The feds shouldn't go down the Apple route. Apple still doesn't have powerful enterprise management tools. That's why the Prez still uses a locked down BB.
Won't it always be?... Both for our beloved OS, as well as, our beloved county.
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I guess thats a rhetorical question
There are different levels of security. My 'very limited' understanding is RIM's security handleing of data etc is considered one of the best out there. While, based on what I have read... Apples is below that. Is Apples good enough for state and corporate secrets, ITAR rules etc, I don't know. Perhaps others can chime in?
The feds shouldn't go down the Apple route. Apple still doesn't have powerful enterprise management tools. That's why the Prez still uses a locked down BB.
Agree. Hmmm wonder if the new data center will help with that?
This is what happens when a company rests on its laurels. Apple is constantly pushing forward while Blackberry just sat there thinking their technology was superior.
I don't think RIM, Nokia or M$ were resting on their laurels. They just didn't have any gas left in the tank.
Unless you are a Steve Jobs or an Andy Rubin you just can't see what is coming around the corner.
Blackberry had the market cornered. How could they, the co-CEOs, have seen what was coming when they had a product that blew everything else away in that market. No vision maybe... but not resting on laurels.
Don't forget that Andy Rubin is an Apple alumnus and also one of the original people to work at General Magic... a pda software engineer's dream. Also, Steve J. himself didn't really see the idea of the phone right away... iOS was originally for an iPad like device. Either a light bulb went off in his head or an off the cuff remark was made at a meeting and, voila, iPhone.
Who is to say that something else won't come along soon to put iOS and Android in the dust... although I doubt it... it takes big $$$ to play in this game. I'm still not ready to bury M$... somebody may yet murder Caesar and then carry M$ to greater things... they have many $$$ to burn still.
Walk into your local Apple store and ask to see FileMaker Go on an iPad and you won't find it. When i asked an Apple store employee about it, his response was "we only have Apple software for demonstration on the iPads".
Is FileMaker no longer an Apple stepchild? Thought Apple owned them, or at least a large percentage of them. Did I miss a spinoff?
I can set up a crate of iPhones on an Exchange Server in the time it takes to set up a single BlackBerry. I will give Microsoft credit here ActiveSync is better than BES. And if you don't have a BES server onsite and decide to go through the service provider to do it....prepare for long hold times.
The comment I am about to make will go over heads of those South of the our boarder here in Canada. However I can hear it now, said by some well meaning ignorant politician in Ottawa. "We cannot have our civil servants buying from a US company, we must have Canadian content. Therefore they must buy Blackberries " To which the average Joe Blow Canadian will say as he does about all the US Television content. "Up You Nose with a Rubber Hose" mind you it will be said politely.
We have a Steve in Canada as well... not quite as forward thinking as Steve J. but he'll do anything to appear cool... so, as you point out, Apple will be in and RIM will be out. A Blackberry will be so yesterday...
My 'very limited' understanding is RIM's security handleing of data etc is considered one of the best out there. While, based on what I have read... Apples is below that. Is Apples good enough for state and corporate secrets, ITAR rules etc, I don't know. Perhaps others can chime in?
I never understood who that could be true since all communication* has to get routed through Canada. Isn't the lack of security the reason why India and UAE (probably others) had an issue with RiM's BES?
I never understood who that could be true since all communication* has to get routed through Canada. Isn't the lack of security the reason why India and UAE (probably others) had an issue with RiM's BES?
I understood the issue was because the security was too good. Those governments policies include monitoring of all communications and RIM neither supported now allowed it.
I understood the issue was because the security was too good. Those governments policies include monitoring of all communications and RIM neither supported now allowed it.
Point taken on India and UAE issues, but how can data be more secure for a company if it's taken from their servers and routed through a 3rd-party ? in another country, no less*? before being pushed to the mobile device. Even with intermediary telcos, ISPs and wireless transmissions give the possibility for data to be captured and decrypted.
So what I'm asking is how is BES more secure than ActiveSync? Is BES encryption that much better?
FWIW, I don't see Apple's devices being permitted for any uses that would have security concerns or requirements, as least for now. NSA Suite B certification would be a necessity I would think. But I'm no security expert.
Android has only recently been certified for secured use in the US Government.
This is what happens when a company rests on its laurels. Apple is constantly pushing forward while Blackberry just sat there thinking their technology was superior.
RIM isn't resting on it's laurels...they're hard at working following Apple, adding touchscreens and app stores and tablets to everything!
The comment I am about to make will go over heads of those South of the our boarder here in Canada. However I can hear it now, said by some well meaning ignorant politician in Ottawa. "We cannot have our civil servants buying from a US company, we must have Canadian content. Therefore they must buy Blackberries " To which the average Joe Blow Canadian will say as he does about all the US Television content. "Up You Nose with a Rubber Hose" mind you it will be said politely.
This whole concept of a separation between Canada and the U.S. will soon lose more and moe meaning, it doesn't matter if Canada still claims Commonwealth status. The separating line between the two countries continues to blur. Soon everything will be labeled made in North America, TV content will be listed as made in North America (have you noticed how many companies are now filming in Canada, instead of the U.S.?), etc...
The US didn't care that RIM was a Canadian company when they bought the product. And I doubt Canada will care if iDevices are made in the US. As long as it's made in N America.
This whole concept of a separation between Canada and the U.S. will soon lose more and moe meaning, it doesn't matter if Canada still claims Commonwealth status. The separating line between the two countries continues to blur. Soon everything will be labeled made in North America, TV content will be listed as made in North America (have you noticed how many companies are now filming in Canada, instead of the U.S.?), etc...
The US didn't care that RIM was a Canadian company when they bought the product. And I doubt Canada will care if iDevices are made in the US. As long as it's made in N America.
I think absolutely the opposite... ask Border Services if the line is blurring.
As far as smartphones go... well, the line has always been blurred.
FWIW, I don't see Apple's devices being permitted for any uses that would have security concerns or requirements, as least for now. NSA Suite B certification would be a necessity I would think. But I'm no security expert.
Android has only recently been certified for secured use in the US Government.
An iPad is perfect for someone like the President. The President's job is to make decisions, and in order to make good decisions you need to be well informed. The iPad is very good at putting all the information you need to know right at your finger tips.
An besides, no one can live without "Angry Birds" on the ipad.
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Tech is a brutal business...one can't afford to sit on their laurels as it were. It has to be in your DNA to be constantly improving. Like Apple!
Yeah... look at Nokia today: down 15%. Sad how they let Apple clean their clocks (not that I am complaining!
Nokia will probably end up getting acquired by MSFT soon.....
Won't it always be?... Both for our beloved OS, as well as, our beloved county.
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/
/
I guess thats a rhetorical question
There are different levels of security. My 'very limited' understanding is RIM's security handleing of data etc is considered one of the best out there. While, based on what I have read... Apples is below that. Is Apples good enough for state and corporate secrets, ITAR rules etc, I don't know. Perhaps others can chime in?
The feds shouldn't go down the Apple route. Apple still doesn't have powerful enterprise management tools. That's why the Prez still uses a locked down BB.
Agree. Hmmm wonder if the new data center will help with that?
This is what happens when a company rests on its laurels. Apple is constantly pushing forward while Blackberry just sat there thinking their technology was superior.
I don't think RIM, Nokia or M$ were resting on their laurels. They just didn't have any gas left in the tank.
Unless you are a Steve Jobs or an Andy Rubin you just can't see what is coming around the corner.
Blackberry had the market cornered. How could they, the co-CEOs, have seen what was coming when they had a product that blew everything else away in that market. No vision maybe... but not resting on laurels.
Don't forget that Andy Rubin is an Apple alumnus and also one of the original people to work at General Magic... a pda software engineer's dream. Also, Steve J. himself didn't really see the idea of the phone right away... iOS was originally for an iPad like device. Either a light bulb went off in his head or an off the cuff remark was made at a meeting and, voila, iPhone.
Who is to say that something else won't come along soon to put iOS and Android in the dust... although I doubt it... it takes big $$$ to play in this game. I'm still not ready to bury M$... somebody may yet murder Caesar and then carry M$ to greater things... they have many $$$ to burn still.
Walk into your local Apple store and ask to see FileMaker Go on an iPad and you won't find it. When i asked an Apple store employee about it, his response was "we only have Apple software for demonstration on the iPads".
Is FileMaker no longer an Apple stepchild? Thought Apple owned them, or at least a large percentage of them. Did I miss a spinoff?
The comment I am about to make will go over heads of those South of the our boarder here in Canada. However I can hear it now, said by some well meaning ignorant politician in Ottawa. "We cannot have our civil servants buying from a US company, we must have Canadian content. Therefore they must buy Blackberries " To which the average Joe Blow Canadian will say as he does about all the US Television content. "Up You Nose with a Rubber Hose" mind you it will be said politely.
It's coming
It's coming
We have a Steve in Canada as well... not quite as forward thinking as Steve J. but he'll do anything to appear cool... so, as you point out, Apple will be in and RIM will be out. A Blackberry will be so yesterday...
My 'very limited' understanding is RIM's security handleing of data etc is considered one of the best out there. While, based on what I have read... Apples is below that. Is Apples good enough for state and corporate secrets, ITAR rules etc, I don't know. Perhaps others can chime in?
I never understood who that could be true since all communication* has to get routed through Canada. Isn't the lack of security the reason why India and UAE (probably others) had an issue with RiM's BES?
I never understood who that could be true since all communication* has to get routed through Canada. Isn't the lack of security the reason why India and UAE (probably others) had an issue with RiM's BES?
I understood the issue was because the security was too good. Those governments policies include monitoring of all communications and RIM neither supported now allowed it.
I understood the issue was because the security was too good. Those governments policies include monitoring of all communications and RIM neither supported now allowed it.
Point taken on India and UAE issues, but how can data be more secure for a company if it's taken from their servers and routed through a 3rd-party ? in another country, no less*? before being pushed to the mobile device. Even with intermediary telcos, ISPs and wireless transmissions give the possibility for data to be captured and decrypted.
So what I'm asking is how is BES more secure than ActiveSync? Is BES encryption that much better?
http://us.blackberry.com/ataglance/s...wledgebase.jsp
FWIW, I don't see Apple's devices being permitted for any uses that would have security concerns or requirements, as least for now. NSA Suite B certification would be a necessity I would think. But I'm no security expert.
Android has only recently been certified for secured use in the US Government.
http://mocana.com/blog/2010/06/01/go...h-nsa-suite-b/
This is what happens when a company rests on its laurels. Apple is constantly pushing forward while Blackberry just sat there thinking their technology was superior.
RIM isn't resting on it's laurels...they're hard at working following Apple, adding touchscreens and app stores and tablets to everything!
The comment I am about to make will go over heads of those South of the our boarder here in Canada. However I can hear it now, said by some well meaning ignorant politician in Ottawa. "We cannot have our civil servants buying from a US company, we must have Canadian content. Therefore they must buy Blackberries " To which the average Joe Blow Canadian will say as he does about all the US Television content. "Up You Nose with a Rubber Hose" mind you it will be said politely.
This whole concept of a separation between Canada and the U.S. will soon lose more and moe meaning, it doesn't matter if Canada still claims Commonwealth status. The separating line between the two countries continues to blur. Soon everything will be labeled made in North America, TV content will be listed as made in North America (have you noticed how many companies are now filming in Canada, instead of the U.S.?), etc...
The US didn't care that RIM was a Canadian company when they bought the product. And I doubt Canada will care if iDevices are made in the US. As long as it's made in N America.
This whole concept of a separation between Canada and the U.S. will soon lose more and moe meaning, it doesn't matter if Canada still claims Commonwealth status. The separating line between the two countries continues to blur. Soon everything will be labeled made in North America, TV content will be listed as made in North America (have you noticed how many companies are now filming in Canada, instead of the U.S.?), etc...
The US didn't care that RIM was a Canadian company when they bought the product. And I doubt Canada will care if iDevices are made in the US. As long as it's made in N America.
I think absolutely the opposite... ask Border Services if the line is blurring.
As far as smartphones go... well, the line has always been blurred.
Plenty here to study on:
http://us.blackberry.com/ataglance/s...wledgebase.jsp
FWIW, I don't see Apple's devices being permitted for any uses that would have security concerns or requirements, as least for now. NSA Suite B certification would be a necessity I would think. But I'm no security expert.
Android has only recently been certified for secured use in the US Government.
http://mocana.com/blog/2010/06/01/go...h-nsa-suite-b/
It is my understanding that iOS is currently under testing at a couple of DOE locations to assess it for replacing secure BBs.
An iPad is perfect for someone like the President. The President's job is to make decisions, and in order to make good decisions you need to be well informed. The iPad is very good at putting all the information you need to know right at your finger tips.
An besides, no one can live without "Angry Birds" on the ipad.
Walk into your local Apple store and ask to see FileMaker Go on an iPad and you won't find it.
When i asked an Apple store employee about it, his response was "we only have Apple software for demonstration on the iPads".
Post doesn't even pertain to thread issue. Maybe you should re-read the thread and post appropriately.