I'd add that they didn't want to risk MS getting significant traction, and that have to pay considerable fees to Apple to keep their exclusive on search within safari - which Android obviously helps them reduce.
Agreed
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Skyhook might not agree with you on that. Google are as capable of playing hardball as anybody.
The Skyhook case was lost to them because they wanted to Motorola to ditch Google on a google product, similar to how Big red was pre intalling Bing on multiple Android devices.
Last week, I think it was, we learned that the Feds had no problem with Google bidding on the Nortel patents. Now it turns out they are looking into Google for antitrust issues related to search and advertising. Makes you wonder if they realize that these Googles are the same company.
The left tentacle doesn't know what the right tentacle is doing.
Google DOES NOT WANT to kill the iPhone. It is an incredibly large amount of ad revenue heading into their pockets...THINK before you speak.
Google deployed Android for 2 reasons.
1. Ad revenue
2. Believe it or not..there exists a group of people who *gasp* don't wan't an iphone, because they believe that they should be able to control the appliance/phone/ect.. they paid for.
Lastly Google is not Apple. Google will not launch some insane blitzkrieg on Apple, Nokia, or RIM to bring them down, Google wants protection not absolute rule. Considering the options if Apple doesn't win, Google would probably be the nicest in terms of any fees. Because Nokia and RIM will most likely strike back at apple in full force with these.
My bold in your quote to highlight your contention.
Be wary of the shifting sands. You root for the DOJ, but think only of today.
Yesterday it was an anti-trust suit against Microsoft, today it's an anti-trust suit against Google. If Apple is successful in fulfilling the vision of many here in which all other companies are either stupid or evil and all must be eliminated, it's only a matter of time before the DOJ comes a' knockin' on Apple's door. Indeed, the only way to avoid it would be if Apple impairs their own growth, or radically changes the unusual level of control they exercise over the whole of their ecosystem. They survive scrutiny today only by being a minority player with both of their OSes. That may change, and as an Apple shareholder I hope it does. But with it either Apple's policies or the DOJ's focus will shift as well.....
Exactly. I'll bet money that someday the DOJ will be knocking on Apple to check out that whole "integrated" iTunes ecosystem thingie.
If they can make a case against Google in a market where Google has 65% of marketshare (and whatever the allegation....Google is not outright blocking somebody's search results), just imagine the field day the DOJ will have with Apple some day. They are probably just waiting for Apple's marketshare to grow a bit.
My bold in your quote to highlight your contention.
And you know this how?
Easy.
1. The only thing Google cares about with anything is Ads. iOS is a HUGE platform of which Google still makes plenty of $$$ off of. Google wants Apple Alive.
2. Do you REALLY think that a company that is being looked into for Anti-competitve practices in TWO continents would start suing it's competitors? What kind of world do you live in if that's the case?
We're talking about different divisions and members of the government looking at different parts of a large and complicated company. It doesn't matter what ties each division of Google has with each other, the government is looking at two different and unrelated matters. Furthermore "the government" is not one thing. It is a complex organization that doesn't operate the way seem to imply. Google is a large complex company and they can treat each division differently. Especially when we are talking about different aspects of law.
Just because Google uses search in Android or Chrome for example has nothing to do with Nortel's patent library. They aren't connected like that in the government's eyes.
Maybe the government should look into Google transferring most their profits to Bermuda via Ireland thus avoiding tax and leaving it to everyone else to fund investigations like this.
...2. Believe it or not..there exists a group of people who *gasp* don't wan't an iphone, because they believe that they should be able to control the appliance/phone/ect.. they paid for...
*facepalm*
Believe it or not there are people who believe Google's "open" marketing spiel who would be better served by a Nokia handset running Meamo/Meego.
For a simple example of Google's "openness", where's the source for Honeycomb?
For a simple example of Google's "openness", where's the source for Honeycomb?
This was resolved a while back. Google withheld the Core components of honeycomb(AKA google services) from access. The 3.0 API's were available in the SDK, as well as the 3.1 API's. Google feared another round of fragmentation which they did not want so for a limited time the entire source code was held in repository at launch to make sure the OEM's were not pillaging it.
The Galaxy Tab is soon to receive touchwiz for Honeycomb via OTA and the Asus Eeepad Transformer(the best selling Honeycomb tablet out of the bunch so far) has an ASUS skinned UI over it.
Google has already confirmed that unlike Honeycomb, ICS has gone through it's rounds and it's code will not be held in repository at launch/
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I'd add that they didn't want to risk MS getting significant traction, and that have to pay considerable fees to Apple to keep their exclusive on search within safari - which Android obviously helps them reduce.
Agreed
Skyhook might not agree with you on that. Google are as capable of playing hardball as anybody.
The Skyhook case was lost to them because they wanted to Motorola to ditch Google on a google product, similar to how Big red was pre intalling Bing on multiple Android devices.
Last week, I think it was, we learned that the Feds had no problem with Google bidding on the Nortel patents. Now it turns out they are looking into Google for antitrust issues related to search and advertising. Makes you wonder if they realize that these Googles are the same company.
The left tentacle doesn't know what the right tentacle is doing.
*facepalm*
Google DOES NOT WANT to kill the iPhone. It is an incredibly large amount of ad revenue heading into their pockets...THINK before you speak.
Google deployed Android for 2 reasons.
1. Ad revenue
2. Believe it or not..there exists a group of people who *gasp* don't wan't an iphone, because they believe that they should be able to control the appliance/phone/ect.. they paid for.
Lastly Google is not Apple. Google will not launch some insane blitzkrieg on Apple, Nokia, or RIM to bring them down, Google wants protection not absolute rule. Considering the options if Apple doesn't win, Google would probably be the nicest in terms of any fees. Because Nokia and RIM will most likely strike back at apple in full force with these.
My bold in your quote to highlight your contention.
And you know this how?
Be wary of the shifting sands. You root for the DOJ, but think only of today.
Yesterday it was an anti-trust suit against Microsoft, today it's an anti-trust suit against Google. If Apple is successful in fulfilling the vision of many here in which all other companies are either stupid or evil and all must be eliminated, it's only a matter of time before the DOJ comes a' knockin' on Apple's door. Indeed, the only way to avoid it would be if Apple impairs their own growth, or radically changes the unusual level of control they exercise over the whole of their ecosystem. They survive scrutiny today only by being a minority player with both of their OSes. That may change, and as an Apple shareholder I hope it does. But with it either Apple's policies or the DOJ's focus will shift as well.....
Exactly. I'll bet money that someday the DOJ will be knocking on Apple to check out that whole "integrated" iTunes ecosystem thingie.
If they can make a case against Google in a market where Google has 65% of marketshare (and whatever the allegation....Google is not outright blocking somebody's search results), just imagine the field day the DOJ will have with Apple some day. They are probably just waiting for Apple's marketshare to grow a bit.
My bold in your quote to highlight your contention.
And you know this how?
Easy.
1. The only thing Google cares about with anything is Ads. iOS is a HUGE platform of which Google still makes plenty of $$$ off of. Google wants Apple Alive.
2. Do you REALLY think that a company that is being looked into for Anti-competitve practices in TWO continents would start suing it's competitors? What kind of world do you live in if that's the case?
We're talking about different divisions and members of the government looking at different parts of a large and complicated company. It doesn't matter what ties each division of Google has with each other, the government is looking at two different and unrelated matters. Furthermore "the government" is not one thing. It is a complex organization that doesn't operate the way seem to imply. Google is a large complex company and they can treat each division differently. Especially when we are talking about different aspects of law.
Just because Google uses search in Android or Chrome for example has nothing to do with Nortel's patent library. They aren't connected like that in the government's eyes.
Maybe the government should look into Google transferring most their profits to Bermuda via Ireland thus avoiding tax and leaving it to everyone else to fund investigations like this.
...2. Believe it or not..there exists a group of people who *gasp* don't wan't an iphone, because they believe that they should be able to control the appliance/phone/ect.. they paid for...
*facepalm*
Believe it or not there are people who believe Google's "open" marketing spiel who would be better served by a Nokia handset running Meamo/Meego.
For a simple example of Google's "openness", where's the source for Honeycomb?
For a simple example of Google's "openness", where's the source for Honeycomb?
This was resolved a while back. Google withheld the Core components of honeycomb(AKA google services) from access. The 3.0 API's were available in the SDK, as well as the 3.1 API's. Google feared another round of fragmentation which they did not want so for a limited time the entire source code was held in repository at launch to make sure the OEM's were not pillaging it.
The Galaxy Tab is soon to receive touchwiz for Honeycomb via OTA and the Asus Eeepad Transformer(the best selling Honeycomb tablet out of the bunch so far) has an ASUS skinned UI over it.
Google has already confirmed that unlike Honeycomb, ICS has gone through it's rounds and it's code will not be held in repository at launch/