That's not why I used those study guides or my college counselor. I used those guides to inflate my score, not to cheat myself into getting into a college I didn't deserve to get into. I used it as insurance. I guarantee that I was mentally prepared any college I applied to.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If you agree it is artificial inflation then you have to agree that it is cheating. You may very well be qualified but any artificial inflation of the score is cheating.
[quote]DeVry University hasn't been a trade school for 25 years.<hr></blockquote>
Fair enough, but it seems clear you're at the wrong college, and you're certainly in the wrong major. You really shouldn't be learning things like "you don't count non-cash items in cash budgets" in college. I mean, sure, at college-as-trade-school, which is how most people experience it. But if you're bored to tears and hating it, and planning to do grad work in astrophysics, then you really shouldn't be doing college-as-trade-school. I guarantee you wouldn't be bored as an applied math major at my alma mater.
I agree that college isn't for geniuses. I have learned that the hard way. When you catch onto things 75 times quicker than 99% of the class and yet still are forced to do the insulting homework assignments (busywork), it can be very difficult to maintain the necessary drive to do well in all your classes. Most lectures are geared towards the lowest common denominator so you have to sit in class bored to tears while the professor explains for the thirtieth time that you don't count non-cash items in cash budgets. It's not like you can just skip all of the lecture because many classes have participation grades. Screw the fact that you ace all the tests...if you don't do the homework and don't go to class you can still end up with a C. FEH! High school was worse.
It sickens me when I see all this money flushed down the toilet to overfund these ridiculous special ed programs in public schools and yet if the money was redirected to help the smartest of the smart, there would be a much higher return on investment.
Some people do have the tools to be successful in the real world right away. However, a degree is your ticket into the best fields. There is no way around it.
i dont neccessairly mean that in a bad way.... but if what ou say is true you should be in a more challenging university/college with more intelligent students.
i dont neccessairly mean that in a bad way.... but if what ou say is true you should be in a more challenging university/college with more intelligent students.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, the atmosphere is pretty similar at UCs and CSUs.
No, the atmosphere is pretty similar at UCs and CSUs.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Are you sure? I don't have 'busy work' at the UC that I go to. I write an essay or two during the quarter, do a lot of reading, and take an exam.
I've found more that, instead being the final brainwashing place, college is the first place to break out from the institutionalised bullshit that is fostered from kindegarten to high school.
Are you sure? I don't have 'busy work' at the UC that I go to. I write an essay or two during the quarter, do a lot of reading, and take an exam.
I've found more that, instead being the final brainwashing place, college is the first place to break out from the institutionalised bullshit that is fostered from kindegarten to high school.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Are you sure? I don't have 'busy work' at the UC that I go to. I write an essay or two during the quarter, do a lot of reading, and take an exam.
I've found more that, instead being the final brainwashing place, college is the first place to break out from the institutionalised bullshit that is fostered from kindegarten to high school.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Of course there were some classes that I enjoyed. These classes were formatted similarly to the classes you described. However, I have quite a few friends who go to UCSD and UCSC who have told me that what I experience is quite similar to what they are currently experiencing.
Of course there were some classes that I enjoyed. These classes were formatted similarly to the classes you described. However, I have quite a few friends who go to UCSD and UCSC who have told me that what I experience is quite similar to what they are currently experiencing.
It's also likely the field of study. I major in Political Science, so it's generally hard to find ways to give busy work. In a CS class, though, I can see where you're coming from.
If you agree it is artificial inflation then you have to agree that it is cheating. You may very well be qualified but any artificial inflation of the score is cheating.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If you define cheating as violating the rules, then it's not cheating in the academic sense. It's only cheating in the same way a shrewd person cheats a fool out of something.
If you define cheating as violating the rules, then it's not cheating in the academic sense. It's only cheating in the same way a shrewd person cheats a fool out of something.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I consider it to be morally wrong to learn how to beat a test that is supposed to measure aptitude. One can argue that a smart person would take the time to learn how to beat said test, however, I disagree. I consider it to be cheating in the sense that it is intellectually dishonest.
<strong>yeah, but how ****ing stupid are you to go into a situation unprepared?</strong><hr></blockquote>
You should be going into the test totally prepared if you learned a damn thing in school for the previous 11 or 12 years. Don't feed me that unprepared nonsense.
I think it boils down to a confidence thing. I never even opened the SAT preparation book my mother bought for me my senior year because I knew I would get the score I needed (or better). In my mind, if I am not intelligent enough to get that score without a book that tells me how to beat the test then I don't deserve to get that score.
But then again, that's always been my way in school. I never go to review sessions, because if I didn't get it from the reading/lectures, I deserve to fail.
I don't consider it cheating, I just consider it lame and a wee bit scared.
I will refrain from making any smart ass comments about your score. Instead, I will simply leave you with this: Don't feel bad. I hope you have better luck next time.
I will refrain from making any smart ass comments about your score. Instead, I will simply leave you with this: Don't feel bad. I hope you have better luck next time.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, there wont be a next time because that 1100 along with my 3.6 GPA gets me into the University Park campus of Penn State University. I am a local therefore my scores need only be 1000 with a GPA of 3.0 to be accepted. The PSU average SAT score is 1260 though, along with a 3.2 GPA.
My dad is also the special assistant to the president of the university,
Reach for the sky, DeVry. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Well, there wont be a next time because that 1100 along with my 3.6 GPA gets me into the University Park campus of Penn State University. I am a local therefore my scores need only be 1000 with a GPA of 3.0 to be accepted. The PSU average SAT score is 1260 though, along with a 3.2 GPA.
My dad is also the special assistant to the president of the university,
Reach for the sky, DeVry. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, don't you just love sliding scales? I was accepted to various state colleges here in California with my 1460 SAT score and my shitty 2 something gpa. Acing nearly every test didn't make up for me never doing any of the assignments...oh well...I'll have my Bachelor's in 3 weeks.
Oh, by the way, I believe that our current retarded slogan is something along the lines of "imagine a future moving faster than today." They really should hire a new marketing team.
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That's not why I used those study guides or my college counselor. I used those guides to inflate my score, not to cheat myself into getting into a college I didn't deserve to get into. I used it as insurance. I guarantee that I was mentally prepared any college I applied to.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If you agree it is artificial inflation then you have to agree that it is cheating. You may very well be qualified but any artificial inflation of the score is cheating.
<strong>lol, BR's a bit sensative about his school it seems.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, I'm just quite annoyed at these idiots that don't realize that DeVry University hasn't been a trade school for 25 years.
Fair enough, but it seems clear you're at the wrong college, and you're certainly in the wrong major. You really shouldn't be learning things like "you don't count non-cash items in cash budgets" in college. I mean, sure, at college-as-trade-school, which is how most people experience it. But if you're bored to tears and hating it, and planning to do grad work in astrophysics, then you really shouldn't be doing college-as-trade-school. I guarantee you wouldn't be bored as an applied math major at my alma mater.
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I agree that college isn't for geniuses. I have learned that the hard way. When you catch onto things 75 times quicker than 99% of the class and yet still are forced to do the insulting homework assignments (busywork), it can be very difficult to maintain the necessary drive to do well in all your classes. Most lectures are geared towards the lowest common denominator so you have to sit in class bored to tears while the professor explains for the thirtieth time that you don't count non-cash items in cash budgets. It's not like you can just skip all of the lecture because many classes have participation grades. Screw the fact that you ace all the tests...if you don't do the homework and don't go to class you can still end up with a C. FEH! High school was worse.
It sickens me when I see all this money flushed down the toilet to overfund these ridiculous special ed programs in public schools and yet if the money was redirected to help the smartest of the smart, there would be a much higher return on investment.
Some people do have the tools to be successful in the real world right away. However, a degree is your ticket into the best fields. There is no way around it.
[ 01-26-2003: Message edited by: BR ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
perhaps that's because you go to Devry.
i dont neccessairly mean that in a bad way.... but if what ou say is true you should be in a more challenging university/college with more intelligent students.
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perhaps that's because you go to Devry.
i dont neccessairly mean that in a bad way.... but if what ou say is true you should be in a more challenging university/college with more intelligent students.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, the atmosphere is pretty similar at UCs and CSUs.
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No, the atmosphere is pretty similar at UCs and CSUs.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Are you sure? I don't have 'busy work' at the UC that I go to. I write an essay or two during the quarter, do a lot of reading, and take an exam.
I've found more that, instead being the final brainwashing place, college is the first place to break out from the institutionalised bullshit that is fostered from kindegarten to high school.
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Are you sure? I don't have 'busy work' at the UC that I go to. I write an essay or two during the quarter, do a lot of reading, and take an exam.
I've found more that, instead being the final brainwashing place, college is the first place to break out from the institutionalised bullshit that is fostered from kindegarten to high school.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Exactly
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Are you sure? I don't have 'busy work' at the UC that I go to. I write an essay or two during the quarter, do a lot of reading, and take an exam.
I've found more that, instead being the final brainwashing place, college is the first place to break out from the institutionalised bullshit that is fostered from kindegarten to high school.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Of course there were some classes that I enjoyed. These classes were formatted similarly to the classes you described. However, I have quite a few friends who go to UCSD and UCSC who have told me that what I experience is quite similar to what they are currently experiencing.
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Of course there were some classes that I enjoyed. These classes were formatted similarly to the classes you described. However, I have quite a few friends who go to UCSD and UCSC who have told me that what I experience is quite similar to what they are currently experiencing.
[ 01-27-2003: Message edited by: BR ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's also likely the field of study. I major in Political Science, so it's generally hard to find ways to give busy work. In a CS class, though, I can see where you're coming from.
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If you agree it is artificial inflation then you have to agree that it is cheating. You may very well be qualified but any artificial inflation of the score is cheating.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If you define cheating as violating the rules, then it's not cheating in the academic sense. It's only cheating in the same way a shrewd person cheats a fool out of something.
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If you define cheating as violating the rules, then it's not cheating in the academic sense. It's only cheating in the same way a shrewd person cheats a fool out of something.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I consider it to be morally wrong to learn how to beat a test that is supposed to measure aptitude. One can argue that a smart person would take the time to learn how to beat said test, however, I disagree. I consider it to be cheating in the sense that it is intellectually dishonest.
<strong>yeah, but how ****ing stupid are you to go into a situation unprepared?</strong><hr></blockquote>
You should be going into the test totally prepared if you learned a damn thing in school for the previous 11 or 12 years. Don't feed me that unprepared nonsense.
But then again, that's always been my way in school. I never go to review sessions, because if I didn't get it from the reading/lectures, I deserve to fail.
I don't consider it cheating, I just consider it lame and a wee bit scared.
1100
500 Math 600 Verbal
Not too horrid though.
<strong>I got my score...I wasnt at all pleased.
1100
500 Math 600 Verbal
Not too horrid though.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I will refrain from making any smart ass comments about your score. Instead, I will simply leave you with this: Don't feel bad. I hope you have better luck next time.
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I will refrain from making any smart ass comments about your score. Instead, I will simply leave you with this: Don't feel bad. I hope you have better luck next time.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, there wont be a next time because that 1100 along with my 3.6 GPA gets me into the University Park campus of Penn State University. I am a local therefore my scores need only be 1000 with a GPA of 3.0 to be accepted. The PSU average SAT score is 1260 though, along with a 3.2 GPA.
My dad is also the special assistant to the president of the university,
Reach for the sky, DeVry. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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Well, there wont be a next time because that 1100 along with my 3.6 GPA gets me into the University Park campus of Penn State University. I am a local therefore my scores need only be 1000 with a GPA of 3.0 to be accepted. The PSU average SAT score is 1260 though, along with a 3.2 GPA.
My dad is also the special assistant to the president of the university,
Reach for the sky, DeVry. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, don't you just love sliding scales? I was accepted to various state colleges here in California with my 1460 SAT score and my shitty 2 something gpa. Acing nearly every test didn't make up for me never doing any of the assignments...oh well...I'll have my Bachelor's in 3 weeks.
Oh, by the way, I believe that our current retarded slogan is something along the lines of "imagine a future moving faster than today." They really should hire a new marketing team.