I think you are mistaken. Application programmer was a well known job title going back at least to the 1970's, in the IBM mainframe world. I know because I was one and I worked on applications.
The word "program" (or is it "programme"!?) was the common parlance, however, rather than "application". Then it shifted to "software".
The word "program" (or is it "programme"!?) was the common parlance, however, rather than "application". Then it shifted to "software".
Maybe it depended upon where you worked. If you are from a place where "program" is spelled "programme", the common parlance might be different from the S.F. Bay Area, where I worked.
If a shop existed only to write application programs, I could see them shortening it to "programs".
If the shop also managed their own data center, a distinction was made between "systems programmers", who maintained the OS and TP facilities, and "applications programmers" who wrote programs for customers and users within the company. I assure you the distinction was very important to people on either side of the boundary. The pay was quite different also.
"Software programmer" has always seemed redundant to me. Sort of like "tree lumberjack".
Yrs, people is so stupid that will think Amazon is Apple. The same excuse to no accept Google Voice, people is stupid.
People are stupid. At least when it comes to technology. They're amazing at running a business, earning big bucks, raising a family, managing stress... but when it comes to simple tech-related things, to them it might as well be magic spun by dark magi dressed in elaborate robes. For example, much of the iOS crowd have never, literally never, ever figured out what syncing is.
Curious though, how will someone get an App from the Amazon App Store to install on their iOS device?
If it isn't possible, then how could people get confused since it will simply not work?
That's why Apple is making this about Amazon being inferior. They're saying that inevitably there will be big security/malware breaches on Amazon, and it will be reported in the press. People will see Amazon APP STORE and get confused, subsequently thinking that their lovely safe Apple APP STORE is affected.
I'm not sure it will fly but that's why they're making this claim - precisely because consumers can't accidentally use the wrong one.
People are stupid. At least when it comes to technology. They're amazing at running a business, earning big bucks, raising a family, managing stress... but when it comes to simple tech-related things, to them it might as well be magic spun by dark magi dressed in elaborate robes. For example, much of the iOS crowd have never, literally never, ever figured out what syncing is.
Gwydion said his reply was just sarcasm... if that's the case then he has no idea what it's like in the retail market place, and, as you said, especially in the technology market place. How many people have I run across who have bought a pc thinking that they could then install the "Apple" software to "make it run". There is a litany of examples showing how little people know about how technology works... like the guy who held the paper up to the screen so that he could fax his message, the woman who typed every fax because she believed that it worked like a telegram (or something) and would not be able to read her hand writing, the woman standing over the paper cutter at the local copy shop wondering where the buttons were so that she could make a copy, my buddy who couldn't figure out why he couldn't find certain things on the internet- not realizing that someone has to enter the data ... and the list goes on...
1) To the person saying Amazon should call it the "Malware Market," do you believe everything you read on the internet? If so, you should send me your credit card information, because it'll magically make you richer. In all seriousness though, I haven't even read about a case where the Amazon Market sent out infected apps. The Android Market, sure, but not the Amazon App Store. Regardless, I'm betting most of the people on this board have never even held an Android device...So I'm amazed at how many of them seem to think they know so much about them.
2) Regardless of whether Apple had used "App Store" for millions of years, this case will come down to whether or not the phrase is "common." If Amazon proves that the word "App Store" is more associated with a store that sells Apps than with Apple (which is what they're aiming at), Amazon will win the case. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO HAD IT FIRST IF THE WORD IS COMMON. Just ask the original trademarks of escalators, thermostats, and heroin
3) I think Amazon should grow a pair and not piggyback off of Apple's fame. Name the store something unique, and try to make it popular in its own right. At least Android named its App Store something different. Grow up Amazon.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO HAD IT FIRST IF THE WORD IS COMMON. Just ask the original trademarks of escalators, thermostats, and heroin :lol.
Or we could ask the makers of Kleenex, Band-Aids, Scotch Tape, Formica, Dumpsters, Jacuzzis, Ping Pong, Super Glue, Popsicles, Velcro and Styrofoam, all of whom still enjoy trademark protections, despite having their product names enter the lexicon as generic terms.
Or we could ask the makers of Kleenex, Band-Aids, Scotch Tape, Formica, Dumpsters, Jacuzzis, Ping Pong, Super Glue, Popsicles, Velcro and Styrofoam, all of whom still enjoy trademark protections, despite having their product names enter the lexicon as generic terms.
Don't forget Rollerblade, Zamboni, Plexiglass, Xerox oh and of course Google.
If by inferior they mean "more open," then I buy that. Otherwise, I don't care--this isn't the same Apple I used to like; it's a profoundly more greedy and sinister version of it.
Or we could ask the makers of Kleenex, Band-Aids, Scotch Tape, Formica, Dumpsters, Jacuzzis, Ping Pong, Super Glue, Popsicles, Velcro and Styrofoam, all of whom still enjoy trademark protections, despite having their product names enter the lexicon as generic terms.
None of those companies have been in a court case over their names. The only two that I could even see being in trouble of their TM being considered generic would be Kleenex and Popsicle.
Check out this link if you want to see some others (my personal favorite is Webster's Dictionary haha). So it doesn't matter whether or not there are others out there. All that matters is that THIS one is actually being brought up to court.
Edit: Some of those people are smart too. Jacuzzi markets their product as "Jacuzzi brand Hot Tubs," which is a failsafe in case someone brings up your name in court as Generic. Same with Ping Pong.
If by inferior they mean "more open," then I buy that. Otherwise, I don't care--this isn't the same Apple I used to like; it's a profoundly more greedy and sinister version of it.
A lexicon straight out of the Android astroturfers bible, the paragraph after iOS being too "restricted" which is often parrotted by those who have no idea on what it means.
The security hole occurs because in order to use the Amazon Android programs one has to tick the box in Android settings enabling other sources, which then means the Android device in question can have programs installed from ANY source including malware vendors sites.
A lexicon straight out of the Android astroturfers bible, the paragraph after iOS being too "restricted" which is often parrotted by those who have no idea on what it means.
The security hole occurs because in order to use the Amazon Android programs one has to tick the box in Android settings enabling other sources, which then means the Android device in question can have programs installed from ANY source including malware vendors sites.
Ah, someone who actually knows how an Android phone works. Good for you (So many people on this board don't own or even know how Apple/Android products work yet they feel inclined to criticize them).
Anyhow, it is worth noting that while selecting that box does allow you to install apps from any store, Apple would have to argue that it's the Amazon App Store that supplies the malware apps. Just because that box allows other malware-heavy app stores, doesn't mean Amazon's is. If the Amazon App Store is clean they have nothing to argue imo.
If by inferior they mean "more open," then I buy that. Otherwise, I don't care--this isn't the same Apple I used to like; it's a profoundly more greedy and sinister version of it.
No way. It is still headed by Steve, and he's still the same new-age guy he always was. He doesn't even take a salary! I think that proves that he is not in it for the money, but because he wants to help make the world a better place.
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False. People have used "app" as short form for application forms (i.e. job app) and software years before NeXT ever existed.
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I think you are mistaken. Application programmer was a well known job title going back at least to the 1970's, in the IBM mainframe world. I know because I was one and I worked on applications.
The word "program" (or is it "programme"!?) was the common parlance, however, rather than "application". Then it shifted to "software".
The word "program" (or is it "programme"!?) was the common parlance, however, rather than "application". Then it shifted to "software".
Maybe it depended upon where you worked. If you are from a place where "program" is spelled "programme", the common parlance might be different from the S.F. Bay Area, where I worked.
If a shop existed only to write application programs, I could see them shortening it to "programs".
If the shop also managed their own data center, a distinction was made between "systems programmers", who maintained the OS and TP facilities, and "applications programmers" who wrote programs for customers and users within the company. I assure you the distinction was very important to people on either side of the boundary. The pay was quite different also.
"Software programmer" has always seemed redundant to me. Sort of like "tree lumberjack".
If it isn't possible, then how could people get confused since it will simply not work?
Curious though, how will someone get an App from the Amazon App Store to install on their iOS device?
If it isn't possible, then how could people get confused since it will simply not work?
Answer: They Can't... which makes this entire argument even more ridiculous.
They are doing it because they invented the word, then they invented the store, then Amazon copied both.
No, they didn't invented the word, there was TWO companies before Apple trademarking AppStore
I don't know wether to laugh, cry, or both after reading this post.
It was sarcasm
Amazon did it to ride the wave of Apples success.
Palm -app catalog
Microsoft -mobile marketplace
Nokia - ovi store
Samsung - samsung apps
Nintendo - dsi shop
Sony - playstation store
Rim - blackberry app world
Apple have had the app store since July 2008 and NO OTHER MOBILE SOFTWARE COMPANY has used or tried to use the same name till Amazon in March 2011.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...mobile_devices
Yrs, people is so stupid that will think Amazon is Apple. The same excuse to no accept Google Voice, people is stupid.
People are stupid. At least when it comes to technology. They're amazing at running a business, earning big bucks, raising a family, managing stress... but when it comes to simple tech-related things, to them it might as well be magic spun by dark magi dressed in elaborate robes. For example, much of the iOS crowd have never, literally never, ever figured out what syncing is.
Curious though, how will someone get an App from the Amazon App Store to install on their iOS device?
If it isn't possible, then how could people get confused since it will simply not work?
That's why Apple is making this about Amazon being inferior. They're saying that inevitably there will be big security/malware breaches on Amazon, and it will be reported in the press. People will see Amazon APP STORE and get confused, subsequently thinking that their lovely safe Apple APP STORE is affected.
I'm not sure it will fly but that's why they're making this claim - precisely because consumers can't accidentally use the wrong one.
People are stupid. At least when it comes to technology. They're amazing at running a business, earning big bucks, raising a family, managing stress... but when it comes to simple tech-related things, to them it might as well be magic spun by dark magi dressed in elaborate robes. For example, much of the iOS crowd have never, literally never, ever figured out what syncing is.
Gwydion said his reply was just sarcasm... if that's the case then he has no idea what it's like in the retail market place, and, as you said, especially in the technology market place. How many people have I run across who have bought a pc thinking that they could then install the "Apple" software to "make it run". There is a litany of examples showing how little people know about how technology works... like the guy who held the paper up to the screen so that he could fax his message, the woman who typed every fax because she believed that it worked like a telegram (or something) and would not be able to read her hand writing, the woman standing over the paper cutter at the local copy shop wondering where the buttons were so that she could make a copy, my buddy who couldn't figure out why he couldn't find certain things on the internet- not realizing that someone has to enter the data ... and the list goes on...
Yrs, people is so stupid that will think Amazon is Apple. The same excuse to no accept Google Voice, people is stupid.
You'll be amaze how many stupid people are out there..
Infinitus Est Numerus Stultorum
~ infinite is the number of fools.
1) To the person saying Amazon should call it the "Malware Market," do you believe everything you read on the internet? If so, you should send me your credit card information, because it'll magically make you richer. In all seriousness though, I haven't even read about a case where the Amazon Market sent out infected apps. The Android Market, sure, but not the Amazon App Store. Regardless, I'm betting most of the people on this board have never even held an Android device...So I'm amazed at how many of them seem to think they know so much about them.
2) Regardless of whether Apple had used "App Store" for millions of years, this case will come down to whether or not the phrase is "common." If Amazon proves that the word "App Store" is more associated with a store that sells Apps than with Apple (which is what they're aiming at), Amazon will win the case. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO HAD IT FIRST IF THE WORD IS COMMON. Just ask the original trademarks of escalators, thermostats, and heroin
3) I think Amazon should grow a pair and not piggyback off of Apple's fame. Name the store something unique, and try to make it popular in its own right. At least Android named its App Store something different. Grow up Amazon.
Three things:
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO HAD IT FIRST IF THE WORD IS COMMON. Just ask the original trademarks of escalators, thermostats, and heroin :lol.
Or we could ask the makers of Kleenex, Band-Aids, Scotch Tape, Formica, Dumpsters, Jacuzzis, Ping Pong, Super Glue, Popsicles, Velcro and Styrofoam, all of whom still enjoy trademark protections, despite having their product names enter the lexicon as generic terms.
Or we could ask the makers of Kleenex, Band-Aids, Scotch Tape, Formica, Dumpsters, Jacuzzis, Ping Pong, Super Glue, Popsicles, Velcro and Styrofoam, all of whom still enjoy trademark protections, despite having their product names enter the lexicon as generic terms.
Don't forget Rollerblade, Zamboni, Plexiglass, Xerox oh and of course Google.
Or we could ask the makers of Kleenex, Band-Aids, Scotch Tape, Formica, Dumpsters, Jacuzzis, Ping Pong, Super Glue, Popsicles, Velcro and Styrofoam, all of whom still enjoy trademark protections, despite having their product names enter the lexicon as generic terms.
None of those companies have been in a court case over their names. The only two that I could even see being in trouble of their TM being considered generic would be Kleenex and Popsicle.
Check out this link if you want to see some others (my personal favorite is Webster's Dictionary haha). So it doesn't matter whether or not there are others out there. All that matters is that THIS one is actually being brought up to court.
Edit: Some of those people are smart too. Jacuzzi markets their product as "Jacuzzi brand Hot Tubs," which is a failsafe in case someone brings up your name in court as Generic. Same with Ping Pong.
If by inferior they mean "more open," then I buy that. Otherwise, I don't care--this isn't the same Apple I used to like; it's a profoundly more greedy and sinister version of it.
A lexicon straight out of the Android astroturfers bible, the paragraph after iOS being too "restricted" which is often parrotted by those who have no idea on what it means.
The security hole occurs because in order to use the Amazon Android programs one has to tick the box in Android settings enabling other sources, which then means the Android device in question can have programs installed from ANY source including malware vendors sites.
A lexicon straight out of the Android astroturfers bible, the paragraph after iOS being too "restricted" which is often parrotted by those who have no idea on what it means.
The security hole occurs because in order to use the Amazon Android programs one has to tick the box in Android settings enabling other sources, which then means the Android device in question can have programs installed from ANY source including malware vendors sites.
Ah, someone who actually knows how an Android phone works. Good for you
Anyhow, it is worth noting that while selecting that box does allow you to install apps from any store, Apple would have to argue that it's the Amazon App Store that supplies the malware apps. Just because that box allows other malware-heavy app stores, doesn't mean Amazon's is. If the Amazon App Store is clean they have nothing to argue imo.
If by inferior they mean "more open," then I buy that. Otherwise, I don't care--this isn't the same Apple I used to like; it's a profoundly more greedy and sinister version of it.
No way. It is still headed by Steve, and he's still the same new-age guy he always was. He doesn't even take a salary! I think that proves that he is not in it for the money, but because he wants to help make the world a better place.