Rumor: Apple helping Facebook's 'secret' HTML5 project

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  • Reply 21 of 48
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 7,123member
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    Originally Posted by benanderson89 View Post


    I'd like to point out the post above yours, showing what a bit of HTML5 and JS can accomplish. Thats just as good as most FPS games in the App Store. You'll just be lacking the gyro and accelerometer.



    HTML5 is great, and a huge improvement over Flash, but there is always going to be a gap between what you can do in it and what you can do natively.
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  • Reply 22 of 48
    macrulezmacrulez Posts: 2,455member
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  • Reply 23 of 48
    I see... an inside job
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  • Reply 24 of 48
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,769member
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    What the hell are you rambling on about? Who the hell do you think brought HTML5 to the World? Apple. Dave Hyatt co-wrote the standard brought to the W3C.



    According to Wikipedia, "Ian Hickson of Google, Inc., is the editor of HTML5." Of course they could be mistaken.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5
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  • Reply 25 of 48
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 7,123member
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    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


    According to Wikipedia, "Ian Hickson of Google, Inc., is the editor of HTML5." Of course they could be mistaken.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5



    Or, maybe you just don't know what that means.
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  • Reply 26 of 48
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,769member
    Certainly possible. Do you know what it means? Honest question.
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  • Reply 27 of 48
    bartfatbartfat Posts: 434member
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    Certainly possible. Do you know what it means? Honest question.



    I think he means there's a difference between author and editor.
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  • Reply 28 of 48
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,769member
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    I think he means there's a difference between author and editor.



    Are they mutually exclusive? According to this article, David Hyatt (w/Apple) is also an Editor for HTML5? I just don't find any source that says Apple created HTML5.
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  • Reply 29 of 48
    sockrolidsockrolid Posts: 2,789member
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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    [...] Facebook has "pissed off" Apple in the past and suffered repercussions as a result. According to the report, Facebook is scared of Apple and has to "tread lightly." [...]



    Way back in the day at Macworld NY in 2000, ATI published a press release stating that their new Radeon graphics cards would be installed in three new Mac models. Two days before Steve Jobs' keynote. Steve was so angry about this that he removed any mention of ATI or Radeon from his keynote. He also ordered all Radeon cards to be replaced with other cards in all Macs on the show floor, and all signage at the Apple both had the words "ATI" and "Radeon" blacked out. It took years for the Apple - ATI relationship to warm up again.



    In 2005, Motorola did such a bad job designing, building, and marketing the first "iTunes phone" (the ROKR) that it was a sales dud. Steve said as little as possible about it, saying far more about the new iPod nano that was released at the same time. Moto, you could have evolved ROKR into iPhone if you hadn't pissed Steve off.



    It really feels like Facebook pissed Steve off too. They're doing extremely well in an area where Apple is doing very poorly: social networking. Ping just isn't cutting it, Apple and Facebook know it, and Facebook is using that as a bargaining tool.



    No big deal for Apple. Safari renders Facebook.com just fine. The real big deal is that Apple can now leverage iOS installed base and Facebook's popularity against Flash. iOS + HTML5 on Facebook will help speed up the inevitable decline and fall of Flash.
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  • Reply 30 of 48
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    Originally Posted by benanderson89 View Post


    ... flash can't even do 3D



    Flash can indeed "do" 3D:



    Molehill



    away3d
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  • Reply 31 of 48
    bartfatbartfat Posts: 434member
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    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


    Are they mutually exclusive? According to this article, David Hyatt (w/Apple) is also an Editor for HTML5? I just don't find any source that says Apple created HTML5.



    I don't think Apple exclusively created HTML5. No one is saying that. But he definitely contributed to HTML5 in addition to Google's Ian Hickson. And anyway, no one could've created HTML5, because it's an evolution of previous HTML language versions.
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  • Reply 32 of 48
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,769member
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    Originally Posted by bartfat View Post


    I don't think Apple exclusively created HTML5. No one is saying that. But he definitely contributed to HTML5 in addition to Google's Ian Hickson. And anyway, no one could've created HTML5, because it's an evolution of previous HTML language versions.



    Which is why I had questioned MDriftMeyer's statement earlier in the thread, leading Anonymouse to suggest I didn't understand:

    "Who the hell do you think brought HTML5 to the World? Apple."
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  • Reply 33 of 48
    evilutionevilution Posts: 1,399member
    Sorry to all the people bothering with this "Spartan" project but history shows us that if Apple has done something and you are playing catch-up, you've left it too late.



    Apple has fingers in many pies and makes many different products.

    Facebook is a 1 trick pony that makes money by pushing adverts at you and selling your information to other companies.



    Facebook may be worth a lot of money now but then, so was Myspace. Once everyone has joined Facebook and got bored of the few things it offers, it will start to die.

    But not before it has helped kill off flash so lets just say that FB is a martyr and took one for the team.
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  • Reply 34 of 48
    d-ranged-range Posts: 396member
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    Originally Posted by Habañero View Post


    Flash can indeed "do" 3D:



    Molehill



    away3d



    Ironically, I can't get neither of these two things to work on my MBP with Flash player 10.whatever



    The video looks nice though, but as far as I can see this is all pre-beta stuff that has been in development for ages (the away3d site says the first version was in 2007) and yet it's still not mainstream. It's all nice and dandy that Adobe can pull off some pretty crazy stuff with Flash, but as long as it's all experimental and in a completely controlled environment, it doesn't mean much to me. Just looking at how much trouble Adobe has supporting more than the Windows runtime and the Android runtime for a few Android phones, I don't expect any of this 3D stuff to work across the board on any device with Flash before the year 2020.



    Anyway, I don't see why you would even want to write high-end 3D games in something like Flash or HTML5, even though it's technically possible. It's a waste of processing power.
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  • Reply 35 of 48
    joseph ljoseph l Posts: 197member
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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    In a follow-up report, Siegler hinted that Facebook may have held the iPad app back as leverage with Apple.



    "Apple has wanted this app since the initial iPad launch just over a year ago," the report read. "At first, Facebook made it sound as if they weren?t going to do one at all. But they have been working on it for months. And there?s no reason it should have taken that long.












    These guys are playing with fire. They is gonna get burned. Steve can chew them up and spit them out.



    If they think that they can get leverage against Steve by denying him their stupid app, they are just plain mistaken. The iPad has plenty of apps, if they haven't noticed.



    Sure - a Facebook app would be nice, but Facebook needs Apple big time, and Steve couldn't give a damn about FaceBook.



    Blackmailing behavior like they do should be illegal. It certainly is immoral.
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  • Reply 36 of 48
    macrulezmacrulez Posts: 2,455member
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  • Reply 37 of 48
    wovelwovel Posts: 956member
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    Originally Posted by holy_steven View Post


    What I get from it is that Apple will not enable full HTML5 to everybody, unless they get a cut just like with the iOS apps. Talking about the full web and open standards. Just like in the beginning that only Apple apps could work on the background of iOS.



    Then you need to work on both your reading comprehension and general technical knowledge...
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  • Reply 38 of 48
    adamcadamc Posts: 583member
    HTML 5 is the new standard and most websites offer both.



    Nowadays there are very few websites which you can't view a videos, Flash is dying and only good for ads and porn and those who refuse to adopt HTML 5 to reach out to the IOS devices. Their refusal to do so is their loss.
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  • Reply 39 of 48
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,503member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


    Which is why I had questioned MDriftMeyer's statement earlier in the thread, leading Anonymouse to suggest I didn't understand:

    "Who the hell do you think brought HTML5 to the World? Apple."



    Hyatt wrote the initial spec, brought it to Google's Ian Hickson who both extended it with the rest of the community. Hickson is now the point man editor of the spec after they brought it out for general consumption and after Dave resigned.



    Hyatt also created XUL, XBL adn co-created Firefox before leaving to work on WebKit at Apple.



    He was the editor of HTML 5 until 2010.



    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/...0Apr/0096.html
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  • Reply 40 of 48
    The beauty of Flash is that it was where most of the adverts resided and so it was very easy to hid the ads.





    With HTML 5 the adverts return with vengeance.
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