Oh please? Europe is guilty of that 100 times over. Ask the new EU members how they feel about the huge farm payouts to the old EU members. Europe sparks as many trade wars as anyone else. H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E</strong><hr></blockquote>
I was under the impression we were talking about what a hypothetical US cable television viewer would see on the evening news if the US liberals actually had control of what was shown. Specifically in relation to the US being hated by the rest of the world. (re: zMench's link)
You are following this part of the thread, yes? And you did read the link before leaping unnecessarily to the defense of your country with the traditional battle cry of "other countries do it too!". Didn't you?
Do you disagree and think that the US liberals would spend more time on the failings of the EU when discussing hatred of the US? Are US liberals really that concerned with new EU members getting a fair deal and it's (previously unnoticed) detrimental impact on global perceptions of the US.
Doesn't seem likely to me, nor does it fit in with the caricature of the liberal media and their agenda that some have put forward.
Again, interesting choice of wording. If you’re gonna trade insults, at least be consistent Doc. Cause me thought you were some kinda big shot Lawyer or expert in American law, or maybe an Astronut, 243 miles up. I am rather surprised to learn of your expertise in psychiatric medicine as well.
Now Doc, I openly admit I don’t have the medical qualifications to pronounce *you* a schizophrenic, although it is a definite a possibility given the above. I will take the liberty however, and use your words, to describe your words, as “the babbling thoughts of a fools mind”.
On second thought, I’ll just call you for what I think you are: a Mohammedian. (This btw, would place *you* in the imperialist camp and NOT the Americans).
God is great. Hope you enjoy his company real soon.
Not at all. Did I imply that? (genuinly curious)</strong><hr></blockquote>
A ?bias? would imply statistical error: a statistical sampling or testing error caused by systematically favoring some outcomes over others. Unless you wished to include yourself as part of that statistical error, my statement is perfectly valid and free for error. And even if we were to include you as part of the non-Mohammedian group hating the United States, you?ll have to admit that it will still be insufficient to be of statistical significance. Therefore, my statement is perfectly valid, and free of bias.
Did you not notice that the question was about whether they like Americans as people?
Speaking as a liberal european, I like Americans as people but don't like the actions of the government abroad.
I'm sure the liberal Americans who seek to change US foreign policy like most of their countrymen.
In fact every poll or informal article I've ever read about it says that even the Iraqi people like Americans.
Most polls of the Arab world claim that Arabs like Americans as people, American cultural imports like music and movies and America as a 'brand' i.e. the things it stands for, liberty, democracy etc.
What they don't like is America's continued cack-handedness and double standards when it comes to foreign policy.
Now does any of that, good or bad, sound like typical tabloid fodder.
People actually like us, film at eleven.
We interrupt this program to bring you this special bulletin: Complex geopolitical situations mishandled by the US to favour big business.
It's tabloid TV, it reports sex, death, celebrity, fear and violence. If it can get these in any combination then it hits the ratings jackpot.
So why do liberals get the blame for this? Ignoring the fact that this guy obviously blames them for everything.
It is the belief that the US is hated for what it is, rather than for what it does that supports much of the civil-rights stealing fear-mongering at home and the war-mongering abroad. The liberals want no part of it.
When you see a calm, reasonable foreigner on the evening news discussing how disappointed he is with US tariffs stifling free trade after his country was forced to drop their own by the US then you will know the liberals have taken over.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Stupid,
I know you ppl now like to call yourselves ?European Liberals?, but don?t you think that as such, you should be a little bitty tinny itzy familiar with concept of democracy and representative government? You know, ?We the people..? Or maybe it is that them Arab that are so infused burning the American flag and claiming that they like America and Americans, like only them Americans that do not vote? (Like, for example, the non-voting Muslims in America, that do not vote because it?s against their religion to do so).
Lots of words, but you didn't say anything meaningful to the conversation.
You should become a Politician. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Oh and you should have learned in elementary school that a word shouldn't be used in its own definition. That rule generally applies to ideas too.</strong><hr></blockquote>
So now you?re a professor of English as well? Well, Prof. Webster, you might want to look at this** sentence of yours and learn the difference between ?then? and ?than?. Cause this stuff is kinda elementary Professor. Also, and can you please illustrate for us by example where your above criticism applies to anything I said?
**"You can be the one that sold a drug to an athlete and than accuse them of winning because they were under the influence."
I know you ppl now like to call yourselves ?European Liberals?, but don?t you think that as such, you should be a little bitty tinny itzy familiar with concept of democracy and representative government? You know, ?We the people..? Or maybe it is that them Arab that are so infused burning the American flag and claiming that they like America and Americans, like only them Americans that do not vote? (Like, for example, the non-voting Muslims in America, that do not vote because it?s against their religion to do so).
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Oh please? Europe is guilty of that 100 times over. Ask the new EU members how they feel about the huge farm payouts to the old EU members. Europe sparks as many trade wars as anyone else. H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E</strong><hr></blockquote>
I was under the impression we were talking about what a hypothetical US cable television viewer would see on the evening news if the US liberals actually had control of what was shown. Specifically in relation to the US being hated by the rest of the world. (re: zMench's link)
You are following this part of the thread, yes? And you did read the link before leaping unnecessarily to the defense of your country with the traditional battle cry of "other countries do it too!". Didn't you?
Do you disagree and think that the US liberals would spend more time on the failings of the EU when discussing hatred of the US? Are US liberals really that concerned with new EU members getting a fair deal and it's (previously unnoticed) detrimental impact on global perceptions of the US.
Doesn't seem likely to me, nor does it fit in with the caricature of the liberal media and their agenda that some have put forward.
So, what exactly was your point?
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Again, interesting choice of wording. If you’re gonna trade insults, at least be consistent Doc. Cause me thought you were some kinda big shot Lawyer or expert in American law, or maybe an Astronut, 243 miles up. I am rather surprised to learn of your expertise in psychiatric medicine as well.
Now Doc, I openly admit I don’t have the medical qualifications to pronounce *you* a schizophrenic, although it is a definite a possibility given the above. I will take the liberty however, and use your words, to describe your words, as “the babbling thoughts of a fools mind”.
On second thought, I’ll just call you for what I think you are: a Mohammedian. (This btw, would place *you* in the imperialist camp and NOT the Americans).
God is great. Hope you enjoy his company real soon.
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Lots of words, but you didn't say anything meaningful to the conversation.
You should become a Politician. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Oh and you should have learned in elementary school that a word shouldn't be used in its own definition. That rule generally applies to ideas too.
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Not at all. Did I imply that? (genuinly curious)</strong><hr></blockquote>
A ?bias? would imply statistical error: a statistical sampling or testing error caused by systematically favoring some outcomes over others. Unless you wished to include yourself as part of that statistical error, my statement is perfectly valid and free for error. And even if we were to include you as part of the non-Mohammedian group hating the United States, you?ll have to admit that it will still be insufficient to be of statistical significance. Therefore, my statement is perfectly valid, and free of bias.
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Did you not notice that the question was about whether they like Americans as people?
Speaking as a liberal european, I like Americans as people but don't like the actions of the government abroad.
I'm sure the liberal Americans who seek to change US foreign policy like most of their countrymen.
In fact every poll or informal article I've ever read about it says that even the Iraqi people like Americans.
Most polls of the Arab world claim that Arabs like Americans as people, American cultural imports like music and movies and America as a 'brand' i.e. the things it stands for, liberty, democracy etc.
What they don't like is America's continued cack-handedness and double standards when it comes to foreign policy.
Now does any of that, good or bad, sound like typical tabloid fodder.
People actually like us, film at eleven.
We interrupt this program to bring you this special bulletin: Complex geopolitical situations mishandled by the US to favour big business.
It's tabloid TV, it reports sex, death, celebrity, fear and violence. If it can get these in any combination then it hits the ratings jackpot.
So why do liberals get the blame for this? Ignoring the fact that this guy obviously blames them for everything.
It is the belief that the US is hated for what it is, rather than for what it does that supports much of the civil-rights stealing fear-mongering at home and the war-mongering abroad. The liberals want no part of it.
When you see a calm, reasonable foreigner on the evening news discussing how disappointed he is with US tariffs stifling free trade after his country was forced to drop their own by the US then you will know the liberals have taken over.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Stupid,
I know you ppl now like to call yourselves ?European Liberals?, but don?t you think that as such, you should be a little bitty tinny itzy familiar with concept of democracy and representative government? You know, ?We the people..? Or maybe it is that them Arab that are so infused burning the American flag and claiming that they like America and Americans, like only them Americans that do not vote? (Like, for example, the non-voting Muslims in America, that do not vote because it?s against their religion to do so).
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Lots of words, but you didn't say anything meaningful to the conversation.
You should become a Politician. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Oh and you should have learned in elementary school that a word shouldn't be used in its own definition. That rule generally applies to ideas too.</strong><hr></blockquote>
So now you?re a professor of English as well? Well, Prof. Webster, you might want to look at this** sentence of yours and learn the difference between ?then? and ?than?. Cause this stuff is kinda elementary Professor. Also, and can you please illustrate for us by example where your above criticism applies to anything I said?
**"You can be the one that sold a drug to an athlete and than accuse them of winning because they were under the influence."
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**"You can be the one that sold a drug to an athlete and than accuse them of winning because they were under the influence."</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well at least I'll accept criticism, as petty as the typo is. I agree that the 'than' should have been 'then'.
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Stupid,
I know you ppl now like to call yourselves ?European Liberals?, but don?t you think that as such, you should be a little bitty tinny itzy familiar with concept of democracy and representative government? You know, ?We the people..? Or maybe it is that them Arab that are so infused burning the American flag and claiming that they like America and Americans, like only them Americans that do not vote? (Like, for example, the non-voting Muslims in America, that do not vote because it?s against their religion to do so).
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<img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />