No of course not, it just seems like all the mishaps occur at Apple's production facilities. And why is that I wonder. Is it because someone's trying to vilify Apple or are Apple's production requests the cause of it?
You and Solipsism would defend Apple if Steve Jobs was caught sneaking into the place with a fucking bomb.
Anyone who doesn't sing the same song is a troll, or an idiot.
Bollocks son.
I've read many criticisms about Apple from anantksundaram (and all those other Apple Fanboys) over the years. The difference is he intelligently and rationally places blame without playing the Beach Blanket Buzzword Blame Game: Hypocrisy Edition.
No of course not, it just seems like all the mishaps occur at Apple's production facilities. And why is that I wonder. Is it because someone's trying to vilify Apple or are Apple's production requests the cause of it?
Try reading a website that doesn't revolve around Apple and you'll see that tragic things happens every day all around the world.
Didn't you all jump on a poster for making jokes about the explosion the day the story broke? But it's okay now?
Hmmm, I guess timing is everything.
I was expecting pure, seething, mock outrage when I said it. Weird
What part of "they need to do more to correct those problems" do you not understand?
Every time anyone brings anything up about conditions, deaths, quarterly results or anything to do with Foxconn, Apple is in the headline. Apple isn't the only company that does business with Foxconn. The problems at "iPad2 production plant" are problems at EVERY plant Foxconn owns. Problems are NOT unique to Apple products. Do you understand now?? I didn't think so......
No Apple isn't the only company Foxconn does business with but I'm sure Apple is its biggest customer. Btw who's anyone? And how do you know there's problems at EVERY plant? Are you assuming that because one factory is f'd up to work in then they all must be?
Try reading a website that doesn't revolve around Apple and you'll see that tragic things happens every day all around the world.
Oh I most certainly do. I like this site because the discussions for the most part are well thought out, and well written. The commenters on those other sites act like 10 yr olds.
Oh I most certainly do. I like this site because the discussions for the most part are well thought out, and well written. The commenters on those other sites act like 10 yr olds.
On that we certainly agree. AI's forum participants are best in class, save for a few.
No of course not, it just seems like all the mishaps occur at Apple's production facilities. And why is that I wonder. Is it because someone's trying to vilify Apple or are Apple's production requests the cause of it?
...has something to with the reporting of ANYTHING related to Apple. Let alone the natural concentration that results from being on an Apple oriented weblog. Now, if you allow your perceptions to be so easily manipulated by the media agenda, no wonder you are in such acute pain over this.
Let me make sure you understand my point - since Apple intrinsically has a very public interest value, it is therefore in any media outlet's best interest to make sure that coverage is provided, in order to capture page hits and subscriber interest for their advertisers. More so than most other tech companies. Since this is the case, Apple sees inordinately high media interest in ANYTHING even remotely associated with it's products or activities. THEREFORE you, as a passive and uncritical media consumer are subject to this prioritization of Apple related feeds, and results in you naturally being confused about things.
The truth is ugly, isn't it?
No just that magicj is a particularly annoying and not very bright troll.
I mean he doesn't even make sense. Foxconn workers have to endure ... "worse conditions than any American slaves endured?" WTF? Does he realise what an idiotic statement that is? Does he realise how many other, similarly idiotic statements he makes?
It's like arguing with a two year old. Insults, made up facts, and hyperbole.
On that we certainly agree. AI's forum participants are best in class, save for a few.
save... a... few...!
Hey!!!!
. When you see a clear cut case of human abuse and shear brutality, do what you can to stop it.
I'm never getting a haircut at SuperCuts again.
No just that magicj is a particularly annoying and not very bright troll.
I mean he doesn't even make sense. Foxconn workers have to endure ... "worse conditions than any American slaves endured?" WTF? Does he realise what an idiotic statement that is? Does he realise how many other, similarly idiotic statements he makes?
It's like arguing with a two year old. Insults, made up facts, and hyperbole.
Don't forget... you're trying to explain something to a guy who says moronic things like this:
"You and Solipsism would defend Apple if Steve Jobs was caught sneaking into the place with a fucking bomb. "
Nuff said...
You don't need to tip your hat to me, solipsism. I am no one of importance.
But you do not turn your back on injustice. You do not excuse it. It makes no difference whether it's Chinese workers building iPads or American workers mining coal. When you see a clear cut case of human abuse and shear brutality, do what you can to stop it.
Do not be so worldly-wise and jaded and bush it off with a "That's just the way it has to be".
In you're above post the word "do" is key -- people pay attention to what you do rather than listen to what you say!
You, me or anyone on these forums -- can say anything, and do nothing!
What does that accomplish?
If the reports of the extent of the dust problem at this factory are correct, and whether it was aluminum or magnesium (both are easily dispersed and explosive at small particle sizes), this is an obvious and serious hazard. In the US and elsewhere there are clear regulations regarding electrical equipment specifications for such environments to prevent explosions, if the presence of airborne dust cannot be mitigated.
Even though Foxconn is just a contractor, it would not seem unreasonable to expect Apple, as a major customer, at least to require them to adhere to basic infrastructure safety standards.
As for all the slavery analogies, I don't think there is any need to go there. Worker conditions are much more a locally defined and subjective standard than plant infrastructure and engineering safety.
I'm glad Apple has at least acknowledged that problems exist at the Foxconn plant they use, but they need to do more to correct those problems. And they need to start now.
Yeah cause we all know that Apple owns Foxconn and they decide Chinese labor laws. Jobs himself decides everything that happens at the plants.
NOT!
I am not in any way trying to spare those other companies, but the fact is the explosion took place in a factory working on iPads as was probably due to the aluminum polishing process used on iPads.
Less than 20-30% of volume comes from that plant and we don't know that the ipads that are assembled there were done so in the area where the explosion took place.
For all we know it was a bunch of Sony TVs that created the dust and a faulty XBox that exploded and ignited it.
Out of curiosity, why order from MacMall when they’re ship times are longer than Apple’s ship times?
Sales Tax, plus I'm not in a rush. I already have mine; this one's just for my wife's games.
3) I think Apple is their biggest customer,
Or not. But that is beside the point
I bet even if the issue had nothing to do with an Apple product the media would phrase it as such to mention Apple.
That is the real point. If there is any kind of Apple connection it is hyped for hits.
1) magicj is going to vilify Apple no matter what they do.
I might have missed it but did he ever tell us what app he's developing/developed?
No of course not, it just seems like all the mishaps occur at Apple's production facilities. And why is that I wonder. Is it because someone's trying to vilify Apple or are Apple's production requests the cause of it?
they don't just happen at Apple related places. They happen everywhere.
But the media only cares to hype up the Apple incidents because they get tons of hits which means tons of ad revenue etc. Who cares about the facts, like Apple doesn't control Chinese labor law. Or that perhaps the area of the explosion was on the far end from any Apple related production. If they can slap Apple in the headline they will