Comparing Samsung to some back-alley outfit is silly. This is a major global corporation.
If they are using Apple IP, they are most certainly welcome to do so, but they'll need to pay for it. Apple cannot relent on matters like this.
You keep dreaming, Apple is going to loose just like they did with Nokia. You can have cell phone with a different arrangement of icons but you can't have a cellphone that can't transmit wireless data. Just like you can't have phone that uses GSM without paying for loyalties. Apple's IP in this arena is mostly useless, they're suing companies for icon arrangements and the companies are countersuing in the guts of what a cell phone is. If they plan to win any of these lawsuits they as Google desperately need the Nortel IP (under the current auction agreements) otherwise they will have to settle each one of these lawsuits.
Apple's IP in this arena is mostly useless, they're suing companies for icon arrangements and the companies are countersuing in the guts of what a cell phone is. If they plan to win any of these lawsuits they as Google desperately need the Nortel IP (under the current auction agreements) otherwise they will have to settle each one of these lawsuits.
Prediction they will loose just as they did against Nokia. I said here months ago and people were mad saying Apple was going to bankrupt Nokia, yep sure they did.
Apple's IP in this arena is mostly useless, they're suing companies for icon arrangements and the companies are countersuing in the guts of what a cell phone is.
Useless from what persepective? From a purely legal perspective it's entirely possible that Apple's design patents and multitouch patents will prove more useful than Nokia's GSM patents. This is because patents that have been included in a standard such as GSM have to be licensed under FRAND terms, but Apple is under no such restrictions - it can refuse to give license under any terms at all. In other words if the court finds against Oracle it could face punitive damages and have to completely redesign its products in order to avoid infringing again - Nokia could never have demanded punitive damages for GSM patent infringement.
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Prediction they will lose just as they did against Nokia. I said here months ago and people were mad saying Apple was going to bankrupt Nokia, yep sure they did.
We have no idea whether or not Nokia won, we won't know until analysts start to produce estimates on the license fees from examining Nokia and Apples accounts in future quarters. It was an incredibly complicated suit, Nokia were claiming infringement of both GSM patents and some smartphone software patents. Nokia may have been trying to get licensing to Apple's software patents. Repeat, we won't know whether Nokia won till we know how much Apple paid.. We know that it definitely wasn't a knockout for Apple, but nobody really expected that - it could possibly have been a knockout for Nokia but the timing seems to indicate otherwise - most likely it was a narrow victory to one of them - but we do not know which one.
Apple's case against Samsung for infringement on at least some grounds is extremely strong. It's pretty clear that at the end of this case Samsung wlll end up having to pay Apple something - but again we won't know who won until we find out exactly how much.
Remeber back in 1981 Apple Corps (The Beatles) sued Apple computers and they 'won' because Apple settled. Initial estimates in the press where that Apple had been made to pay 50-250mil, but in the end it turned out they had settled for $80,000. In other words, Apple had won.
Want another example? Remember when the marvellously named Winkelvoss twins sued Zuckerberg and 'won'? Facebook turned out to be worth far more than they'd been lead to believe and they're now suing again - because it was clear that they had in fact actually lost.
Erm, no. WWDC sold out completely, and was at least 50% iOS developers - most of whom would be from the US. That's 2000 people right there who's jobs were created by iProducts, and that's not including all the folks who couldn't get tickets.
Apple may only emply a very small number of people directly, but their ecosystems employ a lot of people even in the first world.
That's a good argument. Very good. But here's a better one:
Those 2000 people, or positions, are not all new. In many cases, some software shops expanded to iOS. Furthermore, are all iOS developers Americans? The top iOS app is Angry Birds - not made in the USA. But no question, the iOS ecosystem comes with new jobs. Good point indeed.
But the iManufacturing ecosystem is many fold larger. The jobs at Foxconn alone overshadow the new iOS jobs. But it does not start or stop at Foxconn. Toshiba, Omnivision, Samsung have all added many more jobs.
Therefore, the dilemma remains - US innovation creates more jobs abroad and at home (http://bit.ly/irijEI). This is because we need more people to build things than to design them. The only way to fix this structural problem is to innovate in the manufacturing sector as well (http://bit.ly/igzgYv).
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Comparing Samsung to some back-alley outfit is silly. This is a major global corporation.
If they are using Apple IP, they are most certainly welcome to do so, but they'll need to pay for it. Apple cannot relent on matters like this.
You keep dreaming, Apple is going to loose just like they did with Nokia. You can have cell phone with a different arrangement of icons but you can't have a cellphone that can't transmit wireless data. Just like you can't have phone that uses GSM without paying for loyalties. Apple's IP in this arena is mostly useless, they're suing companies for icon arrangements and the companies are countersuing in the guts of what a cell phone is. If they plan to win any of these lawsuits they as Google desperately need the Nortel IP (under the current auction agreements) otherwise they will have to settle each one of these lawsuits.
So, who blinked here? I am guessing Samsung?. :-)
Apple's IP in this arena is mostly useless, they're suing companies for icon arrangements and the companies are countersuing in the guts of what a cell phone is. If they plan to win any of these lawsuits they as Google desperately need the Nortel IP (under the current auction agreements) otherwise they will have to settle each one of these lawsuits.
Prediction they will loose just as they did against Nokia. I said here months ago and people were mad saying Apple was going to bankrupt Nokia, yep sure they did.
Apple's IP in this arena is mostly useless, they're suing companies for icon arrangements and the companies are countersuing in the guts of what a cell phone is.
Useless from what persepective? From a purely legal perspective it's entirely possible that Apple's design patents and multitouch patents will prove more useful than Nokia's GSM patents. This is because patents that have been included in a standard such as GSM have to be licensed under FRAND terms, but Apple is under no such restrictions - it can refuse to give license under any terms at all. In other words if the court finds against Oracle it could face punitive damages and have to completely redesign its products in order to avoid infringing again - Nokia could never have demanded punitive damages for GSM patent infringement.
Prediction they will lose just as they did against Nokia. I said here months ago and people were mad saying Apple was going to bankrupt Nokia, yep sure they did.
We have no idea whether or not Nokia won, we won't know until analysts start to produce estimates on the license fees from examining Nokia and Apples accounts in future quarters. It was an incredibly complicated suit, Nokia were claiming infringement of both GSM patents and some smartphone software patents. Nokia may have been trying to get licensing to Apple's software patents. Repeat, we won't know whether Nokia won till we know how much Apple paid.. We know that it definitely wasn't a knockout for Apple, but nobody really expected that - it could possibly have been a knockout for Nokia but the timing seems to indicate otherwise - most likely it was a narrow victory to one of them - but we do not know which one.
Apple's case against Samsung for infringement on at least some grounds is extremely strong. It's pretty clear that at the end of this case Samsung wlll end up having to pay Apple something - but again we won't know who won until we find out exactly how much.
Remeber back in 1981 Apple Corps (The Beatles) sued Apple computers and they 'won' because Apple settled. Initial estimates in the press where that Apple had been made to pay 50-250mil, but in the end it turned out they had settled for $80,000. In other words, Apple had won.
Want another example? Remember when the marvellously named Winkelvoss twins sued Zuckerberg and 'won'? Facebook turned out to be worth far more than they'd been lead to believe and they're now suing again - because it was clear that they had in fact actually lost.
Erm, no. WWDC sold out completely, and was at least 50% iOS developers - most of whom would be from the US. That's 2000 people right there who's jobs were created by iProducts, and that's not including all the folks who couldn't get tickets.
Apple may only emply a very small number of people directly, but their ecosystems employ a lot of people even in the first world.
That's a good argument. Very good. But here's a better one:
Those 2000 people, or positions, are not all new. In many cases, some software shops expanded to iOS. Furthermore, are all iOS developers Americans? The top iOS app is Angry Birds - not made in the USA. But no question, the iOS ecosystem comes with new jobs. Good point indeed.
But the iManufacturing ecosystem is many fold larger. The jobs at Foxconn alone overshadow the new iOS jobs. But it does not start or stop at Foxconn. Toshiba, Omnivision, Samsung have all added many more jobs.
Therefore, the dilemma remains - US innovation creates more jobs abroad and at home (http://bit.ly/irijEI). This is because we need more people to build things than to design them. The only way to fix this structural problem is to innovate in the manufacturing sector as well (http://bit.ly/igzgYv).