<strong>I think the Woody Allen {quote} ends "by not dying"</strong><hr></blockquote>
It sounds better that way at least. It's hard to find authoritative sources on quotes like these sometimes. I've often seen the same supposed quotes in a variety of slightly different wordings, even when translation from other languages isn't available as an excuse.
More Words seems relevant to this thread in many ways too.
I like the idea of the development of a style as self reflection that becomes clearer in hindsight; how we can start to see ourselves through the shape of our work, the turn of a phrase . . . if that's what you meant . . you know the curve of an emotion thing
and Confession is also very good . . .
have you ever read Harold Bloom on Ashberry? . . . his idea of the Anxiety of Influence relates to my thinking about subjectivity (though he is staunchly a Romantic)
<strong>have you ever read Harold Bloom on Ashberry? . . . his idea of the Anxiety of Influence relates to my thinking about subjectivity (though he is staunchly a Romantic)</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, haven't read that. Looks like it's out of print now too. Not too likely to find this in my little public library, so I might have to buy it used.
<strong>Taking things a little further, do you believe that originality truly exists? </strong><hr></blockquote>
Two many people are more worried by revolutionate art, rather than simply make good one. The ego of some artists are oversized, they are so concerned by entering in history or becoming famous, that they simply produce shit (it's difficult to revulutionate things). If they where more concerned simply by fun and their own entertainement, it will be better.
I will not call this way of behaving true originality, but an artificial one. True originality in within some artists. This originality is within themself, they have just to do a work on themself to try to express it.
Same apply in car design, BMW should have staid classical for his Seven instead or change it dramatically. I take a good classical design over a bad revolutionary one any day.
Christopher Bangle is indeed the most controversial automotive designer of the year. The new Z4 is growing on me though. It's really not that bad. I abhor the 7-Series, the new 6-Series, the 5-Series, and I cringe at how the wonderful X5 would look under Bangle. I thought the 3-Series was looking a bit long in the tooth, but wow. I never expected such a radical departure for BMW. Mercedes is now officially my dream car company for "when I grow up."
I think originality in itself is over-rated. Somehow the imparative to "make it new" came to mean make it original . . . whereas I think that it means: make the experience of relating to the art, and therefor one's living experience, new, enlivened, fresh etc. Create, or recreate, the experience of wonder and awesomeness that can reside at the core of being.
I think that if 'originality' is what an artist strives after then all they end up doing is making art about striving to be original because that's what they are thinking about all the time.
best for an artist just to immerse themself in whatever craft they use and plumb the depths of that media.... which of course involves really knowing its tradition, its 'anti-tradition', etc, as well as the physical and formal aspects of the craft . . . if they go into it with passion their work will express something akin to subjectivity but which isn't merely subjective(as art is essentially relational) as it will have the contours of their nodal point of being . . . a kind of singularity of experience, and yet, singularity through the generality of the medium, transmitting teh singular repeatedly
rhetoric thick as usual . . but maybe that tells you kinda what I think . .
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<strong>I think the Woody Allen {quote} ends "by not dying"</strong><hr></blockquote>
It sounds better that way at least. It's hard to find authoritative sources on quotes like these sometimes. I've often seen the same supposed quotes in a variety of slightly different wordings, even when translation from other languages isn't available as an excuse.
<a href="http://www.ag.wastholm.net/author/Woody_Allen"; target="_blank">http://www.ag.wastholm.net/author/Woody_Allen</A>;
<a href="http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/w/q100046.html"; target="_blank">http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/w/q100046.html</A>;
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I like the idea of the development of a style as self reflection that becomes clearer in hindsight; how we can start to see ourselves through the shape of our work, the turn of a phrase . . . if that's what you meant . . you know the curve of an emotion thing
and Confession is also very good . . .
have you ever read Harold Bloom on Ashberry? . . . his idea of the Anxiety of Influence relates to my thinking about subjectivity (though he is staunchly a Romantic)
<strong>have you ever read Harold Bloom on Ashberry? . . . his idea of the Anxiety of Influence relates to my thinking about subjectivity (though he is staunchly a Romantic)</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, haven't read that. Looks like it's out of print now too. Not too likely to find this in my little public library, so I might have to buy it used.
<strong>Taking things a little further, do you believe that originality truly exists?
Two many people are more worried by revolutionate art, rather than simply make good one. The ego of some artists are oversized, they are so concerned by entering in history or becoming famous, that they simply produce shit (it's difficult to revulutionate things). If they where more concerned simply by fun and their own entertainement, it will be better.
I will not call this way of behaving true originality, but an artificial one. True originality in within some artists. This originality is within themself, they have just to do a work on themself to try to express it.
Same apply in car design, BMW should have staid classical for his Seven instead or change it dramatically. I take a good classical design over a bad revolutionary one any day.
<strong>Taking things a little further, do you believe that originality truly exists?
pfflam,
I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on this.
I think that if 'originality' is what an artist strives after then all they end up doing is making art about striving to be original because that's what they are thinking about all the time.
best for an artist just to immerse themself in whatever craft they use and plumb the depths of that media.... which of course involves really knowing its tradition, its 'anti-tradition', etc, as well as the physical and formal aspects of the craft . . . if they go into it with passion their work will express something akin to subjectivity but which isn't merely subjective(as art is essentially relational) as it will have the contours of their nodal point of being . . . a kind of singularity of experience, and yet, singularity through the generality of the medium, transmitting teh singular repeatedly
rhetoric thick as usual . . but maybe that tells you kinda what I think . .